Who starts the Indo- Pak cross border firing first? The answer...

[Bratva]

LOL analyst , my foot. More like some juvenile shriller. What proof have you shown to your claims? There is no proof, furthermore apart from it being same old pakistani delusional and conspiratorial claims. Nobody outside your circles believes in any of it. Not a single country outside you guys proscribe to any of your claims. What we have here is the same old wishful thinking from a pakistani. Do you get that? To have some credibility to your claims, you must surely have other countries, U.N someone who says " Hey India is supporting terrorism". You not got nothing , zip, zilch - nada, bro.

We train Afghans too, does that mean we are supporting terrorism in Pakistan?

Siachen was a free for all, no man's land. It was Pakistan that was buying up military equipment for that altitude that tipped off India. You got caught in trying to take it first and outsmarted by the Indians.

So we are back to circualr and shifting arguments here. Makeup your mind, what is it, Pakistan has no credibility so Nobody would take Pakistan claims serious or Pakistan is blindly accusing India for fun ?

 

[A.M.]

An expected response when cornered. I'm sure I will read many such well thought responses in this thread. I have confirmed to my best of knowledge that India is now supporting the Baluchistan freedom movement, why would an "Indian" ever do that? But since most you guys here have the attention span of a gnat. You only homed in on other parts.

When was the last time this happened? Beheading? You smoking that good stuff from Colorado again?

"3. Don't forget the often ambush on indian patrols, killing and beheading of their soldiers. One never hears of any done on Pakistan patrols as first action."

 

[Bratva]

Us_Stat_Dept. General Raheel Sharif and his 20 LT.GEN accused India and it's RAW of being involved in Pakistan. Do you have as much info as those 21 generals has or do you have combined IQ of all those 21 Generals which makes you say so India is not involved in spreading terrorism in Pakistan ?

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Read my post again which says how Indian Military intelligence units are spreading terror in pakistan .

Unless you are going to debate rationally and factually, any nonsense that is going to comeout of your mouth would rated negative

I read your post, and I asked you- who buys theses conspiratorial claims other than folks in your circles? Stop parroting the infamous conspiracies from your side. Nobody in the world believes your claims for a reason. Alternatively, Pakistan is called and recognized as supporting terrorist groups into India.

Whose buys the conspiracies you are peddling my man? Where is your credibility in the international arena?

I could care less about a negative rating from a petulant child on a conspiratorial rampage and power trip here

When was the last time this happened? Beheading? You smoking that good stuff from Colorado again?

"3. Don't forget the often ambush on indian patrols, killing and beheading of their soldiers. One never hears of any done on Pakistan patrols as first action."

Indian soldier 'beheaded by Pakistan troops’ as Kashmir dispute escalates - Telegraph

 

[Bratva]

I read your post, and I asked you- who buys theses conspiratorial claims other folks in your circles? Stop parroting the infamous conspiracies from your side. Nobody in the world believes your claims for a reason. Alternatively, Pakistan is called and recognized as supporting terrorist groups into India.

Whose buys the conspiracies you are peddling my man? Where is your credibility in the international arena?

Either I'm brain dead or either you have forgot to take your medicines. I mean even a 5 year old child knows that Whatever I presented is hard facts.

Okay, before we proceed. I want you to proof each and link I posted as conspiracy theory. If you can't, then die in shame for peddling so much BS in one thread. Let's began

 

[Jaanbaz]

Where as in Pakistan it will be total chaos with radicals try to take control of Pakistan in many parts of the country .

A war with India would unite all Pakistanis regardless of their religion, Sect or ethnicity. Trust me you being an Indian has never been to Pakistan. We fight each other, we laugh at each other but for outsiders it will be a different ball game.

I understand that many of you Indians think that Baluchis love Indians, I'm sorry to break this news to you most of Baluch people even the pro Independence ones don't give a damn about Indians. Have many Baluch family friends here in UK, some of them are not Pro Pakistan but they are not big fans of India, in fact they look down on Indians as inferiors lol.

 

[Bratva]

I read your post, and I asked you- who buys theses conspiratorial claims other folks in your circles? Stop parroting the infamous conspiracies from your side. Nobody in the world believes your claims for a reason. Alternatively, Pakistan is called and recognized as supporting terrorist groups into India.

Whose buys the conspiracies you are peddling my man? Where is your credibility in the international arena?

