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Who Will Replace AgustaWestland As India’s VVIP Helicopter Supplier?

Monday, January 27, 2014

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With the suspension of the AgustaWestland VVIP helicopter deal the status of the Indian Air Force’s VVIP chopper procurement has left contenders vying to fulfill India’s requirement.



Some reports say that the Indian Air Force now plans to use Russian Mi-17 helicopters that, ironically were dropped from competition in 2006, to ferry VVIPs. Rosoboronexport was eliminated because the company did not agree to sign the integrity clause with the IAF.

However, in 2008, India ordered 80 Mi-17 V5 transport helicopters from Russia worth $1.2 billion which are expected to be delivered this year with a follow-on clause to buy 59 additional helicopters worth $884 million.



While the IAF makes do with the Mi-17, the Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey has gained considerable interest as a possible replacement to the as the AW101.



“The Bell Boeing team continues to field interest from various international governments and is poised to support the U.S. government in foreign military sales of the V-22 Osprey.


Who Will Replace AgustaWestland As India’s VVIP Helicopter Supplier?
 
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Who Will Replace AgustaWestland As India’s VVIP Helicopter Supplier?

Monday, January 27, 2014

aw-101-38_1390826722.jpg



With the suspension of the AgustaWestland VVIP helicopter deal the status of the Indian Air Force’s VVIP chopper procurement has left contenders vying to fulfill India’s requirement.



Some reports say that the Indian Air Force now plans to use Russian Mi-17 helicopters that, ironically were dropped from competition in 2006, to ferry VVIPs. Rosoboronexport was eliminated because the company did not agree to sign the integrity clause with the IAF.

However, in 2008, India ordered 80 Mi-17 V5 transport helicopters from Russia worth $1.2 billion which are expected to be delivered this year with a follow-on clause to buy 59 additional helicopters worth $884 million.



While the IAF makes do with the Mi-17, the Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey has gained considerable interest as a possible replacement to the as the AW101.



“The Bell Boeing team continues to field interest from various international governments and is poised to support the U.S. government in foreign military sales of the V-22 Osprey.


Who Will Replace AgustaWestland As India’s VVIP Helicopter Supplier?

I think this news article relates here, as HAL is already developing LUH they can surely go for VVIP Helos, replacing AgustaWestland

Fraud Charges May Scuttle Indian Helo | Defense News | defensenews.com

NEW DELHI
The Indian Ministry of Defence has ordered state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) to accelerate development of its indigenous Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) program because fraud charges may derail the procurement of 197 helos from overseas, said an MoD source.

While no decision has yet been taken on canceling the 2009 tender, in which Eurocopter (Now Airbus Helicopters) and Kamov of Russia are competing, the source said, India’s anti-fraud agency, the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), formally leveled charges against a serving Indian Army officer for alleged involvement in manipulating the trial report of the LUH procurement. Charges were made last week.

The officer’s alleged involvement came to light last year when an investigating team traveled to Italy to probe alleged corrupt practices by AgustaWestland to win a contract to provide 12 AW101 helicopters. The team discovered a document in which the Indian Army officer had allegedly offered AgustaWestland to turn the LUH contract in their favor. However, AgustaWestland was eliminated in the first round of procurement in the technical evaluation stage.

Eurocopter and Kamov executives were unavailable for comments.

Politics is also playing a role because general elections are slotted for May and the ruling United Progressive Alliance government will not want to be viewed as ignoring corruption, said Nitin Mehta, new Delhi based defense analyst.

The $500 million LUH tender was issued in 2009 to Eurocopter for its Fennec AS550 C3 helicopter, to AgustaWestland for the AW119 and Kamov for the 226T helicopter.

The MoD source said that if the tender is canceled, the order for 197 helicopters will be given to HAL, which is developing an LUH for the Indian Army and Air Force.

HAL’s LUH, however, is still in initial development and the Army urgently needs the aircraft to ferry troops and material to battlefields at high altitudes in northern India bordering Pakistan and China. Currently, the Army and Air Force are using Cheetah and Chetak helicopters license-produced by HAL for logistic support at altitudes of more than 20,000 feet, where the military needs to operate at the Siachen glacier and the upper reaches of the Himalayas bordering China.

The Cheetahs and Chetaks have outlived their life expectancy and the Army and Air Force have been demanding replacements for more than a decade.

