Who's right, Israel or Palestine?

[Gandhi G in da house]

Jews lived in Jerusalem happily before Israel came in to being and will do so again after Israel has gone. So your case is not rested

I am sorry but if tomorrow some big power arrives at Saudi doorstep and takes away mecca and medina and sets up it's own state there . Eventually the muslims become a minority but the majority tells them don't worry , we won't throw you out . The muslims will do anything in their power to get their land back even if it takes a 1000 years and rightfully so. That is what the jews have done .

And you are forgetting that it includes Islam's third holiest site.

Anyways, this isn't going anywhere but in circles. None of those cowards aren't stepping in to finish off the cycle once and for all.

Islam's third holiest site right ?

But for jews it is the holiest city in the world . Just like Mecca and Medina is for muslims. Jews pray facing Jerusalem , Palestinians pray facing away from Jerusalem . The Jewish bible mentions Jerusalem hundreds of times while the koran not even once. No comparison

 

[Pirupiru]

Of course Palestine!

 

[lem34]

I am sorry but if tomorrow some big power arrives at Saudi doorstep and takes away mecca and medina and sets up it's own state there . Eventually the muslims become a minority but the majority tells them don't worry , we won't throw you out . The muslims will do anything in their power to get their land back even if it takes a 1000 years and rightfully so. That is what the jews have done .



Islam's third holiest site right ?

But for jews it is the holiest city in the world . Just like Mecca and Medina is for muslims. Jews pray facing Jerusalem , Palestinians pray facing away from Jerusalem . The Jewish bible mentions Jerusalem hundreds of times while the koran not even once. No comparison

Yep but Jews were happy before Zionists and Israelis arrived, Do you not comprehend that??

On every occasion you see an Israeli remember two things:

1. any criticism of Israel will lead you to being condemned by some Jews as anti Semitic

2. The myth that Israel has a right to exist is a myth

After all that do not forget the above lines guys

 

[King Solomon]

Mate it is not unfair imo to which i am entitled.


Excuse Me, But Israel Has No Right To Exist | Al Akhbar English

By Sharmine Narwani

The article does not debunk any of the point Israel makes in it's defence. Let us compare Israel with Pakistan.

Both the countries were shaped by the British Empire as with India and all countries in the middle east. Both of them involved the migration based on religion due to the perceived unfair treatment of the respective religion. Israel has a right to exist as much as Pakistan has.

One additional point of Israel is that jews had historical ties to it's homeland. Muslims of south asia had no historical ties to the land known as Pakistan.

Now coming to this point, Zionists base their claim on the Land of Israel based on four points:

- The Jewish people settled and developed the land.

- The international community granted sovereignty to Jewish people over Palestine.

- The territory was captured in defensive wars against Arabs amidst continuous harassment and insurgency by Arab terrorists against Israeli civilians.

- God promised the land to Abraham. This is also supported by Islamic holy book Koran. So, we Muslims should not have any problem with this. After all, whoever promised the middle east to Arabs? Arabs were settlers once upon a time just like Zionists. Arab fascists act like the whole middle east is some God-gifted land to them and no Jew or Christian has any right to it even if they have legitimate reasons to claim so.


Leaving out the historical aspect, let us come to the near history.

By the early 1800s, many years before the birth of Zionist movement, more than 10000 jews lived in what is today known as Israel. It only gained prominence after 1870.

The Balfour declaration by British Empire legalized uninterrupted Jewish migration to the Land of Israel. Just as the partition in south asia legitimized the Muslim migration to present day pakistan. We do recognise Pakistan's right to exist don't we? What is our problem with Israel then?

Yep but Jews were happy before Zionists and Israelis arrived, Do you not comprehend that??

Are you sure the hate is not for Jews? And they lived peacefully before Israel?

When Hitler introduced the Nuremberg racial laws in 1935, he received telegrams of congratulation from all corners of the Arab world.5Later, during the war, one of his most ardent supporters was the Mufti of Jerusalem.

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.23

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.

on November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia’s King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson: “Our hatred for the Jews dates from God’s condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet.” He added “that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty.”4

Jews were never permitted to live in Jordan. Civil Law No. 6, which governed the Jordanian-occupied West Bank, states explicitly: “Any man will be a Jordanian subject if he is not Jewish.”6

After the Six-Day War in 1967, the Israelis found public school textbooks that had been used to educate Arab children in the West Bank. They were replete with racist and hateful portrayals of Jews.7

King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, for example, said that Jews “have a certain day on which they mix the blood of non-Jews into their bread and eat it. It happened that two years ago, while I was in Paris on a visit, that the police discovered five murdered children. Their blood had been drained, and it turned out that some Jews had murdered them in order to take their blood and mix it with the bread that they eat on this day.”10

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Yep but Jews wereDo you not comprehend that?? happy before Zionists and Israelis arrived,



After all that do not forget the above lines guys

no question of not comprehending . Being happy or not is not the question . Even if Mecca and Medina were to be taken over by some foreign non-muslim power tomorrow it would rightfully belong to muslims even if they were kept happy by the ruling power and the muslims would try everything in their power to get it back . You know it as well as i do . We are not on the same page here. Lets agree to disagree and move on .

 

[Don777]

Lol, people here are thinking they are god and they have the right to decide who is right.....

 

[lem34]

The article does not debunk any of the point Israel makes in it's defence. Let us compare Israel with Pakistan.

No lets not imo that is well off topic.

Are you sure the hate is not for Jews? And they lived peacefully before Israel?

I am convinced that it is not. But then I see you falling in the same old trap that I tell people to avoid and that is the myth propagated by west and Zionists that an attack on them is anti Semitic.

