Who Exports More Weapons? India or Pakistan

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for you dude_https://defence.pk/threads/defence-exports-by-india-touch-2-billion-in-2011-12.155500/

https://defence.pk/threads/defence-exports-by-india-touch-2-billion-in-2011-12.155500/

LMAO.. again a forum type site.. without any facts n figures... 2 billion $ = 3RD LARGEST ARMS EXPORTER?

Super Mushkak is an modified SAAB Safari,K 8 Karakaoram is joint project with China contributing the most,any Pakistani developed aircraft??Try to match 1960s kiran jet trainer

Kiddo take a rest.. Mushak variant was a customised SAAB.. Super Mushak is an evolution.. not just more advanced but bigger and more capable... hence hundreds were sold to several countries...

Even DRDO chiefs calls it a shaped trajectory system.You know anything more than him??




You doesnt even know how much,the RVs used on Shaurya weigh...Hey you know whats an RV?

Didnt @Secur answer you perfectly LMAO.. even he quit after ur consistent display of stupidity.

Oh please nothing in comparison to Tata _ Boeing deal,let alone HAL..

LMAO.. 20 million $ deal and an memorandum of understanding (MoU) for the 10 years...for 1 billion $ parts.

Yeah right..

first link says



Nothing about indigenously developed one

Second link.

Only refers about the existence of such a project,no other details

Third link

About 50 MW Khusab research reactor


rest two links

Says about indigenous construction,not indigenous development

So here is my question what about a Pakistani developed commercial nuclear reactor??(like Indian PHWR 700,AHWR 300 etc?)

And display of ... I said we are "DEVELOPING AND PRODUCING INDIGENOUS CIVILIAN NUCLEAR REACTORS" ... PROVIDED YOU SOURCE ABOUT 70% INDIGENOUS PARTS ALREADY PRODUCED REST IMPORTED FROM CHINA.. FOR WHAT YOU CALL "CIVIL N.REACTORS PRODUCED WITH CHINESE HELP"... THAN I PROVIDED YOU SOURCE ABOUT 6-8 INDIGENOUS 300+ MW CIVIL N REACTORS UNDER CONTRUCTION..

Now do you want me to spoon feed you?

lets see after 2015,atleast when Chinese one is launched

Again coperation doesnt mean foriegn.. if tht was the case india produces nothing.. not even the damn K-15 .. forget arjun or dhruv... based on MB heli and leo and parts imported from dozens of countries... and so on ...

PHWRs,Thorium reactors & FBR& our own fusion reactor by 2022....yeah super cool...

Lmao.. so advanced yet want N. deals from USA,russia etc?

shut up if you doesnt know a thing.

Turbofan engines for jet trainers are not made in Pakistan,while India manufactures them,and have even developed them.

Which indian developed turbofan? the ones tht RUAAG didnt want? and even sent their staff to ensure donnier shells of better quality .. which are yet to be exported?

As for shutting up... try to act on your own advice.. would same us a headache.

And you doesnt know about composites...

And you do? its a material not a fukin weapon... just like airline parts are parts and not weapon systems or platforms... the only major export being a few helis exported at low cost and transported to ecuador and a leased n donnated to hospitals n poor countries like nepal n mauritius..

 

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Export of arms = Arms transfers that generated revenue for the country.
SIPRI spends a lot of time tracking arms transfers and uses a system known as TIV. From their website

The TIV is based on the known unit production costs of a core set of weapons and is intended to represent the transfer of military resources rather than the financial value of the transfer. Weapons for which a production cost is not known are compared with core weapons based on: size and performance characteristics (weight, speed, range and payload); type of electronics, load¬ing or unloading arrangements, engine, tracks or wheels, armament and materials; and the year in which the weapon was produced. A weapon that has been in service in another armed force is given a value 40 per cent of that of a new weapon. A used weapon that has been significantly refurbished or modified by the supplier before delivery is given a value of 66 per cent of that of a new weapon.

SIPRI calculates the volume of transfers to, from and between all parties using the TIV and the number of weapon systems or subsystems delivered in a given year. This data is intended to provide a common unit to allow the measurement if trends in the flow of arms to particular countries and regions over time. Therefore, the main priority is to ensure that the TIV system remains consistent over time, and that any changes introduced are backdated.

SIPRI TIV figures do not represent sales prices for arms transfers. They should therefore not be directly compared with gross domestic product (GDP), military expenditure, sales values or the financial value of export licences in an attempt to measure the economic burden of arms imports or the economic benefits of exports. They are best used as the raw data for calculating trends in international arms transfers over periods of time, global percentages for suppliers and recipients, and percentages for the volume of transfers to or from particular states.

Examples of SIPRI TIV

To better illustrate how the SIPRI TIV is constructed/calculated, four types of transfer are outlined below using actual SIPRI TIV: transfer of a newly produced complete weapons system; a transfer of surplus weapons; a transfer of significant components for a major conventional weapons system; and a licensed production arrangement. All of the examples given are for items delivered or ordered from Germany in 2009.

• The transfer of newly produced complete weapons systems: In 2009, Germany delivered 6 Eurofighter combat aircraft to Austria. One Eurofighter is valued at 55 million SIPRI TIV. Therefore the delivery is valued at 330 million SIPRI TIV.
• Transfer of surplus weapons: SIPRI values 'used' weapons at 40 percent of the TIV of a new weapon. In 2009, Germany delivered 43 surplus Leopard-2A4 tanks to Chile. One Leopard-2A4 tank is valued at 4 million SIPRI TIV and a used version is valued at 1.6 million SIPRI TIV (40 per cent of the value of a new version). Therefore, the delivery is valued at 68.8 million SIPRI TIV.
• Transfer of significant components for major conventional weapons systems: In 2009, Germany delivered 8 MTU-8000 diesel engines for frigates to Singapore. One MTU-8000 diesel engine is valued at 4 million SIPRI TIV. Therefore the delivery is valued at 32 million SIPRI TIV.
• Licensed production arrangement: The SIPRI definition of licensed production covers a range of activities whereby the recipient is granted permission to produce major conventional weapons from kits or blueprints. In 2009 the Republic of Korea was granted a license to produce one Type-209PN submarine. One Type-209PN submarine is valued at 275 million SIPRI TIV. Therefore the delivery is valued at 275 million SIPRI TIV.

Using this metric the TIV's for India and Pakistan from the year 2000 to 2012 are 171 and 59 respectively. Debate closed.