I could care less about a negative rating from a petulant child on a conspiratorial rampage and power trip here



Indian soldier 'beheaded by Pakistan troops’ as Kashmir dispute escalates - Telegraph

And what is laughable, Now you are presenting unverified, accusation, yet to be proven conspiracy theory as a hard fact. Why are you such a hypocrite, is it in your genes ?

I read your post, and I asked you- who buys theses conspiratorial claims other than folks in your circles? Stop parroting the infamous conspiracies from your side. Nobody in the world believes your claims for a reason. Alternatively, Pakistan is called and recognized as supporting terrorist groups into India.

Whose buys the conspiracies you are peddling my man? Where is your credibility in the international arena?

I could care less about a negative rating from a petulant child on a conspiratorial rampage and power trip here



Indian soldier 'beheaded by Pakistan troops’ as Kashmir dispute escalates - Telegraph

The way you tagged an administrator and cried over a negative rating proved how much of a attention who.re you are. Man up and admit things instead of hiding behind the veil of hypocrisy

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Either I'm brain dead or either you have forgot to take your medicines. I mean even a 5 year old child knows that Whatever I presented is hard facts.

Okay, before we proceed. I want you to proof each and link I posted as conspiracy theory. If you can't, then die in shame for peddling so much BS in one thread. Let's began

Hard facts to whom? to pakistanis by pakistanis?

A hard fact would be recognized by the world , like the hard fact of you guys supporting terror groups is recognized by them

 

[Bratva]

Hard facts to whom? to pakistanis by pakistanis?

A hard fact would be recognized by the world , like the hard fact of you guys supporting terror groups is recognized by them

Hard facts from Indian newspapers and affidavits given in Indian supreme court by Indian military intelligence.

And why are you engaging in circular and shifting argument. Are you that retard or ignorant that you can't differentiate the news coming from Pakistan or from Indian ?

Hard facts to whom? to pakistanis by pakistanis?

A hard fact would be recognized by the world , like the hard fact of you guys supporting terror groups is recognized by them

Which terror groups. List one by one.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

And what is laughable, Now you are presenting unverified, accusation, yet to be proven conspiracy theory as a hard fact. Why are you such a hypocrite, is it in your genes ?



The way you tagged an administrator and cried over a negative rating proved how much of a attention who.re you are. Man up and admit things instead of hiding behind the veil of hypocrisy

I tagged him because @Horus claims he hates guys who abuse their mod powers. I invite you give me 10 more ratings, petulant child.

I never presented my post as facts. I presented it as personal chat I had and what came out of it. Unlike you, supposedly an connoisseur of conspiracies, I clearly stated the " source" behind of my post

 

[Umair Nawaz]

And your point being? other than a remarkable talent of copy pasting some credible articles among mostly conspiratorial ones?

As an claimed analyst here- why don't you learn to give us your analysis

What he is doing is that he is providing a source/reference to this saying, which is a standard procedure when u engage in internet forums, and the most important thing is that they are their own media reports, he hasnt even bothered to show u our media reports,

AND OLDMAN TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR U AND YR ASIA PIVOT STRATEGY.

 

[Bratva]

I tagged him because @Horus claims he hates guys who abuse their mod powers. I invite you give me 10 more ratings, petulant child.

I never presented my post as facts. I presented it as personal chat I had and what came out of it. Unlike you, supposedly an connoisseur of conspiracies, I clearly stated the " source" behind of my post

If you are going to quote this post, keep that in mind, whatever I have presented. You have refuted each and everything as conspiracy theory If not, then as per forum rules, Post of no value/troll post should be rated negative.

Running in circles with tail in b/w your legs in a debate is a sign of weakness.

 

[That Guy]

I thought I would gather up all the angry and personal attacks said about me in one thread, and say I understand why you would be upset. Each and everyone of you had the same reaction of" these are are lies!", when Pakistan was then accused of housing Osama, helping Haqqanis against american soldiers, housing the Taliban, Kargil, 26/11, evidence of supporting terror groups against various countries etc. So I get this initial and similar reaction.

Personal attack? No, I merely pointed out that this thread of yours is ridiculous. It's not only one sided, manipulative, it's also overly simplistic, and even down right filled with lies.

You also seem to have a knack of placing accusations that you cannot prove. You don't know me, fool, so don't assume you knew my reactions of any of the events you mentioned.

