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Memogate: Who’s lying to whom – and why?

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Ambassador Haqqani will present his point of view at a much-anticipated meeting between the civilian and military leadership likely to take place today. PHOTO: AFP/FILE.

ISLAMABAD: Based solely on the earnestness of their respective assertions, you wouldn’t know who is lying.

As the drama of the Memogate scandal unfolds, both embattled Ambassador Hussain Haqqani and his accuser, Pakistani-American businessman Mansoor Ijaz, continue to vociferously stick to their guns.

What remains to be seen is who will blink first.

In the meantime, away from the glare of the public debate, Haqqani will present his point of view at a much-anticipated meeting between the civilian and military leadership likely to take place today (Tuesday).

President Asif Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani are likely to throw their weight behind Haqqani when he is quizzed by Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and Director General Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt General Ahmed Shuja Pasha over his alleged role in the purported secret memo allegedly sent to US officials on his behalf.

Ahead of the high-level meeting, Haqqani held informal meetings with the president on Sunday to convince him that he had no role in the secret memo delivered by Pakistani-American businessman Mansoor Ijaz in May this year to then US Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen seeking help to rein in the country’s powerful military establishment.

Sources disclosed that Haqqani appears to have convinced the president that ‘Memogate’ was a conspiracy orchestrated by elements who want to destabilise the democratic system.

An official privy to the developments told The Express Tribune that the Presidency has not ruled out the entire episode being a well-thought-out attempt to weaken the civilian administration. A source close to Ambassador Haqqani even went to the extent of pointing fingers at certain elements of the security establishment.

“They (the security establishment) may not have been part of the conspiracy in the beginning, but now they may have decided to jump on the wagon,” the source claimed.

Ijaz is known for his strong anti-Pakistan and anti-military establishment views, the source added, questioning how the DG ISI just went ahead to meet a man with ‘dubious’ credentials.

Haqqani is expected to ask these counter- questions in his defence. A security official, when approached, termed the matter ‘very serious’ suggesting that someone will have to pay the price. “It is not that simple that you just escape by suggesting that this is a conspiracy,” said the official, who asked to remain anonymous.

However, it is said that President Zardari has no intentions to ‘ditch a person who has been the key mediator between him and Washington.’ “Even if Haqqani’s resignation is accepted, he is likely to be accommodated and offered a key government slot,” said a PPP member close to the Presidency.

Meanwhile, Haqqani’s wife Farahnaz Ispahani told reporters on Monday that she and her husband are ready to face any legal action regarding the controversy. Speaking to media outside the Supreme Court, Isphahani, who is also media adviser of the president, said they will sue Ijaz in court for what she called “falsely implicating her husband” if the top PPP leadership permits it.

Ijaz adamant

Ijaz, meanwhile, has alleged that he has known the ambassador for more than 11-12 years and that his claims of having met him three or four times were a “flat lie”. In an exclusive interview with Express 24/7’s Maria Zulfiqar, Ijaz said that the people of Pakistan should ask themselves why such a Herculean effort was being made to cover it all up. Ijaz said that it was a “conspiracy of the making of Haqqani and his boss or bosses”.

Responding to a question on who was “minding” Haqqani, Ijaz said that Zardari was involved. “There is a desperate attempt going on in Pakistan to create a firewall inside the PPP government between Haqqani and the president.”

Ijaz said that the president had explained his problem to Haqqani after the May 2 raid in Abbottabad (which killed Osama bin Laden) and that Haqqani had given his assurance that he would “take care of it”.

“I do not believe today that Zardari had any knowledge of the specifics of the memo … I do believe he gave a blanket approval to Haqqani. “It is very clear Zardari is giving the orders but the question is where instructions to Zardari coming from?”

Ijaz said that the objective of the memo was to get Mullen to make a call to Kayani for a private chat between the two army chiefs to say that “let’s take stock of the situation and calm everyone down”. He said that the objective had been achieved and that the feedback from both sides was the same.

“They can run and hide all they want, the facts are already there. Nobody can challenge my facts,” he added. He said Haqqani had used him because he was a “plausibly deniable” person. He said the option of delivering the message verbally was also there, but the option was too soft for him. “If things went wrong, I would be the only one who would get burned. I am shocked the government of Pakistan is hell bent on covering this up”. He said the government should own up to the memo and say “damn right we wrote the memo, because we were afraid that the boots were coming.”

Responding to a question on when he would go to Pakistan to testify, he said he did not care who called him as long as it was an official process.

(Read: The case of the crooked missive)

(WITH INPUT FROM SHAHERYAR POPALZAI)

Published in The Express Tribune, November 22nd, 2011.

which one you believe Haqqani or Ijaz? Please make comments of your thoughts.
 
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He maybe anti-pakistan and anti-military but so is this current PPP government and Haqqani. I could so see Zardari asking for America's help against the Pakistan military. PPP has been anti-military ever since Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was hanged. PML-N also has become extremely anti-military after the 1999 coup.

The Pakistan Military should take notice of these political parties.
 
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Ijaz looks more reliable so far since he has shown proofs. Also some News channels reported that Ijaz moved away from his stance that zardari order him and then refuse this claim. But i saw his first interview, 2nd interview and all others, he never said all words came from zardari he just said zardari ask for the help from haqqani, and he (haqqani) dictated Ijaz to write a letter. And last, we can expect anything from Zardari and his toola.

If it is made up, then someone really toke two birds from one stone. But i don't think any one could be against army as well as PPP together. Any ways let see...
 
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Ijaz's father left Pakistan when our constitution deemed Ahmadi's as non-muslims.....and he vowed revenge............
 
