White House convenes donor Nations for Gaza Conference

[Ceylal]

The topic of this thread is not finger pointing but starting dialog and finding a solution.

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The solution is simple. Israel,has to recognize an indépendant Palestinian Satate, with no conditions, with a roll back of the settlement to the Oslo agreement..The ball is in Israel corner...
So far nothing tangible came out of the différent Israeli government but bulking, wearing, dismantling and Vave of settlers...
Talking to a bunch of Arab states with a hand stretched for a freebies ,protection is it not seen as positive by the people they govern..Sissi, Abdullah et other glued to the seat dictators are irrelevant..in the 21st century...

 

[Metanoia]

Too many zionist afterbirth filths on this forum constantly spewing all sort of nonsense.

 

[HAIDER]

Hindus & Jews are much older than you new Muslims. Have some respect.

Muslim never killed jew in history but only tribal feuds . After crusade, muslim protect jews and so on..........

 

[Cthulhu]

For the owners of the Ummah peace doesn't have a meaning cause they own the place.

 

[sammuel]

The solution is simple. Israel,has to recognize an indépendant Palestinian Satate, with no conditions, with a roll back of the settlement to the Oslo agreement..The ball is in Israel corner...
So far nothing tangible came out of the différent Israeli government but bulking, wearing, dismantling and Vave of settlers...
Talking to a bunch of Arab states with a hand stretched for a freebies ,protection is it not seen as positive by the people they govern..Sissi, Abdullah et other glued to the seat dictators are irrelevant..in the 21st century...

you are talking about a one side solution , Israel would do this or that and all will be solved ?

If you remember Israel tried this one side move in 2005 when they decided on Gaza disengagement. The result was that immediately afterwords Hamas took over started throwing fattah representatives of rooftops and soon after rockets started flying into Israel. On the ground things got much worse for the residents of Gaza not better.

Now there are those who worry that if we would evacuate the west bank the same will happen there. It is easy enough to evacuate an area , the question is what will happen in it later. As you know there is no vacuum in the middle east and many time when a vacuum is created , much more extreme elements take over ( see north Iraq ). And there a lot more extreme groups than Hamas out there ...

I am all for Palestinian independence , but you need to understand that precautions need to be taken to make sure that places given must remain civilized. Otherwise it would spell bad news not only for the Israelis but also for the palestinians.

Peace .

A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time for love, a time for hate
A time for peace, I swear it's not too late

(Ecclesiastes 3:1-8)

 

[Ceylal]

Samuel, Hamas is an Israeli creation to disrupt the Yasser Arafat government..Israel was never seriously considered or willing to consider a Palestinien State..To this day..
IAM sorry to say that that a state created by swords can be persuaded by flowers..

 

[sammuel]

Samuel, Hamas is an Israeli creation to disrupt the Yasser Arafat government..Israel was never seriously considered or willing to consider a Palestinien State..To this day..
IAM sorry to say that that a state created by swords can be persuaded by flowers..

You did not really made an effort to address my points , did you now ?

Instead you resulted to to the usual one line finger pointing , which helps nothing to solve this conflict and beside being shallow , does nothing to help solve those real issues i raised , which are not something you can just wipe under the carpet.

Rather sad that you cant have a real productive discussion on this topic in this forum.

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[Arsalan 345]

Israel sits alongside with Al Jews hahahaha.

 

[Ceylal]

You did not really made an effort to address my points , did you now ?

Instead you resulted to to the usual one line finger pointing , which helps nothing to solve this conflict and beside being shallow , does nothing to help solve those real issues i raised , which are not something you can just wipe under the carpet.

Rather sad that you cant have a real productive discussion on this topic in this forum.

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Really, there is no discussion, Israel , just like you here have one line of argument is that of the “fait accompli” we are here , we are going to stay ..and that the Palestinian have to deal with repression, possession of their houses and of their livelyhood.
Samuel, Israel is not in Europe , it is in the Middle East, living among a hostile population due to Israel’s doing..you can’t count on Sissi, Abdullah or Selman to come to your aid, since themselves are not that like in their respective countries to began with..They will come a day, where the brought you in, will take you back...The ball is our corner...

