Who is responsible for terrorism in Pakistan?

[W.11]

Nobody had even heard of Taliban during the Regan President-ship. There were the pan-Afghan mujahedeen coming from all athenicities of Afghanistan and few Jihadis from the Muslim ummah. The Taliban were created by the ISI much after the end of the soviet occupation of Afghanistan. The people who formed the taliban were predominantly from the Pastun tribes and many of them were mujahedeen veterans from the war against the soviets, who fought against the former mujahedeen to seize control of Afghanistan in order to give Pakistan the strategic depth is wanted in Afghanistan.

The Mujahedeen that CIA was instrumental in creation, were a Afghan nationalist freedom fighting militia, consisting of all ethnicities. The Taliban that ISI created was an radicalised Islamist militia consisting mostly of Pastun tribesmen, some veterans of anti-soviet mujahedeen force. There is a big difference between the two.

taliban was not responsible for 9/11 if yes then show me the link, the terrorism is spread by alquaeda, the alquaeda operation in afghanistan turned to taliban operation

the talibans are largely involved in hunting the invader down, while alquaeda is responsible for terror activities in afghanistan and pakistan

plus its a propaganda which shows talibans look like animals

pahtun talibans are responsible to free afghanistan while its the wahabi saudi element which was imported from around the world in the name of mujahedeens who are actually alquaeda formed and grown by america which is responsible for terror attacks

 

[ajtr]

Who is responsible for terrorism in Pakistan?

This questin reminds me famous Ghalib sher...


Poochte hai woh ki, Ghalib kaun hain?
Koi batlawe ki hum batlaein kaya!

 

[W.11]

all paksiatnis who believe in indian belief of karma are very dillusioned pakistan or who ever say that ghost of zia has haunted us, i mean how can you seriously blame 2 dacades dead men when it was musharraf who brought in the manace which is america, dont we remember what iranians had to go through when they towed america line, they sent CIA to suppress Mosaddegh elected regime in the form of dictator

than iranians had to become anti american because of what america did to their on country?

 

[W.11]

all paksiatnis who believe in indian belief of karma are very dillusioned pakistan or who ever say that ghost of zia has haunted us, i mean how can you seriously blame 2 dacades dead men when it was musharraf who brought in the manace which is america, dont we remember what iranians had to go through when they towed america line, they sent CIA to suppress Mosaddegh elected regime in the form of dictator

than iranians had to become anti american because of what america did to their on country?

 

[Icarus]

self pity is a good thing but to an extent, zia didnt create alquaeda he never imagined to create one, also there was no hint of terrorism till america occupied afghanistan

Incorrect, Afghanistan under the Taliban had already become a hub of terrorism. Al-Qaeda was using it as a springboard for attacks and OBL was chillin' in Kabul.

all the mess started when it occupied afghan and we started to tow american lines, so its actually the towing of american lines which is responsible for the formation of TTP and all that

The elements that later became the TTP were all their to begin with, a clash between the state and the mullah was imminent, it did not happen spontaneously.

if you believe in self pity then what had gaddafi done wrong so that he got alquaeda manace in his country

I'm afraid I don't understand, please elaborate.

its OK that its more sane to blame oneself from the wrong doings other than all others and we pakistanis ourselves are responsible for what we had done wrong, we did wrong to tow american line in 2000s and not for supporting the afghanistan liberation before

What liberation? Though I agree, we should have exercised neutrality in the WoT, however, the war would have caught up to us, sooner or later.

truth is we let our selves repeat the mistake of trusting america as our friend when we had more dignified countries like china to trust better, if we didnt want we had never got america to creatye mess in the first place

Like I said before, the war would have caught up to us in any case, if your neighbour's house is burning and you're sitting idle, there's a good chance that your's is next.

i dont thinki a dead man can be responsible for whats happening to pakistan 2 decades later, it was musharraf who brought in americans along with indians, sold our country and our air bases so that america occupies an innocent country thats haunting us.

Here's where you are wrong, Zia introduced the ideology that later evolved into this problem. He is not involved directly but his short sided policies are what resulted in this mess.

