Who starts the Indo- Pak cross border firing first? The answer...

[Azad-Kashmiri]

India is now supporting the Baluchistan freedom movement

The Indians in your logic are not supporting terrorists but are a ''freedom movement'', however the 'Kashmiri freedom movement' are ''terrorists'', as you've said in your piece. Speaks volumes of your impartiality!

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

The argument which you made has been on PDF even before you were born.

And? You have a thread on Kashmir every week and with people screaming the same defunct U.N resolution claim every week . What is amazing they seem to go on for 20 pages, every thread every week!

My thread could not have been discussed before because India's support of Balochistan freedom movement was just approved by their govt. and R&AW this year.

 

[Viva India]

At International Border that is manned by Paramilitary ... I am not Sure

At LOC its PA to facilitate the infiltration as there are large amount of Pak made weapons,Pak citizens and Cash has been recovered.

Since 1990 80000 ~ AK's has been recovered

 

[Styx]

cross border firing goes on daily in some areas along loc, both sides know what time the shelling starts and one retreats, and then it's the other sides turn to fire a few daily symbolic shells.. the fire is not directed toward the enemy post.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

The Indians in your logic are not supporting terrorists but are a ''freedom movement'', however the 'Kashmiri freedom movement' are ''terrorists'', as you've said in your piece. Speaks volumes of your impartiality!

U.N designated terrorist groups or U.S designated terrorist groups are terrorist groups. I need to check which Balochistan group is designated as such by these two bodies. But if it makes you feel any better, I consider them all terror groups when they take up violence in the manner they do. Including those parts of any military that do extra judicial killings, with no retribution.

One more thing, why are you angered that I said 'Pakistan supported terror groups'? This is not a notion or personal opinion, rather it is a well established reputation, and thought on Pakistan by a majority of the world. Why assume a bias when I state a widely accepted, widely talked about claim?

 

[That Guy]

This thread isn't even worth giving a proper reply to, that's how ridiculous it is.

 

[pakdefender]

A lot of people on the forum have doubt about @US_statedept_retired
by creating this thread, false flagger just gave away his identity , same way indian defence minister confirmed india's role in supporting terrorism in Pakistan

 

[Winchester]

Moaziz dost,
Ye Is kabil bhi nahi


What more are you expecting from NRI, no wonder Indian government doesn't recognize them as one of their own

This loser is ashamed of his identity and perhaps of his pathetic country.
Now i feel sorry for him !

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

And? You have a thread on Kashmir every week and people, screaming the same defunct U.N resolution claim every week . What is amazing they seem to go on for 20 pages , every thread every week!

My thread could not have been discussed before because India's support of Balochistan freedom movement was just approved by their govt. and R&AW this year.

Time is changing and it is changing very fast.

First India objected Chinese Corridor through Azad Kashmir.

Then Mr.Manohar Parikkar's statement "to Use Thorn to remove Thorn".

And now Mr.Ajit Dhoval's statement "Need to factor in our 106km border with Afghanistan: NSA"

The Pakistanis are clueless, how to deal the Indian Stand. The situation is further aggravated by weakening position of Mr.Ghani in Afghanistan.

India is pressing Pakistan on very Weak Point. And is waiting for the response.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[salarsikander]

janani who pull up her shalwar to fight with everyone.

Hi
And your post is not even worth replying to, but since you did the honours, I am obliged to return the favour

Speak in english please I don't speak gibberish

@Horus People think you as whatever he said in his alien language

 

[salarsikander]

You again did the same thing, why do you act like a woman every time ? Throwing allegations on everyone and when some one treat you the same way you start acting like a woman just to gain sympathy.

HI,
Kid its been a month since you came here, which is too soon for you to pass on your judgment on others based on your limited comprehension capacity.

I merely pointed out one of your brethren, that is it very disgraceful and disgusting to use other flags. Now i dont know how it rolls in your endz. But in mine, people will certainly look and ask me to set it right.
So instead of whining here like a cry baby, you might wanna go and give him some advice as an INDIAN

 

[Levina]

sometimes soldiers also do that for fun he told me when feeling bored

I read that in Lt.Sambal's diary (8 northern light infantry regiment, kargil war). He had written that they tested their new guns by firing at their enemies (India).
And I agree to your point that neither Pakistan nor India is angelic. But its true that majority of the skirmishes were started by Pakistan, some say such firings facilitate the terrorists in crossing the border.

 

[Srinivas]

In the wake of reading the Indian Defence Minister's statements being translated into a completely insane meaning by the media i.e. Lost in translation. Because the term 'You remove a thorn with a thorn' is not saying you take out a terrorist with a terrorist. Rather in the same vein as saying 'You don't bring a knife to a gun battle.' It loosely means that you deal with equal tenacity and force. I thought to add some bits from a conversation I had among some colleagues I've known in the intelligence community.

On India using separatist groups against Pakistan
India has only this year and for the first time made the decision to support balochistan separatist, and soon Gilgit. You may notice after almost every major attack in Kashmir from Pakistan funded terrorists. They will be a major retribution attack from Balochistan against the military. Things are about to be taken to the next level in the next 12- 16 months against those terror groups leaders that Pakistan supports.