 

[sammuel]

Really, there is no discussion, Israel , just like you here have one line of argument is that of the “fait accompli” we are here , we are going to stay ..and that the Palestinian have to deal with repression, possession of their houses and of their livelyhood.
Samuel, Israel is not in Europe , it is in the Middle East, living among a hostile population due to Israel’s doing..you can’t count on Sissi, Abdullah or Selman to come to your aid, since themselves are not that like in their respective countries to began with..They will come a day, where the brought you in, will take you back...The ball is our corner...

First let us agree that the middle east is a hostile place period ! . Not just to israel but to most residents . You have problems of dictatorship and human rights all over the middle east , you have issues of muslim extremist trying to take over whether it is the Mb in egypt or Isis in Iraq and God knows what new extreme groups will appear next. No country is safe here.

You need to realize that solving the israeli - pal conflict is not something that is easy . It is a complex issue that would require tons of good will on both sides not to mention a massive umbrella of support from the international community.

Never the less it is the path we must take whether it takes 5 years or 50 years to solve.

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[Solomon2]

White House summit on Gaza aims to 'end Palestinian cause'
As a conference in Washington, DC, seeks to end Gaza's humanitarian crisis, residents say they have 'no expectations'.

14 Mar 2018

The US is meant to reveal several proposals that tackle some of the humanitarian issues faced by Gaza's residents [File: Reuters]

As the White House prepares to hold a conference aimed at resolving the humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip, Palestinians in the besieged enclave say the summit is an attempt at erasing the Palestinian cause and turning it into "an aid project".

Palestinian representatives, who declined the White House's invitation to attend, were absent at the conference happening on Tuesday in Washington, DC.

However, representatives from some 20 countries are among the attendees who will discuss Gaza's health challenges, its chronic contaminated water and electricity problem, as well as poverty and food security.

Countries and international bodies who attended the conference include Bahrain, Egypt, the European Union, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, the United Nations, Japan, Cyprus, Canada and Israel.

The United States was expected to unveil several proposals that tackle some of these issues.

US President Donald Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and Middle East envoy Jason Greenblatt - who are key supporters of Israeli right-wing policies against Palestinians - will speak at the summit.

In his opening remarks, Greenblatt laid blame on Hamas, the Palestinian group which governs Gaza, saying it is "profoundly unfit" to govern the territory.

"This is about the health, safety and happiness of the people of Gaza, and of all Palestinians, Israelis and Egyptians."

Gaza residents continue to face a desperate situation because of the blockade with water and electricityshortages, as well as a lack of medicines and doctors unable to perform surgeries.

The Israeli blockade of Gaza, in its current form, has been in place since June 2007, when Israel imposed a land, sea and air blockade on the area after Hamas won elections in the enclave a year earlier.

Israel controls Gaza's airspace and territorial waters, as well as two of the three border crossing points; the third is controlled by Egypt. Both Israel and Egypt have kept their borders largely shut and are responsible for further deteriorating the already-weakened economic and humanitarian situations.

Gaza, which has seen three Israeli assaults in the last decade, is home to some two million people, many of whom participated in protests against Trump's decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital last year.

Since Trump's move, the Palestinian Authority (PA) has questioned the US' position as an honest broker in mediating peace efforts between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

While Palestinian officials see East Jerusalem as the capital of their potential state, the move, experts have said, effectively "killed" the Oslo peace process that was based on that premise.

'Dishonest' broker
With the US now perceived as a "dishonest" broker by many Palestinians, residents of the Strip believe that the conference is being held to "protect Israel" from another war with Gaza.

"This would stand in the way of Trump's plans," 29-year-old Abdulkareem Aboul Enein, told Al Jazeera.

"I expect the results of the conference to be positive for the people of Gaza, especially since Israel is involved.

"While this may be a positive thing for Gazans, I think it may hurt the unity government and the reconciliation agreement between Fatah and Hamas."

Hamas and Fatah, the two main Palestinian political parties, signed a reconciliation agreement in October 2017, ending a decade of division that saw two parallel governments operating in Gaza and the West Bank, respectively.

The agreement to form a unity government was signed in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, on October 13, but efforts to implement the deal have faced obstacles.

Aboul Enein believes it was the right decision for the PA to decline the White House's invitation.

"I don't think the PA should have attended - I think none of the Palestinian officials should attend any event initiated by the US until Trump's administration revokes its policies against Palestinians," he said.

Similarly, 23-year-old Ibtihal Mohammed says the US is merely attempting to ensure that it, in the eyes of the international community, "maintains its call for peace and stability in the region."

