Who Was The Best Fighter Pilot Ever ?

[Chogy]

With the possible exception of Marseille, I don't believe the extreme high scoring German Aces were necessarily so vastly superior to allied pilots; it was their length of service and target-rich environment that allowed them to rack up those enormous tallies, along with their talent.

If you have thousands of pilots that start flying for years on end, some of them will survive the whole war, and of those, a few will rack up 200, 300 kills using a stalk and shoot methodology that says more about visual acuity, stealthy maneuvering, and delivering the hammer blow, rather than raw stick and rudder skills.

It really is an impossible question to answer. Would Boyd take Hartmann with both in F-100's? Probably. Train Richtofen in an F-16, would he be better than the many superb pilots in that platform?

I admire the WW1 pilots most of all, because they literally invented an art form, the aerial ballet that is BFM. Most died - those that survived took what they knew, added to it, and passed it on to new guys.

IMO, the very best pilots are those that can simultaneously fight their own opponent, and also continue to aid/control other members of his flight with his superior situational awareness - and get them all home again. I have seen superb pilots who never progressed much beyond wingman, because they lacked this multitasking ability. How can you quantify all of these intangibles? It is very difficult.

 

[shr_bwp]

READ THE PAKISTAN AIR FORCE HISTORY AND TRY TO GET AERIAL PHOTO REALS FROM THE LIABRARY OF CONGRESS, THEY HAVE A TRUNK FULL OF CINE AS WELL AS THE ONES SHOT BY MEDIA, I KNOW BECAUSE I FLEW THE TRUNK FULL OF FILMS TO AQYAB, BURMA IN A AGRO AVIATION AIRCRAFT AFTER THE WAR IN 1971.
SHAMS

Sir:

a) Thank you.

b) You have not stated so, but you seem to be suggesting that the United States somehow ended up with the trunk - is that correct?
If so, knowing a little bit of American law, would that material not be classified as secret? There are of course laws that make secret material available, but we need to be sure that the material is with the US Archives. How and what evidence can we have that the US has the material?

c) According to AM Dilawar Hussain, because of the hurried nature of the departure of the pilots, a trunk full of pilot logs etc. was left behind in Dacca. Does this mean that there were at least two - one with you and the other left behind?

 

[emotionless_teenage]

Turkey and Greek air force got some of the best pilot around

thanks to more than half a decade of standoff that is(and thus their F-16 clocked one of the longest flight hour ever)

 

[IndianArmy]

Nirmal Jit Singh Sekhon, Under heavy fire, he was able to take off in his Gnat and engage the Sabres,In the ensuing air battle, Sekhon scored a direct hit on one Sabre,and set another ablaze,The four remaining Sabres pressed the attack, and after a lengthy dog-fight at tree-top level, Sekhon's aircraft was hit, and he was killed. The remaining Pakistani aircraft returned to Pakistan without pressing the attack.....His skill was later praised in an article by Salim Baig Mirza, the pilot who shot him down

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

I agree wholeheartedly with choggy,the germans themselves weren't very superior to the british or americans.
Another reason for their massive tallies was the difference in doctrine.Whereas allied squadrons functioned as a team mostly concentrating on mass,german squadrons and schwarms usually revolved around the 'experten' or the aces with the others supporting them.This lead to large kills for certain german pilots,also german pilots flew until they were killed,allied pilots were usually promoted and left field duties to share their experiences.
On the other hand luftwaffe kill confirmations were far more stringent than the allies.

 

[toppys]

Check out Rocks drift battle, One of the greatest battles ever took place year 1879. We were in the same boat in 1971 in BD PAF vs IAF

The British defenders withstood the assault, no thanks to their two incompetent officers. Following the withdrawal of the Zulus, the British defenders searched the battle field and butchered 500 wounded Zulus found lying there. A telling contrast to the humanitarian and respectful treatment of the British dead by the Zulus at the Battle of Isandhlwana. Back in England Parliament, under pressure from Queen Victoria reported the skirmish as a major British victory, and awarded eleven Victoria Cross medals, most inappropriately, to the defenders based upon their backgrounds, rather than their actions at the skirmish

 

[SEAL]