On cross border firings
When I enquired about these border firings, they said " It is really simple to figure out who starts firing first. The first of cross border firings is near always started by Pakistan.".

I asked, "How do we know that?"

1. In 99% of cases India FIRST complains of a cross border firing took place, and in most all cases shows supporting evidence on their T.V (interviews, bullets holes, mortar rounds in local villages). Pakistan almost never is first to claim that India fired over the border. One would think if India was first to do so, Pakistan would love to have the international community know of this when it took place immediately.However, once India retaliates, then pakistan claims India started it.
2. Look at the " locations" that these cross border firings take place. It is almost always in those sectors where infiltration takes place. With one exception, the " international border". In those cases it's simply a harassment technique used by pakistan military forces.
3. Don't forget the often ambush on indian patrols, killing and beheading of their soldiers. One never hears of any done on Pakistan patrols as first action.

The bold part is not true, India has been handling the terror coming from Pakistan for decades and we have been successful in that, failed in some occasions. India has no plans to do terrorism in Pakistan.

India has been responding by by other means like diplomacy, economy, sports etc..etc.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

@US_statedept_retired

Well i met a few weird americans but this man is first of a kind, Indians had been supporting terrorists in pakistan not just today but for the first known time in 1971, then they supported terrorists in Srilanka, Burma etc, theres a reason why we have some of the good defense relations with these countries and have always helped them neutralize the threats posed by indians.

This supporting and funding of terrorism is not a thing of today, we have in the past caught their spies involved in terrorism notable was Sarabjit Singh. If u remember during pres. mushy's times he had complained to yr government in mid 2000s that its using yr space given to it in afghanistan for terrorism in pakistan be it in baluchistan or KPK. Also their own Ajit devol who is a former RAW chief and now their Security adviser had admitted that publicly in a gathering and so has their former Chief of army staff General VK Malik. According to Malik there is a special wing in RAW called STD who operates for terrorism activities in Pakistan. And now this famous quote of their defence minister that terrorist can only be neutralized by terrorist is also further validation of that.

Pakistan, if u know the history has always dominated the region as a regional power since longer time then india and is still a dominant regional power, so how much longer can we tolerate them is a question waiting to be answered because the same fault lines that they have been exploiting we can exploit them them as well in even more worst manner then u or then had in past and now.

Now the question is that yr own Asia Pivot Strategy is in direct danger if we decide to do that because by this their economy can easily be doomed and even if we go rightly we CAN easily balkanize them. Because India unlike Pakistan is basically a Union of states/nations rather then a singular Nation, thats how their constitution defines them.

Look Pakistan maybe a Muslim country but it aint a Middle Eastern Country, nor are the foundation stones of this country r build like the middle eastern countries, which are just waiting to be destroyed by a tiny israel. We are the ones who are the continuation of our glorious 1000 years of unmatched rule in South Asia and known of slaying the super powers like u and USSR. We do that coz WE CAN!!!

Now if u really want to save yr asian pivot strategy then u must work accordingly if not then prepare to say goodbye to that strategy, consider that our warning!

 

[Agent_47]

In the wake of reading the Indian Defence Minister's statements being translated into a completely insane meaning by the media i.e. Lost in translation. Because the term 'You remove a thorn with a thorn' is not saying you take out a terrorist with a terrorist. Rather in the same vein as saying 'You don't bring a knife to a gun battle.' It loosely means that you deal with equal tenacity and force. I thought to add some bits from a conversation I had among some colleagues I've known in the intelligence community.

On India using separatist groups against Pakistan
India has only this year and for the first time made the decision to support balochistan separatist, and soon Gilgit. You may notice after almost every major attack in Kashmir from Pakistan funded terrorists. They will be a major retribution attack from Balochistan against the military. Things are about to be taken to the next level in the next 12- 16 months against those terror groups leaders that Pakistan supports.

On cross border firings
When I enquired about these border firings, they said " It is really simple to figure out who starts firing first. The first of cross border firings is near always started by Pakistan.".

I asked, "How do we know that?"

1. In 99% of cases India FIRST complains of a cross border firing took place, and in most all cases shows supporting evidence on their T.V (interviews, bullets holes, mortar rounds in local villages). Pakistan almost never is first to claim that India fired over the border. One would think if India was first to do so, Pakistan would love to have the international community know of this when it took place immediately.However, once India retaliates, then pakistan claims India started it.
2. Look at the " locations" that these cross border firings take place. It is almost always in those sectors where infiltration takes place. With one exception, the " international border". In those cases it's simply a harassment technique used by pakistan military forces.
3. Don't forget the often ambush on indian patrols, killing and beheading of their soldiers. One never hears of any done on Pakistan patrols as first action.

You came to a wrong place to say open secrets !. Its like going to a church and saying Jesus is a makeup story taken from pagen and other anent Egypt stories. See in this particular example i could have chosen any other religion/story, but i didn't !.