"But unfortunately, and as usual, this is just a facade and an act that it puts on year after year," she said.

"I think the outcome of the conference will be minimal - perhaps some aid will be delivered, but that won't last, especially if certain conditions are not met."

'Pardoning' Israel
In January, Trump announced the US government would be cutting more than half of its planned funding to the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees, a move that could prove catastrophic for millions of people in need.

Withholding $65m of a $125m aid package earmarked for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA) could hinder the agency's operations to a large extent.

For nearly 70 years, UNRWA has been the lifeline for the more than five million registered Palestinian refugees in the occupied territories and Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.

And for Gaza's residents, UNRWA's support is the only constant.

As such, some Gazans see a silver lining in the latest efforts put forward by the US to end Gaza's humanitarian crisis.

Gaza-based writer Asmaa al-Ghoul told Al Jazeera any conference tackling the "unbearable living conditions of the Gaza Strip is welcome".

"The US has done nothing in the past besides place Hamas on a global terror list, which only complicated things for the Strip further," she said.

Al-Ghoul also placed blame on both Fatah and Hamas for the worsening conditions in Gaza.

"Fatah did nothing to stop the blockade and instead, its compliance elongated the siege - and Hamas failed at several attempts to reconcile and find a political solution to end the siege on Gaza," she said.

"We have no expectations"

Others insisted that the conference is a just a front, and maintain that the conference does not have Gazans' best interests at heart.

"Without a doubt, I think that the conference is a front, and its objective is to serve Israel's interests," Sami Akeeleh, an academic researcher, told Al Jazeera.

"They [US] wants to remove blame from Israel regarding the deteriorating conditions here in Gaza."

Akeeleh said efforts are ongoing to pardon Israel from having to make compromises to ease Gaza's humanitarian situation.

"In light of Trump's Jerusalem announcement, it's like the Palestinian cause has shifted to a cluster of humanitarian crises - and this conference may be an effort to reinforce this particular discourse," Akeeleh said.

"The US is turning the Palestinian cause into bags of aid."

 

[Cthulhu]

White House summit on Gaza aims to 'end Palestinian cause'
As a conference in Washington, DC, seeks to end Gaza's humanitarian crisis, residents say they have 'no expectations'.

14 Mar 2018

The US is meant to reveal several proposals that tackle some of the humanitarian issues faced by Gaza's residents [File: Reuters]

As the White House prepares to hold a conference aimed at resolving the humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip, Palestinians in the besieged enclave say the summit is an attempt at erasing the Palestinian cause and turning it into "an aid project".

Palestinian representatives, who declined the White House's invitation to attend, were absent at the conference happening on Tuesday in Washington, DC.

However, representatives from some 20 countries are among the attendees who will discuss Gaza's health challenges, its chronic contaminated water and electricity problem, as well as poverty and food security.

Countries and international bodies who attended the conference include Bahrain, Egypt, the European Union, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, the United Nations, Japan, Cyprus, Canada and Israel.

The United States was expected to unveil several proposals that tackle some of these issues.

US President Donald Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and Middle East envoy Jason Greenblatt - who are key supporters of Israeli right-wing policies against Palestinians - will speak at the summit.

In his opening remarks, Greenblatt laid blame on Hamas, the Palestinian group which governs Gaza, saying it is "profoundly unfit" to govern the territory.

"This is about the health, safety and happiness of the people of Gaza, and of all Palestinians, Israelis and Egyptians."

Gaza residents continue to face a desperate situation because of the blockade with water and electricityshortages, as well as a lack of medicines and doctors unable to perform surgeries.

The Israeli blockade of Gaza, in its current form, has been in place since June 2007, when Israel imposed a land, sea and air blockade on the area after Hamas won elections in the enclave a year earlier.

Israel controls Gaza's airspace and territorial waters, as well as two of the three border crossing points; the third is controlled by Egypt. Both Israel and Egypt have kept their borders largely shut and are responsible for further deteriorating the already-weakened economic and humanitarian situations.

Gaza, which has seen three Israeli assaults in the last decade, is home to some two million people, many of whom participated in protests against Trump's decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital last year.

Since Trump's move, the Palestinian Authority (PA) has questioned the US' position as an honest broker in mediating peace efforts between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

While Palestinian officials see East Jerusalem as the capital of their potential state, the move, experts have said, effectively "killed" the Oslo peace process that was based on that premise.

