Who has the strongest Land Forces in ME?

[Indus Pakistan]

Turkey
Iran/Isreal
Eygpt
Rest are Minus Zero

Okay reason. In my scenario I am excluding US or Western asistance to Isreal. Frankly if America pitches in then it is not Isreal your fighting but USA. Therefore you might as well hyphenate Isreal with America.

Anyway although the Isreali's have the hi tech ( largely because of USA ) but they would run into trouble with the Turks simply because of the tenacity of the Turks. The Turks would just wear out the Isreali's and swamp them like Russians did with Germans.

This almost also applies to Iranian's. They also have got staying power ( important in bed as well as in battle ) and as proven in Iran Iraq war would be prepared to take 100,000s of causalties and still keep on fighting. The only thing is any Isreal - Iran war the hi tech Isreali would enjoy absolute advantage ( which would equate to being just advantage against the more advanced Turks ) thus they might end up prevailing over Iran although it would cost them a lot in lives.

The problem in real life is fighting Isreal is like fighting a two boxers. One visible ( Isreal ) and another invisible shadow ( USA ) because of their close cooperation. In fact no country would win againsat Isreal as even if it started to lose and faced defeat US would either pitch in directly or use theatre nuclear attack to prevent Isreali defeat.

Let's compare tanks as they are the spearhead of any land force:

As proven in recent wars air power matters, not tanks. Those Egyptian 1,130 M1A2SEP/M1A1 would be scrap metal with 24 hours at the hands of Isreali Airfirce

 

[Falcon29]

As much as I would like to believe it to be Turkey in number 1, I would say it's a tie between Turkey & Israel.
Besides military power the Israeli's also politicians with massive balls.

Iran 3rd place.

The rest might have nice toys but they have a history of failures and lack of unity.

It isn't about 'balls' it's about Western political/military support. Countries like Canada, US, Australia as some examples view the Jews as their traditional white cousins. Christians in the West see themselves as a sect of Judaism and believe in 'Judeo-Christian' civilization concept. So the political support is there. Even if some Westerners don't buy into that notion, it's the safe route to support Israel in political arena and has many financial benefits. Israel gets many green lights from West and intelligence support from West. Let alone military support. No Muslim country can get that kind of support, Turkey recently was rejected green light for operation in Syria as an example. In past Britain and France fought with Israel against Egypt. Due to this support to Israel, they have upper hand in region.

That being said they don't have best ground forces, they are useful for population control but not for combat. What makes their ground forces look good is their Air Force. Their Air Force employs carpet bombing and massively disportioniate force out of the civilized states in the region. So by committing war crimes they manage to make their ground forces look good. If Turkey attacked Kobani in the manner Israel targeted Gaza there would be outrage from West, criminal court for Turkish officials and so on.

Turkey
Iran/Isreal
Eygpt
Rest are Minus Zero

Okay reason. In my scenario I am excluding US or Western asistance to Isreal. Frankly if America pitches in then it is not Isreal your fighting but USA. Therefore you might as well hyphenate Isreal with America.

Anyway although the Isreali's have the hi tech ( largely because of USA ) but they would run into trouble with the Turks simply because of the tenacity of the Turks. The Turks would just wear out the Isreali's and swamp them like Russians did with Germans.

This almost also applies to Iranian's. They also have got staying power ( important in bed as well as in battle ) and as proven in Iran Iraq war would be prepared to take 100,000s of causalties and still keep on fighting. The only thing is any Isreal - Iran war the hi tech Isreali would enjoy absolute advantage ( which would equate to being just advantage against the more advanced Turks ) thus they might end up prevailing over Iran although it would cost them a lot in lives.

The problem in real life is fighting Isreal is like fighting a two boxers. One visible ( Isreal ) and another invisible shadow ( USA ) because of their close cooperation. In fact no country would win againsat Isreal as even if it started to lose and faced defeat US would either pitch in directly or use theatre nuclear attack to prevent Isreali defeat.



