Who financed Tareek Labayak dharna

[AZ1]

there IS an Islamic scholar involved...the imam of the village masjid. his presence made matters even worse!

Imam of the mosque is not an Islamic Scholar. I meant Islamic scholar like mufti who pass fatwa.

 

[TMA]

Imam of the mosque is not an Islamic Scholar. I meant Islamic scholar like mufti who pass fatwa.

I don't get why people consider any fella with a beard and turban and who knows a few Arabic verses is automatically a scholar of Islam?

 

[AZ1]

I don't get why people consider any fella with a beard and turban and who knows a few Arabic verses is automatically a scholar of Islam?

I know they think 5 fingers are equal and they see every beard guy with same mentality. But they even forget that they pray behind him entire their lives and the same beard molvi(mullah) will pray for him when they die.

 

[GumNaam]

Imam of the mosque is not an Islamic Scholar. I meant Islamic scholar like mufti who pass fatwa.

Uhm, you do know that molvi delivers khutbas and leads prayers and gives advice to the villagers on a daily basis, right? Maybe he isn't up there academically like muftis are but he is a scholar none the less.

 

[AZ1]

Uhm, you do know that molvi delivers khutbas and leads prayers and gives advice to the villagers on a daily basis, right? Maybe he isn't up there academically like muftis are but he is a scholar none the less.

So you are saying that the case is so sensitive and we should take any not up to academically scholar which is not very known to public?

This type of cases should be in presence of well known Islamic Scholar (Mufti's) and why not?

We can place all mufti's in 1 ramazan show for rating of the program why not for this?

 

[Yaseen1]

What i understand from seeing various violance videos of protest is that those people who damage property are not part of main gathering of protests surrounding Tlp or other leadership which shows that they are either foreign agents or people from ordinary public and they may be doing this due to other than religious cause like they are jobless and due to high inflation recently they may be expressing anger .In order to stop such events and damage govt should focus on economy and take steps to reduce unemployment and inflation and improve earning scale of public

 

[AZ1]

What i understand from seeing various violance videos of protest is that those people who damage property are not part of main gathering of protests surrounding Tlp or other leadership which shows that they are either foreign agents or people from ordinary public and they may be doing this due to other than religious cause like they are jobless and due to high inflation recently they may be expressing anger .In order to stop such events and damage govt should focus on economy and take steps to reduce unemployment and inflation and improve earning scale of public

I don't agree with you. Leave who damage just watch TLP leader's video itself.

Peace way would be if they don't agree with the decision they should file the petition in the court that this case should be handle in presence of Mufti's and if they want protest that is also fine but peace protest. Now TLP is not behind this damage you wouldn't able to proof it. You never know what sabzi wala is thinking while listening to TLP leader and what is happening in his mind.

 

[GumNaam]

I know they think 5 fingers are equal and they see every beard guy with same mentality. But they even forget that they pray behind him entire their lives and the same beard molvi(mullah) will pray for him when they die.

Well...unless he dies before us and one of us ends up praying for him.

And no, our perception is not because of the the beard and physical appearances. Our perception is that every single time we deal with a so called "scholar", everytime we see one on tv, he is angry, he is all frowned up, he is constantly pulling you towards a specific sect and finally, his way of 7th century reasoning just does NOT stand up to anyone with a 21st century education. Im truly sorry to say, but these people are gonna stand in front a 21st century brain surgeon and tell HER that her faith is merely half compared to a man and she is naaqis-ul-aqal JUST because she's a woman? I'm sorry but talking to most of them is almost an insult to our intelligence. They just can't stand in front of 21st century cognitive and critical thinking... they almost always crash and then get angry. Is it any surprise that we have this perception about them that they are all backwards? No it's not and it's their own fault, not ours.

So you are saying that the case is so sensitive and we should take any not up to academically scholar which is not very known to public?

This type of cases should be in presence of well known Islamic Scholar (Mufti's) and why not?

We can place all mufti's in 1 ramazan show for rating of the program why not for this?

And what would part of the verdict is it that a mufti could possibly clarify? Do we really REALLY need a mufti to tell us that in Islam, the benefit of any doubt shall always go to the accused? I think not. Is there any mufti who would say that all of the glaring contradictions in witnesses and evidences are actually not contradictions at all? I think not. So what on earth would any mufti say or do that would possibly effect the outcome of the verdict? This was simply hatred of a two dayhati women against another dayhati woman of a different faith.

 

[Yaseen1]

I don't agree with you. Leave who damage just watch TLP leader's video itself.