I ask all never to forget:

1. Being critical of Zionism and or Israel is not anti Semitic

2. Israel has no right to exist

Lol, people here are thinking they are god and they have the right to decide who is right.....

Its a forum mate people give their opinions discuss and educate each other.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Islam's third holiest site right ?

But for jews it is the holiest city in the world . Just like Mecca and Medina is for muslims. Jews pray facing Jerusalem , Palestinians pray facing away from Jerusalem . The Jewish bible mentions Jerusalem hundreds of times while the koran not even once. No comparison

I literally loled

First of all there's no "Jewish Bible". It's called the Torah.

Secondly, in the Koran - Jerusalem is known as Al-Quds or Baitul-Maqdis ("The Noble, Sacred Place"). And it does mention the "Farthest Mosque" (AKA - Al-Aqsa Mosque), which justifies it. Furthermore, Muslims did initially face Jerusalem before conquering Mecca. Please, educate yourself other than listening to those blabbermouths like Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes. It all just leads to circular logic in the end.

And thirdly, you didn't read my last paragraph properly. I wasn't at all justifying who's right and who's wrong. On the practical perspective, they are all simply a bunch of desert savages fighting over sand and some ancient buildings. And no one is doing anything about it.

As I said, it is a cycle where no one with the power is willing to break it. Be it by force or not. This childish nonsense is going too far and too long.

 

[hussain0216]

Israel is an abomination, a travesty a cancer that has to be cut out of the middle east

In the middle ages it took 100 years for musilims to get together and destroy the crusaders, israel too will eventually be nothing more rhen a foot note in history

It is important that muslims as a group hate and dispise the israeli entity, reject it outright

There are 1.6 million muslims in israel, 1.6 million in gaza & another 2.5 million in the west bank they make 50% of the areas population with a larger population growth rate

With the support of muslims everywhere they will keep the fight going and never give israel peace, until justice is ours and the foreigh non middle eastern jews are expelled

 

[poseidon]

what sort of retarded question is this? of course Iran is right.

Loooool

 

[sarthak]

Israel is an abomination, a travesty a cancer that has to be cut out of the middle east

In the middle ages it took 100 years for musilims to get together and destroy the crusaders, israel too will eventually be nothing more rhen a foot note in history

It is important that muslims as a group hate and dispise the israeli entity, reject it outright

There are 1.6 million muslims in israel, 1.6 million in gaza & another 2.5 million in the west bank they make 50% of the areas population with a larger population growth rate

With the support of muslims everywhere they will keep the fight going and never give israel peace, until justice is ours and the foreigh non middle eastern jews are expelled

You think US , Russia and EU won't intervene if they see Israel's in trouble? The only reason these countries don't directly intervene is because no arab countries directly intervene in the israel - palestine conflict ie. no arab country is at formal war with Israel. The day all muslim countries form some sort of a group to attack Israel , US , Russia and EU will provide full support to Israel. You are foolish if you think you can counter the joint might of these countries. Hell , even India might join them.

 

[seethru]

Israel is an abomination, a travesty a cancer that has to be cut out of the middle east

In the middle ages it took 100 years for musilims to get together and destroy the crusaders, israel too will eventually be nothing more rhen a foot note in history

It is important that muslims as a group hate and dispise the israeli entity, reject it outright

There are 1.6 million muslims in israel, 1.6 million in gaza & another 2.5 million in the west bank they make 50% of the areas population with a larger population growth rate

With the support of muslims everywhere they will keep the fight going and never give israel peace, until justice is ours and the foreigh non middle eastern jews are expelled

Everything is scripted or what? All Muslims(the zealous one) use the same words. Same strategy(out breeding the people of other religions), same consistent hate filled rants with utmost disregard for facts.

 

[PteX]

I literally loled

First of all there's no "Jewish Bible". It's called the Torah.

Secondly, in the Koran - Jerusalem is known as Al-Quds or Baitul-Maqdis ("The Noble, Sacred Place"). And it does mention the "Farthest Mosque" (AKA - Al-Aqsa Mosque), which justifies it. Furthermore, Muslims did initially face Jerusalem before conquering Mecca. Please, educate yourself other than listening to those blabbermouths like Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes. It all just leads to circular logic in the end.

And thirdly, you didn't read my last paragraph properly. I wasn't at all justifying who's right and who's wrong. On the practical perspective, they are all simply a bunch of desert savages fighting over sand and some ancient buildings. And no one is doing anything about it.

As I said, it is a cycle where no one with the power is willing to break it. Be it by force or not. This childish nonsense is going too far and too long.

"desert savages" coming from a Bangladeshi... Surely, you jest.

Jerusalem will remain under Israeli sovereign rule till the end of time. To all the people who think otherwise, may your G-d have pity on your souls.

 

[Zabaniyah]

"desert savages" coming from a Bangladeshi... Surely, you jest.

How is being Bangladeshi related to the scenario?

We don't bomb civilians from F-16s, or blow up people packed in buses. I'd say, it's better to be Bangladeshi than being in some freaking war-zone

Jerusalem will remain under Israeli sovereign rule till the end of time. To all the people who think otherwise, may your G-d have pity on your souls.

Nah...it's the other way around. For you and the Palestinians mind you

You really need it And please, use some common sense in the future generations other than mind-blowing rage incited by religion/politics.

 

[punjabimunda]

isreal is a great country, we r behind isreal,no matter what. muslims have always hated other communities. isreal is one that is surviving in the most difficult locations in the world. india is now a bigger power and will always support isreal whenever it wants.