As proven in recent wars air power matters, not tanks. Those Egyptian 1,130 M1A2SEP/M1A1 would be scrap metal with 24 hours at the hands of Isreali Airfirce

You can't use nuclear threats these days. If US threatened nuclear strike on ME not only would it be stupid from economic sense and global order but Russia/China will also suspect a possible nuclear first strike against them. And with that paranoia the whole world will be nuked, and USA will be wiped out.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

As proven in recent wars air power matters, not tanks. Those Egyptian 1,130 M1A2SEP/M1A1 would be scrap metal with 24 hours at the hands of Isreali Airfirce

Read the freaking title of this thread before replying. As a matter of fact you must read the title of any thread before replying there.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It isn't about 'balls' it's about Western political/military support. Countries like Canada, US, Australia as some examples view the Jews as their traditional white cousins. Christians in the West see themselves as a sect of Judaism and believe in 'Judeo-Christian' civilization concept. So the political support is there. Even if some Westerners don't buy into that notion, it's the safe route to support Israel in political arena and has many financial benefits. Israel gets many green lights from West and intelligence support from West. Let alone military support. No Muslim country can get that kind of support, Turkey recently was rejected green light for operation in Syria as an example. In past Britain and France fought with Israel against Egypt. Due to this support to Israel, they have upper hand in region.

That being said they don't have best ground forces, they are useful for population control but not for combat. What makes their ground forces look good is their Air Force. Their Air Force employs carpet bombing and massively disportioniate force out of the civilized states in the region. So by committing war crimes they manage to make their ground forces look good. If Turkey attacked Kobani in the manner Israel targeted Gaza there would be outrage from West, criminal court for Turkish officials and so on.



You can't use nuclear threats these days. If US threatened nuclear strike on ME not only would it be stupid from economic sense and global order but Russia/China will also suspect a possible nuclear first strike against them. And with that paranoia the whole world will be nuked, and USA will be wiped out.

They would reserve them for the "in the extremis" to save Isreal. This of course is highely unlikely because US conventional forces can overwhem any regional player in ME but nevertheless at the doctrine level this option exists.

Nuclear Counterproliferation in the Middle East | Middle East Research and Information Project

 

[Aramagedon]

IRAN

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Very poor choice of Turkey as the strongest in middle east----.

Posters should understand that Turkey has no current combat experience----they have not fought any wars in the last 50 years.


It is ISRAEL all the way----none comes closer----.

I'm pretty sure 95% of you voted Turkey because you hate Israel.
I don't like Israel that much,but we have to admit that they have the strongest and the most modern land forces compared to Turkey and the others. Even if Turkey is modernizing it's army which is good,it could never match the israeli's.
They haven't been prepared to fight Hezbollah,didn't have a clear strategy.... while Hezbollah was very well prepared and well equipped... If i remember,Nasrallah said if he knew Israel would attack lebanon after the abduction of israeli soldiers,he would have never attacked..
I don't know how would like another israeli hezbollah war...
Though after every war,they take lessons from it,adapt to new strategies,develop new equipments etc..
How come Turkey's is strongest than the Israeli's ?

Hi,

Actually what Nasrallah stated was if the had known the number of high casualties it would casue---he would never have thought of attacking Israel----.

Which indeed was very stupid of him----I don't recall who the Israeli prime minister was then-----but the Lebanese / Palestinians got slaughtered----maybe around 1500 of them killed and around 10 or 12 Israelis---what a tragedy for the Palestinians and Lebanese

 

[Oublious]

Let's compare tanks as they are the spearhead of any land force:

High quality tanks:

Egypt:

1,130 M1A2SEP/M1A1
34 T-80UK/T-80U

Turkey:

354 Leopard 2

Israel:

360 Merkava Mark IV
780 Merkava Mark III

Medium quality tanks:

Egypt:

1016 M60A3
700 M60A1

Turkey:

104 M60A1
753 M60A2
619 M60A3 TTS
170 M60T Sabra

Israel:

400 Merkava Mark II
180 Merkava Mark I Retired, to be sold or scrapped
1040 Magach 7 Retired, to be sold or scrapped
560 Magach 6 Retired, to be sold or scrapped

Low quality tanks:

Egypt:

500 T-62 Mark III
260 T-55 Ramses II
840 T-55 unknown future; either scrappage or upgrade to Ramses II standard.

Turkey:
619 M48 Patton A5T1
758 M48 Patton A5T2

Israel:

200 Magach 5 Retired, based on the American M48 Patton
350 Centurion In storage



Read the first one in detail then read the second, you will find most of the Egyptian equipment either manufactured or upgraded in Egypt :

Military

Equipment of the modern Egyptian Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

how many are combat ready?