An Army official said cancellation of the LUH tender would be a severe blow to Army logistics operations, but added that HAL’s record in delivering equipment is unsatisfactory and should not be counted on as the sole supplier of LUH resources. The LUH should be procured as quickly as possible on a government-to-government basis if the tender is canceled, the official said.

Status of LUH

HAL officials said they will achieve initial operational clearance of the LUH by the end of 2015 and begin serial production by mid-2017. A contract for 187 light utility helicopters is expected from MoD by the end of the month, a HAL official said, and the official claimed the company’s LUH would be 10 percent cheaper than that of Eurocopter or Kamov.

The single-engine LUH would be powered by a French-made Turbomecca engine. Of those 187 helicopters, 127 would go to the Army and 61 for the Air Force.

“The development of LUH has progressed with the completion of three milestones, including the configuration freeze, design freeze, and transmission and rotor design. And currently, the detail design and analysis milestone and ground test vehicle run milestones are in progress,” said an official of HAL.

The helicopters will be used for multiple missions for both services, including reconnaissance and surveillance; directing artillery fire; transporting small numbers of troops; nuclear, biological and chemical monitoring; casualty evacuation; and airborne forward air control.

LUH Tender

If canceled, this would mark the second time the program was halted. In 2007, Eurocopter, with its Fennec helicopter, was on the verge of being declared the winner when US-based Bell Helicopters complained to the MoD about a lack of transparency in the procurement process and that tender was canceled in 2008.

In the recent competition, an Army source said there have been issues with the trials of the two competitors. The Airbus Helicopters candidate has had some problems operating at high altitudes, and the Army wants it to be able to accommodate a second stretcher, which will require structural modifications, added the source.

Kamov has offered a choice of two Western engines, but the engines will require re-certification.
 
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I think this news article relates here, as HAL is already developing LUH they can surely go for VVIP Helos, replacing AgustaWestland

Fraud Charges May Scuttle Indian Helo | Defense News | defensenews.com

NEW DELHI
The Indian Ministry of Defence has ordered state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) to accelerate development of its indigenous Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) program because fraud charges may derail the procurement of 197 helos from overseas, said an MoD source.

While no decision has yet been taken on canceling the 2009 tender, in which Eurocopter (Now Airbus Helicopters) and Kamov of Russia are competing, the source said, India’s anti-fraud agency, the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), formally leveled charges against a serving Indian Army officer for alleged involvement in manipulating the trial report of the LUH procurement. Charges were made last week.

The officer’s alleged involvement came to light last year when an investigating team traveled to Italy to probe alleged corrupt practices by AgustaWestland to win a contract to provide 12 AW101 helicopters. The team discovered a document in which the Indian Army officer had allegedly offered AgustaWestland to turn the LUH contract in their favor. However, AgustaWestland was eliminated in the first round of procurement in the technical evaluation stage.

Eurocopter and Kamov executives were unavailable for comments.

Politics is also playing a role because general elections are slotted for May and the ruling United Progressive Alliance government will not want to be viewed as ignoring corruption, said Nitin Mehta, new Delhi based defense analyst.

The $500 million LUH tender was issued in 2009 to Eurocopter for its Fennec AS550 C3 helicopter, to AgustaWestland for the AW119 and Kamov for the 226T helicopter.

The MoD source said that if the tender is canceled, the order for 197 helicopters will be given to HAL, which is developing an LUH for the Indian Army and Air Force.

HAL’s LUH, however, is still in initial development and the Army urgently needs the aircraft to ferry troops and material to battlefields at high altitudes in northern India bordering Pakistan and China. Currently, the Army and Air Force are using Cheetah and Chetak helicopters license-produced by HAL for logistic support at altitudes of more than 20,000 feet, where the military needs to operate at the Siachen glacier and the upper reaches of the Himalayas bordering China.

The Cheetahs and Chetaks have outlived their life expectancy and the Army and Air Force have been demanding replacements for more than a decade.

An Army official said cancellation of the LUH tender would be a severe blow to Army logistics operations, but added that HAL’s record in delivering equipment is unsatisfactory and should not be counted on as the sole supplier of LUH resources. The LUH should be procured as quickly as possible on a government-to-government basis if the tender is canceled, the official said.