 

[Icarus]

self pity is a good thing but to an extent, zia didnt create alquaeda he never imagined to create one, also there was no hint of terrorism till america occupied afghanistan

Incorrect, Afghanistan under the Taliban had already become a hub of terrorism. Al-Qaeda was using it as a springboard for attacks and OBL was chillin' in Kabul.

all the mess started when it occupied afghan and we started to tow american lines, so its actually the towing of american lines which is responsible for the formation of TTP and all that

The elements that later became the TTP were all their to begin with, a clash between the state and the mullah was imminent, it did not happen spontaneously.

if you believe in self pity then what had gaddafi done wrong so that he got alquaeda manace in his country

I'm afraid I don't understand, please elaborate.

its OK that its more sane to blame oneself from the wrong doings other than all others and we pakistanis ourselves are responsible for what we had done wrong, we did wrong to tow american line in 2000s and not for supporting the afghanistan liberation before

What liberation? Though I agree, we should have exercised neutrality in the WoT, however, the war would have caught up to us, sooner or later.

truth is we let our selves repeat the mistake of trusting america as our friend when we had more dignified countries like china to trust better, if we didnt want we had never got america to creatye mess in the first place

Like I said before, the war would have caught up to us in any case, if your neighbour's house is burning and you're sitting idle, there's a good chance that your's is next.

i dont thinki a dead man can be responsible for whats happening to pakistan 2 decades later, it was musharraf who brought in americans along with indians, sold our country and our air bases so that america occupies an innocent country thats haunting us.

Here's where you are wrong, Zia introduced the ideology that later evolved into this problem. He is not involved directly but his short sided policies are what resulted in this mess.

 

[W.11]

What liberation? Though I agree, we should have exercised neutrality in the WoT, however, the war would have caught up to us, sooner or later.




Like I said before, the war would have caught up to us in any case, if your neighbour's house is burning and you're sitting idle, there's a good chance that your's is next.

you are wrong iran is also afghanistan neighbour like us, but the war didnt reach them

as i have told you, if we let the snakes in, i just read how america occupied our jacobabad air base and how much efforts we had to put in to release that piece of our own land free from the snake, and the stubborness of americans who think our territory is not soverign and they can do any thing from killing to espionage,

in my view we let the devil(america + india) in for which we had to bear all the consequences

now its too pathetic to restore the nato supplies after what they did to our dead soldiers 21 of them, but for money we were sold out, i dont think our deeds today are good enough to blame all this trouble 2 dacade past story..

there was no TTP before WoT) and i think if we had instead of making an eenemy out of taliban let them throw alquaeda out, they would have did that, musharrafs decision to let afghanistan be bombed and occupied by indians and americans made us pay, still i believe that talibans arnt the ones hurting us rather its the american backed alquaeda which is terrorising us

even if we had to be involved, we would have kept distance from american activites but our army gifted them airbases like jacobabad airbase and shami airbase, they could discuss secret plots while staying in our marriot hotel in islambabad, build a castle in karachi and islamabad in the name of their embasey and consulates, gave free hand to CIA and blackwater and their covert activities, hide truth from the public, when the common journalist tried to expose blackwater he was named a conspiracy theorist, we should have restricted american activites in pakistan for sake of our own peace but we totally let them in and then you blame zia, that pityful

 

[W.11]

the reports are that when america was invading afghanistan bin laden was undergoing medical treatment in karachi, now how the hell alquaeda was operated from afghanistan, in my view, the misinformation in the media was that talibans werent ready to hand over bin laden, bin laden wasnt even in afghanistan, dude pakistan have been played from day one and have been helping americans out in their plot, pakistan was all weather friend of the US and US has brought the menace to pakistan, zia if he is anyway responsible is to bring american menace to afghanistan and pakistan and thats it

somebody who closely followed the developments in libya knew that alquaeda was starting war against gaddafi and was getting direct arm supplies from its european masters, i dont thuibk west discriminates a good alquaeda from bad alquaeda, alquaeda has been used as a covert op to hide the dirty games of the western alliance