'Dishonest' broker
With the US now perceived as a "dishonest" broker by many Palestinians, residents of the Strip believe that the conference is being held to "protect Israel" from another war with Gaza.

"This would stand in the way of Trump's plans," 29-year-old Abdulkareem Aboul Enein, told Al Jazeera.

"I expect the results of the conference to be positive for the people of Gaza, especially since Israel is involved.

"While this may be a positive thing for Gazans, I think it may hurt the unity government and the reconciliation agreement between Fatah and Hamas."

Hamas and Fatah, the two main Palestinian political parties, signed a reconciliation agreement in October 2017, ending a decade of division that saw two parallel governments operating in Gaza and the West Bank, respectively.

The agreement to form a unity government was signed in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, on October 13, but efforts to implement the deal have faced obstacles.

Aboul Enein believes it was the right decision for the PA to decline the White House's invitation.

"I don't think the PA should have attended - I think none of the Palestinian officials should attend any event initiated by the US until Trump's administration revokes its policies against Palestinians," he said.

Similarly, 23-year-old Ibtihal Mohammed says the US is merely attempting to ensure that it, in the eyes of the international community, "maintains its call for peace and stability in the region."

"But unfortunately, and as usual, this is just a facade and an act that it puts on year after year," she said.

"I think the outcome of the conference will be minimal - perhaps some aid will be delivered, but that won't last, especially if certain conditions are not met."

'Pardoning' Israel
In January, Trump announced the US government would be cutting more than half of its planned funding to the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees, a move that could prove catastrophic for millions of people in need.

Withholding $65m of a $125m aid package earmarked for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA) could hinder the agency's operations to a large extent.

For nearly 70 years, UNRWA has been the lifeline for the more than five million registered Palestinian refugees in the occupied territories and Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.

And for Gaza's residents, UNRWA's support is the only constant.

As such, some Gazans see a silver lining in the latest efforts put forward by the US to end Gaza's humanitarian crisis.

Gaza-based writer Asmaa al-Ghoul told Al Jazeera any conference tackling the "unbearable living conditions of the Gaza Strip is welcome".

"The US has done nothing in the past besides place Hamas on a global terror list, which only complicated things for the Strip further," she said.

Al-Ghoul also placed blame on both Fatah and Hamas for the worsening conditions in Gaza.

"Fatah did nothing to stop the blockade and instead, its compliance elongated the siege - and Hamas failed at several attempts to reconcile and find a political solution to end the siege on Gaza," she said.

"We have no expectations"

Others insisted that the conference is a just a front, and maintain that the conference does not have Gazans' best interests at heart.

"Without a doubt, I think that the conference is a front, and its objective is to serve Israel's interests," Sami Akeeleh, an academic researcher, told Al Jazeera.

"They [US] wants to remove blame from Israel regarding the deteriorating conditions here in Gaza."

Akeeleh said efforts are ongoing to pardon Israel from having to make compromises to ease Gaza's humanitarian situation.

"In light of Trump's Jerusalem announcement, it's like the Palestinian cause has shifted to a cluster of humanitarian crises - and this conference may be an effort to reinforce this particular discourse," Akeeleh said.

"The US is turning the Palestinian cause into bags of aid."

The Palestinians have gotten a golden bilakh (گلدن بیلاخ) once again.

 

[Solomon2]

The Palestinians have gotten a golden bilakh (گلدن بیلاخ) once again.

They are "lucky" that their enemies are Jews and that so much of the world despises Jews for these are willing to generously support a hatemongering community and its antisemitic violence.

 

[Cthulhu]

They are "lucky" that their enemies are Jews and that so much of the world despises Jews for these are willing to generously support a hatemongering community and its antisemitic violence.

Yeap, They're so lucky. Judaism, With its unsurpassed moral standards, Remains a major influence on the citizens of Israel. I say this as a non-Jew.

 

[Falcon29]

So? US invited Arab parties to help fund rehabilitation efforts in Gaza. Israel is there too because unfortunately all humanitarian projects have to be approved by them. What should be on the table is lifting the siege and pulling out of Palestinian territories in the West Bank. If they drag this on they will cause humanitarian catastrophe in the region. US administrations should not be naive to sacrifice world peace for some several million Jews dominance.