Not only do you pretend to be something you're not, you take it to the extreme.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Which terror groups. List one by one.

lol you serious or have been living in box. 90% of them are military and ISI backed

• Sectarian: Religiously motivated groups such as the Sunni Sipah-e-Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the Shia Tehrik-e-Jafria that are engaged in violence within Pakistan
• Anti-Indian: Groups focused on the Kashmir dispute that operate with the alleged support of the Pakistani military and the intelligence agency Inter-Services Intelligence(ISI), such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, and Harakat ul-Mujahadeen
• Afghan Taliban: The original Taliban movement and especially its Kandahari leadership centered around Mullah Mohammad Omar, believed to be based in Quetta
• Al-Qaeda and its affiliates: The global jihadist organization founded by Osama bin Laden and led by Ayman al-Zawahiri

Domestic Organisations

1. Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)
   
   
2. Lashkar-e-Omar (LeO)
   
   
3. Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP)
   
   
4. Tehreek-e-Jaferia Pakistan (TJP)
   
   
5. Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi(TNSM)
   
   
6. Lashkar-eJhangvi (LeJ)
   
   
7. Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP)
   
   
8. Jamaat-ul-Fuqra
   
   
9. Nadeem Commando
   
   
10. Popular Front for Armed Resistance
    
    
11. Muslim United Army
    
    
12. Harkat-ul-Mujahideen Al-alami(HuMA)

Trans-national Organisations

1. Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM)
   
   
2. Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA, presently known asHarkat-ul Mujahideen)
   
   
3. Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT)
   
   
4. Jaish-e-Mohammad Mujahideen E-Tanzeem(JeM)
   
   
5. Harkat-ul Mujahideen(HuM, previously known as Harkat-ul-Ansar)
   
   
6. Al Badr
   
   
7. Jamait-ul-Mujahideen(JuM)
   
   
8. Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)
   
   
9. Harkat-ul-Jehad-al-Islami(HUJI)
   
   
10. Muttahida Jehad Council(MJC)
    
    
11. Al Barq
    
    
12. Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen
    
    
13. Al Jehad
    
    
14. Jammu & Kashir National Liberation Army
    
    
15. People’s League
    
    
16. Muslim Janbaz Force
    
    
17. Kashmir Jehad Force
    
    
18. Al Jehad Force (combines Muslim Janbaz Force and Kashmir Jehad Force)
    
    
19. Al Umar Mujahideen
    
    
20. Mahaz-e-Azadi
    
    
21. Islami Jamaat-e-Tulba
    
    
22. Jammu & Kashmir Students Liberation Front
    
    
23. Ikhwan-ul-Mujahideen
    
    
24. Islamic Students League
    
    
25. Tehrik-e-Hurriat-e-Kashmir
    
    
26. Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqar Jafaria
    
    
27. Al Mustafa Liberation Fighters
    
    
28. Tehrik-e-Jehad-e-Islami
    
    
29. Muslim Mujahideen
    
    
30. Al Mujahid Force
    
    
31. Tehrik-e-Jehad
    
    
32. Islami Inquilabi Mahaz

1. Al-Rashid Trust
   
   
2. Al-Akhtar Trust
   
   
3. Rabita Trust
   
   
4. Ummah Tamir-e-Nau
   

There was infographic I once saw, I need to find , which also shows the litany of terror groups in pakistan and which are supported by Pakistan and which are against them. I'm going to see if I can find it now.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

U.N designated terrorist groups or U.S designated terrorist groups are terrorist groups. I need to check which Balochistan group is designated as such by these two bodies. But if it makes you feel any better, I consider them all terror groups when they take up violence in the manner they do. Including those parts of any military that do extra judicial killings, with no retribution.

One more thing, why are you angered that I said 'Pakistan supported terror groups'? This is not a notion or personal opinion, rather it is a well established reputation, and thought on Pakistan by a majority of the world. Why assume a bias when I state a widely accepted, widely talked about claim?

I merely posed a question and I refer you to my post and I see no evidence of any emotional outburst. However, I do see from your rantings on other posts that you're somewhat an emotional entity.

Kashmiris have the right under the UN to fight occupation! If taking up arms against occupiers is terrorism then it would be better to look at the terrorist groups US supported accrording to Robert.D. Gates, 'From the Shadows'; Sandinista ''rebels'' , Angola, Cuba, Afghnistan, subversion in Iran, etc.