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Ijaz's father left Pakistan when our constitution deemed Ahmadi's as non-muslims.....and he vowed revenge............

And how is getting rid of Hussain Haqqani and Zardari revenge?

He is doing Pakistan a favor.
 
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And how is getting rid of Hussain Haqqani and Zardari revenge?

He is doing Pakistan a favor.
WOW Sir I think you don't know the history of this man Sir he has always talked against Pakistan Nuclear Program asks Pakistan to accept Israel and always have tried to create difference between civilian and Armed Forces talks against Kashmir stand of Pakistan and talks bad against Palestine he has great history of propagating against Pakistan
 
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I believe Haqqani..... This Govt is corrupt but we should not let the system derail.... Lets NOT start from point zero again......Let the system roll.... If we topple this Govt now they'll have excuse of not have full five years.... So let them have their five years and then select someone you trust... be it PMLN or PTI or Q or MMA ..... just vote for who you like..... If we keep this process in 20 to 25 years our children will see a much much better Pakistan and will thank us......
 
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WOW Sir I think you don't know the history of this man Sir he has always talked against Pakistan Nuclear Program asks Pakistan to accept Israel and always have tried to create difference between civilian and Armed Forces talks against Kashmir stand of Pakistan and talks bad against Palestine he has great history of propagating against Pakistan

He can talk all he wants. It doesnt change the fact that we still have a growing Nuclear program, we still have Azad Kashmir, and we still dont recognize Israel.

He did one good thing for Pakistan. He got rid of Hussain Haqqani from Washington D.C. and brought him to Pakistan so he never goes back to Washington D.C. to work against Pakistan's interest.

You see Ijaz has no power, he only talks like many anti-pakistan people in the west. Hussain Haqqani was the Pakistan Ambassdor to U.S., he had power and he was working against Pakistan's interests in Washington D.C.
 
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He can talk all he wants. It doesnt change the fact that we still have a growing Nuclear program, we still have Azad Kashmir, and we still dont recognize Israel.

He did one good thing for Pakistan. He got rid of Hussain Haqqani from Washington D.C. and brought him to Pakistan so he never goes back to Washington D.C. to work against Pakistan's interest.

You see Ijaz has no power, he only talks like many anti-pakistan people in the west. Hussain Haqqani was the Pakistan Ambassdor to U.S., he had power and he was working against Pakistan's interests in Washington D.C.
Sir why are you acting so innocent Why are you thinking this idiot will be doing anything good for Pakistan Sir this idiot most probably have some other plans on the way for Pakistan so don't be happy even if because of him Haqqani is gone you will see soon what will happen next
 
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Assalam alaikum

It might make many of my brothers angry, i think all of them lying

humaray sub leader including army all of them apna rona u.s k samnay rotay hain, shame

TARIQ

No doubt on that..... And thats because of uncertainty in political process.... One day Jamhoriat 2nd day amriyat and 3rd day again jamhoriat.......
 
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Sir why are you acting so innocent Why are you thinking this idiot will be doing anything good for Pakistan Sir this idiot most probably have some other plans on the way for Pakistan so don't be happy even if because of him Haqqani is gone you will see soon what will happen next

I am being realistic. This Ijaz guy can not do anything to Pakistan. He is a Pakistani-American businessman living in U.S. He probably doesnt even have Pakistani citizenship.

If he has the power to harm Pakistan just because he makes propaganda against Pakistan, then all Indians have power because they make up propaganda against Pakistan each and every day.

And ISI and Pak Fauj are very intelligent. They know whats going on. So leave everything to ISI and Pak Fauj. Just sit and relax, nothing can happen to Pakistan.

And Hussain Haqqani should not return to Washington D.C.
Pakistan government should appoint an honest patriotic Pakistani as Pakistan's Ambassador to the U.S. who will work for Pakistan's interests in Washington D.C.

Hussain Haqqani should stay in Pakistan.
 
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Sir why are you acting so innocent Why are you thinking this idiot will be doing anything good for Pakistan Sir this idiot most probably have some other plans on the way for Pakistan so don't be happy even if because of him Haqqani is gone you will see soon what will happen next

This make senses only if, Ijaz been used to dis-stable Pakistani Government and PA to force GoP out, and western power use power against Pakistan Army same way they did against other dictators. Otherwise, this doesn't !! Why would Ijaz go against his friend's government as well as against PA same time?
 
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This make senses only if, Ijaz been used to dis-stable Pakistani Government and PA to force GoP out, and western power use power against Pakistan Army same why they did against other dictators. Otherwise, this doesn't !! Why would Ijaz go against his friend's government as well as against PA same time?

Best thing would be not to involve anyone from America in this including Ijaz. Pakistani military and Pakistan government should settle this issue privately, but at the same time its important to appoint a new Pakistan Ambassador to the United States, someone who will work for Pakistan's interests only and someone who will not go out of his way to impress Americans. And its important that Hussain Haqqani stays in Pakistan.
 
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Zardari is saved by Pentagon

No evidence Zardari sent memo: Pentagon



Updated at: 0347 PST, Tuesday, November 22, 2011
PENTAGON: Pentagon Spokesman John Kirby has said that the memo sent by Pakistani origin US citizen Mansoor Ijaz was not credible and Mike Mullen was confident that it was not sent by President Zardari.

In a statement, Pentagon Spokesman Kirby said former US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen neither knew Mansoor Ijaz and nor did he ever communicate with him.

Kirby said Admiral Mullen knew intermediary who brought secret memo to him, adding that the memo was not signed and was not credible.

There was nothing in the memo that indicated that it was from President Zardari, he added.
 
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