 

[masud]

iran vs iraq ( all world) war, iran was the winner side. 1965, 1973 israil vs arab war , israil was the winner side but U.S.A help israil to win that battle. despite decad of senction USA still like to talk with iran 1st and chose war as 2nd option, israil, saudi etc all the USA ally need american blessing to start war with iran. THE QUESTION IS WHY ALL THE MIDDLE EAST COUNTRY NEED THE AMERICAN BLESSING TO START WAR WITH IRAN? WHY?

 

[macnurv]

Turkey and Israel are head to head, followed by Iran.

I'm pretty sure 95% of you voted Turkey because you hate Israel.
I don't like Israel that much,but we have to admit that they have the strongest and the most modern land forces compared to Turkey and the others. Even if Turkey is modernizing it's army which is good,it could never match the israeli's.
They haven't been prepared to fight Hezbollah,didn't have a clear strategy.... while Hezbollah was very well prepared and well equipped... If i remember,Nasrallah said if he knew Israel would attack lebanon after the abduction of israeli soldiers,he would have never attacked..
I don't know how would like another israeli hezbollah war...
Though after every war,they take lessons from it,adapt to new strategies,develop new equipments etc..
How come Turkey's is strongest than the Israeli's ?

Don't over simplify, no one in their right minds would over look Israel but the fact remains Israel's war abilities are more often used against unarmed civilians and ragtag fighters of Hamas. The last time Israel came face to face against a better equipped enemy compared to Hamas, their asses were handed to them.

Iran is the wild card here, its army and fighting units are engaged from Syria to Yemen in one form or another.

 

[Neptune]

It isn't about 'balls' it's about Western political/military support. Countries like Canada, US, Australia as some examples view the Jews as their traditional white cousins. Christians in the West see themselves as a sect of Judaism and believe in 'Judeo-Christian' civilization concept. So the political support is there. Even if some Westerners don't buy into that notion, it's the safe route to support Israel in political arena and has many financial benefits. Israel gets many green lights from West and intelligence support from West. Let alone military support. No Muslim country can get that kind of support, Turkey recently was rejected green light for operation in Syria as an example. In past Britain and France fought with Israel against Egypt. Due to this support to Israel, they have upper hand in region.

That being said they don't have best ground forces, they are useful for population control but not for combat. What makes their ground forces look good is their Air Force. Their Air Force employs carpet bombing and massively disportioniate force out of the civilized states in the region. So by committing war crimes they manage to make their ground forces look good. If Turkey attacked Kobani in the manner Israel targeted Gaza there would be outrage from West, criminal court for Turkish officials and so on.



You can't use nuclear threats these days. If US threatened nuclear strike on ME not only would it be stupid from economic sense and global order but Russia/China will also suspect a possible nuclear first strike against them. And with that paranoia the whole world will be nuked, and USA will be wiped out.

I am reserving this post now..there are strong indications that after YAŞ (Supreme Military Board) meeting at 30th July where the current CoS will retire and the Land Forces Commander will be the head of the Turkish Military, an operation is underway if not after a gov't is to be formed..

Hi,

Very poor choice of Turkey as the strongest in middle east----.

Posters should understand that Turkey has no current combat experience----they have not fought any wars in the last 50 years.


It is ISRAEL all the way----none comes closer----.



Hi,

Actually what Nasrallah stated was if the had known the number of high casualties it would casue---he would never have thought of attacking Israel----.