I am the real Shams, i now live in Oklahoma USA i changed my name to Shams a.chohaan ( from Mohammad Shamsul Haq ) 40 years and our records are still confusing. You are all invited to contact me either here or at schohaan@yahoo. Com to verify any misquotes in the blogs, which seem plenty.
I was, I am and Inshallah will always remain the best fighter Pilot the PAF ever produced.
Thanks
shams (sj)

Is this really you or someone else? anyway 3 kills in a single day is good record.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

i don't know why there is no vote for M.M Alam...o man he destoryed 5 IAF crafts in just 30 seconds which is still an unbreakable record.

is that claim confirmed by independent sources? where did the shot down planes fall? do the Indians acknowledge that? I am not questioning this achievement but I only see some sketchy Pakistani claims thats all

help me here

 

[shr_bwp]

Nirmal Jit Singh Sekhon, Under heavy fire, he was able to take off in his Gnat and engage the Sabres,In the ensuing air battle, Sekhon scored a direct hit on one Sabre,and set another ablaze,The four remaining Sabres pressed the attack, and after a lengthy dog-fight at tree-top level, Sekhon's aircraft was hit, and he was killed. The remaining Pakistani aircraft returned to Pakistan without pressing the attack.....His skill was later praised in an article by Salim Baig Mirza, the pilot who shot him down

Direct hit and setting ablaze. Two kills by the fellow before being shot down.

Too bad that AC Kaiser Tufail is just outrightly wrong here:

Aeronaut: A Hard Nut to Crack

"Contrary to IAF’s citation for Sekhon’s award, none of the Sabres was hit during the dogfight. " - too bad, such 'outrageous' lies by the good AC.

Of course, do not forget to quote him when he is right about MM Alam's kills here:

Aeronaut: Speed Shooting Classic

Whatever suits you, right?

 

[shr_bwp]

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help me here

Aeronaut: Speed Shooting Classic

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Pardon me sir, but isn't that a bit rude. If I were a Pilot,I would have rather wished my successors to be more capable than me so that the tradition of excellence lives on. Somethings are more important than records, I wish every coming pilot to be better than the best pilot like you.

dont feed the troll.. just report him

 

[Irfan Baloch]

THANK U SIR FOR THE SERVICES U HAvE RENDERED FOR THE MOTHERLAND... WE SALUTE U AND OTHER HEROES LIKE U.......But saying tht wat MM Alam did was a piece of cake isnt exactly right either..... anyways welcome and enjoy ur stay.... we have PAF heroes frm 65 and 71 on PDF ...Like Sir Murad K and others....
God bless u and our other heroes...Ameen.

.. face plamn of the century

ahh you guilble little creature..
wake up he is a troll

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

Srfraz rafiqui................................................................................................................................................................................................................. i have no words other than simply the best......

 

[Areesh]

Direct hit and setting ablaze. Two kills by the fellow before being shot down.

Too bad that AC Kaiser Tufail is just outrightly wrong here:

Aeronaut: A Hard Nut to Crack

"Contrary to IAF’s citation for Sekhon’s award, none of the Sabres was hit during the dogfight. " - too bad, such 'outrageous' lies by the good AC.

Of course, do not forget to quote him when he is right about MM Alam's kills here:

Aeronaut: Speed Shooting Classic

Whatever suits you, right?

I was also about to say the same thing. I also read that all six AC's came home safely.

 

[MastanKhan]

Srfraz rafiqui................................................................................................................................................................................................................. i have no words other than simply the best......

Sir,

Rafiqui was shot down by and average indian pilot---.

The indian pilot made the move to get behind Rafiqui and shot him----if Rafiqui was that great---it would not have happened.

It is stated that Rafiqui's guns got jammed---so instead of saving his plane and a million dollar pilot----he chose to hang around faking tail chases---.

He broke the cardinal rule----stayed in the battlefield when his aircraft was not battle worthy---.

You can't build a battleship in the middle of a short war---you cannot produce a superstar pilot in two weeks.

I want to know what did he get out of it by hanging around----after his guns jammed---he was pretty much neutralized within 30 seconds maybe 45. So---what did he do?