Status of LUH

HAL officials said they will achieve initial operational clearance of the LUH by the end of 2015 and begin serial production by mid-2017. A contract for 187 light utility helicopters is expected from MoD by the end of the month, a HAL official said, and the official claimed the company’s LUH would be 10 percent cheaper than that of Eurocopter or Kamov.

The single-engine LUH would be powered by a French-made Turbomecca engine. Of those 187 helicopters, 127 would go to the Army and 61 for the Air Force.

“The development of LUH has progressed with the completion of three milestones, including the configuration freeze, design freeze, and transmission and rotor design. And currently, the detail design and analysis milestone and ground test vehicle run milestones are in progress,” said an official of HAL.

The helicopters will be used for multiple missions for both services, including reconnaissance and surveillance; directing artillery fire; transporting small numbers of troops; nuclear, biological and chemical monitoring; casualty evacuation; and airborne forward air control.

LUH Tender

If canceled, this would mark the second time the program was halted. In 2007, Eurocopter, with its Fennec helicopter, was on the verge of being declared the winner when US-based Bell Helicopters complained to the MoD about a lack of transparency in the procurement process and that tender was canceled in 2008.

In the recent competition, an Army source said there have been issues with the trials of the two competitors. The Airbus Helicopters candidate has had some problems operating at high altitudes, and the Army wants it to be able to accommodate a second stretcher, which will require structural modifications, added the source.

Kamov has offered a choice of two Western engines, but the engines will require re-certification.

LUH is a single engine helicopter for utility roles. Chopper must be 10 ton or over category.

I think this news article relates here, as HAL is already developing LUH they can surely go for VVIP Helos, replacing AgustaWestland

Fraud Charges May Scuttle Indian Helo | Defense News | defensenews.com

NEW DELHI
The Indian Ministry of Defence has ordered state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) to accelerate development of its indigenous Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) program because fraud charges may derail the procurement of 197 helos from overseas, said an MoD source.

While no decision has yet been taken on canceling the 2009 tender, in which Eurocopter (Now Airbus Helicopters) and Kamov of Russia are competing, the source said, India’s anti-fraud agency, the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), formally leveled charges against a serving Indian Army officer for alleged involvement in manipulating the trial report of the LUH procurement. Charges were made last week.

The officer’s alleged involvement came to light last year when an investigating team traveled to Italy to probe alleged corrupt practices by AgustaWestland to win a contract to provide 12 AW101 helicopters. The team discovered a document in which the Indian Army officer had allegedly offered AgustaWestland to turn the LUH contract in their favor. However, AgustaWestland was eliminated in the first round of procurement in the technical evaluation stage.

Eurocopter and Kamov executives were unavailable for comments.

Politics is also playing a role because general elections are slotted for May and the ruling United Progressive Alliance government will not want to be viewed as ignoring corruption, said Nitin Mehta, new Delhi based defense analyst.

The $500 million LUH tender was issued in 2009 to Eurocopter for its Fennec AS550 C3 helicopter, to AgustaWestland for the AW119 and Kamov for the 226T helicopter.

The MoD source said that if the tender is canceled, the order for 197 helicopters will be given to HAL, which is developing an LUH for the Indian Army and Air Force.

HAL’s LUH, however, is still in initial development and the Army urgently needs the aircraft to ferry troops and material to battlefields at high altitudes in northern India bordering Pakistan and China. Currently, the Army and Air Force are using Cheetah and Chetak helicopters license-produced by HAL for logistic support at altitudes of more than 20,000 feet, where the military needs to operate at the Siachen glacier and the upper reaches of the Himalayas bordering China.

The Cheetahs and Chetaks have outlived their life expectancy and the Army and Air Force have been demanding replacements for more than a decade.

An Army official said cancellation of the LUH tender would be a severe blow to Army logistics operations, but added that HAL’s record in delivering equipment is unsatisfactory and should not be counted on as the sole supplier of LUH resources. The LUH should be procured as quickly as possible on a government-to-government basis if the tender is canceled, the official said.

Status of LUH

HAL officials said they will achieve initial operational clearance of the LUH by the end of 2015 and begin serial production by mid-2017. A contract for 187 light utility helicopters is expected from MoD by the end of the month, a HAL official said, and the official claimed the company’s LUH would be 10 percent cheaper than that of Eurocopter or Kamov.

The single-engine LUH would be powered by a French-made Turbomecca engine. Of those 187 helicopters, 127 would go to the Army and 61 for the Air Force.