Peace way would be if they don't agree with the decision they should file the petition in the court that this case should be handle in presence of Mufti's and if they want protest that is also fine but peace protest. Now TLP is not behind this damage you wouldn't able to proof it. You never know what sabzi wala is thinking while listening to TLP leader and what is happening in his mind.

Those who damage property are not mullah totally.I saw most of them wearing jeans and without beards some were like mullah apparently but not all and they come in form of small gangs and are different and separated from main protests .i listen many of ulema in protest appealing public not to damage property .Speech against army is rejected by most of ulema and no one support peer afzal qadri on this

 

[GumNaam]

What i understand from seeing various violance videos of protest is that those people who damage property are not part of main gathering of protests surrounding Tlp or other leadership which shows that they are either foreign agents or people from ordinary public and they may be doing this due to other than religious cause like they are jobless and due to high inflation recently they may be expressing anger .In order to stop such events and damage govt should focus on economy and take steps to reduce unemployment and inflation and improve earning scale of public

Maybe, maybe not. But inciting the CJP's cooks or drivers to shoot him and inciting the army to commit mutiny in itself far worse than that demonstrators did.

 

[AZ1]

Well...unless he dies before us and one of us ends up praying for him.

And no, our perception is not because of the the beard and physical appearances. Our perception is that every single time we deal with a so called "scholar", everytime we see one on tv, he is angry, he is all frowned up, he is constantly pulling you towards a specific sect and finally, his way of 7th century reasoning just does NOT stand up to anyone with a 21st century education. Im truly sorry to say, but these people are gonna stand in front a 21st century brain surgeon and tell HER that her faith is merely half compared to a man and she is naaqis-ul-aqal JUST because she's a woman? I'm sorry but talking to most of them is almost an insult to our intelligence. They just can't stand in front of 21st century cognitive and critical thinking... they almost always crash and then get angry. Is it any surprise that we have this perception about them that they are all backwards? No it's not and it's their own fault, not ours.

No actually problem is in your mentality. You take molvi to be farishta who can't do mistake. He is human too and have all those human nature just like you. But problem is when we do mistake oh we are human and human makes mistake but when molvi do mistake throw stones at him and he can't mistake.

Another problem is you would like tv show mufti's to give fatwa which you like.

Most common example
Like listen song that is fine it's 21st century which molvi clearly say no then you will say look it's 21st century and he is saying this and that.

 

[GumNaam]

I don't agree with you. Leave who damage just watch TLP leader's video itself.

Peace way would be if they don't agree with the decision they should file the petition in the court that this case should be handle in presence of Mufti's and if they want protest that is also fine but peace protest. Now TLP is not behind this damage you wouldn't able to proof it. You never know what sabzi wala is thinking while listening to TLP leader and what is happening in his mind.

The thing is that having tried to insure straight up assassinations, they basically labeled themselves as guilty until proven innocent for all the property damages. They can say it wasn't their followers all they want now, the courts will just play their video and say yeah sure that's what they all say after their in trouble.

Those who damage property are not mullah totally.I saw most of them wearing jeans and without beards some were like mullah apparently but not all and they come in form of small gangs and are different and separated from main protests .i listen many of ulema in protest appealing public not to damage property .Speech against army is rejected by most of ulema and no one support peer afzal qadri on this

Naah dude, I've seen clean shaved people with jeans and t shirts in the faizabad dharna.

 

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[Yaseen1]

The thing is that having tried to insure straight up assassinations, they basically labeled themselves as guilty until proven innocent for all the property damages. They can say it wasn't their followers all they want now, the courts will just play their video and say yeah sure that's what they all say after their in trouble.


Naah dude, I've seen clean shaved people with jeans and t shirts in the faizabad dharna.

That is why i said people not ony join such protest for religious cause only but for other matters and problems also

 

[GumNaam]

No actually problem is in your mentality. You take molvi to be farishta who can't do mistake. He is human too and have all those human nature just like you. But problem is when we do mistake oh we are human and human makes mistake but when molvi do mistake throw stones at him and he can't mistake.

Another problem is you would like tv show mufti's to give fatwa which you like.

Most common example
Like listen song that is fine it's 21st century which molvi clearly say no then you will say look it's 21st century and he is saying this and that.

That's actually incorrect. We know that they are humans and can make mistakes and we want them to come up par with the education standards of the 21st century. The problem is that they refuse to do both and yet, expect to be obeyed... not gonna happen. There's a reason why most of their followers are poorly educated or uneducated.