Which indeed was very stupid of him----I don't recall who the Israeli prime minister was then-----but the Lebanese / Palestinians got slaughtered----maybe around 1500 of them killed and around 10 or 12 Israelis---what a tragedy for the Palestinians and Lebanese

Hmm..I don't claim Turkey is the strongest nor Israel, also comparing both countries in a fight which I believe there had to be good relations to a win-win for both of us is nothing but nonsense.
Firstly Israel spends at least 5-6 percentage of her GDP on defense plus US aid, whereas a 2015 NATO report indicates that Turkey is to spend only 1.7 percent.

As for combat experience...

List of wars involving Turkey

• War of Independence
• Sheikh Said Rebellion
• Ararat Rebellion
• Dersim Rebellion
• Korean War

And these are post-1974 (50 years ago lol)

• Invasion of Cyprus
• Kurdish–Turkish conflict
• Operation Allied Force
• War in Afghanistan
• Operation Sun
• Iraq Cross-border Raids
• Syrian Border Clashes
• Operation Shah Euphrates
• Albanian Rebellition of 1997
• Operation Provide Comfort
• Operation Deliberate Force
• Operation Northern Watch
• Operation Enduring Freedom Afghanistan
• Operation Northern Iraq
• Operation Active Endavior
• Operation Ocean Shield
• Kosovo War
• Bosnian War
• Operation Maritime Guard

In some of them besides in a coalition role Turkey also took part individually under cover.

 

[MastanKhan]

I am reserving this post now..there are strong indications that after YAŞ (Supreme Military Board) meeting at 30th July where the current CoS will retire and the Land Forces Commander will be the head of the Turkish Military, an operation is underway if not after a gov't is to be formed..




Hmm..I don't claim Turkey is the strongest nor Israel, also comparing both countries in a fight which I believe there had to be good relations to a win-win for both of us is nothing but nonsense.
Firstly Israel spends at least 5-6 percentage of her GDP on defense plus US aid, whereas a 2015 NATO report indicates that Turkey is to spend only 1.7 percent.

As for combat experience...

List of wars involving Turkey

• War of Independence
• Sheikh Said Rebellion
• Ararat Rebellion
• Dersim Rebellion
• Korean War

And these are post-1974 (50 years ago lol)

• Invasion of Cyprus
• Kurdish–Turkish conflict
• Operation Allied Force
• War in Afghanistan
• Operation Sun
• Iraq Cross-border Raids
• Syrian Border Clashes
• Operation Shah Euphrates
• Albanian Rebellition of 1997
• Operation Provide Comfort
• Operation Deliberate Force
• Operation Northern Watch
• Operation Enduring Freedom Afghanistan
• Operation Northern Iraq
• Operation Active Endavior
• Operation Ocean Shield
• Kosovo War
• Bosnian War
• Operation Maritime Guard

In some of them besides in a coalition role Turkey also took part individually under cover.

Hi,

Your post sounds like American army veterans and supporters whose claim of fame is thrashing the Iraqi army in iraq and Taliban in the early parts of the war in Afghanistan and then strutting around like they have conquered Mt Everest.

The Turkish army does have a lots of training in modern warfare----but the skirmishes that you are talking about----don't count to war between two nations.

For that reason----Israel is the top notch force in the region having fought many a FULL SCALE wars with neighboring countries

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

I wonder how people have forgotten Turkey here.

 

[MastanKhan]

I wonder how people have forgotten Turkey here.

Hi,

So tell us about turkey---let us see it thru the eyes of a teenager what he thinks about them.

 

[Desert Fox]

How could they be Turkey or Israel?

Egypt has more active personal and reserves, more tanks, APCs, IFVs, ATGMs, armoured cars, logistical vehicles, towed-artillery, self-propelled artillery, ballistic missiles, MRLS, helicopters and AA defense systems. Most of them are high/medium quality equipment.

They also have well established arms industries.

I didn't know Egypt had ballistic missiles? Any more info on that bro??

 

[black-hawk_101]

Now! ISIS is targeting the Israel. So, it seems that ISIS going to bombed by Israel too.