“The development of LUH has progressed with the completion of three milestones, including the configuration freeze, design freeze, and transmission and rotor design. And currently, the detail design and analysis milestone and ground test vehicle run milestones are in progress,” said an official of HAL.

The helicopters will be used for multiple missions for both services, including reconnaissance and surveillance; directing artillery fire; transporting small numbers of troops; nuclear, biological and chemical monitoring; casualty evacuation; and airborne forward air control.

LUH Tender

If canceled, this would mark the second time the program was halted. In 2007, Eurocopter, with its Fennec helicopter, was on the verge of being declared the winner when US-based Bell Helicopters complained to the MoD about a lack of transparency in the procurement process and that tender was canceled in 2008.

In the recent competition, an Army source said there have been issues with the trials of the two competitors. The Airbus Helicopters candidate has had some problems operating at high altitudes, and the Army wants it to be able to accommodate a second stretcher, which will require structural modifications, added the source.

Kamov has offered a choice of two Western engines, but the engines will require re-certification.

LUH is a single engine helicopter for utility roles. Chopper must be 10 ton or over category.
 
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Time to speed up HAL Medium Lift Helicopter ..

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I think the S-92 is looking like a serious contender now. The MI-17-V5 doesn't have the required safety features for a Head of State transport. In the help contest itself it had been the S-92 and AW-101 who went head to head so the S-92 is the only viable candidate really and it will come through FMS so no chance of any graft allegations scuttling the entire deal plus they can be delivered quickly. The cherry on top is that much of the production work can be done in India as TATA is making the cabins for S-92s. Ticks all the boxes.


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V-22 isn't a serious contender- too large and impractical for this role.
 
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LUH is a single engine helicopter for utility roles. Chopper must be 10 ton or over category.

I know dear .... I tried to point out the possibility of HAL taking a new challenge ..... as it posses degree of home grown technologies .....
 
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The V-22 would be a good replacement, along with the P-8s.
 
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The V-22 would be a good replacement, along with the P-8s.
V-22 for VVIP will be a terrible choice, it is way too big, and will be too expensive to operate just for VVIP transportation. Though for the army to transport troops quickly to the battlefield it would be a good choice.
 
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V-22 for VVIP will be a terrible choice, it is way too big, and will be too expensive to operate just for VVIP transportation. Though for the army to transport troops quickly to the battlefield it would be a good choice.
The Indians know very well what to pick though I was kinda disappoint to see the new sub program behind the schedule, same goes with the Rafale as well as the second Indian AC.
 
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The Indians know very well what to pick though I was kinda disappoint to see the new sub program behind the schedule, same goes with the Rafale as well as the second Indian AC.
Not really sure about the Sub program, that thing has been delayed for ages it seems, as for Rafale they have to sign the contract before the end of this fiscal year or before the election. Otherwise the deal will go south, and with the tone of MOD in the recent press release it seems it will be signed within the next two months. Not sure what you meant for the second Indian AC though.
 
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Not really sure about the Sub program, that thing has been delayed for ages it seems, as for Rafale they have to sign the contract before the end of this fiscal year or before the election. Otherwise the deal will go south, and with the tone of MOD in the recent press release it seems it will be signed within the next two months. Not sure what you meant for the second Indian AC though.

I was referring to the second yet-to-be constrcured aircraft carrier.
 
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I was referring to the second yet-to-be constrcured aircraft carrier.
That will start when the work on the first Indian AC is finished. Cochin Shipyard is making both the Indian AC's.

That apart @Yzd Khalifa , there really is no need for a third AC fast. India barely has enough escort ships to have 2 CBG's - one for the Russian AC and one Indian.

The warship production is being carried out at a decent pace. However we lack massively in subs. Very delayed program.
 
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That will start when the work on the first Indian AC is finished. Cochin Shipyard is making both the Indian AC's.

That apart @Yzd Khalifa , there really is no need for a third AC fast. India barely has enough escort ships to have 2 CBG's - one for the Russian AC and one Indian.

The warship production is being carried out at a decent pace. However we lack massively in subs. Very delayed program.


Yeah your sub program is way behind the schedule ._.
 
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Yeah your sub program is way behind the schedule ._.
To my mind, that is the only aspect where Indian Navy is majorly lagging.

Though hopefully the new Govt that takes office in June will rectify the situation fast.
 
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