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Which is more powerful? Russia or NATO?

Which is more powerful?


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Europe section became a childrens playground just like ME section.

Next time open a thread about whose wiener is bigger, Obama or Putin. :coffee:

Well, nevermind Putin would loose anyway. :lol:
 
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Nop. Su-35S, T-90MS, Ka-52 are all better than NATO weapons. The US is far away and cannot effectively engage Russia in Europe.




M = modernized. S = serial production.
Dude you can compare individual weapons and everything but Nato has more new vehicles, jets etc. than russia does meaning it has the technological advantage.

How many t 90's does russia have? How many tigr, btr 90's? How about navy comparison?
 
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M = modernized. S = serial production.

U = idiot.

Nato has the numerical, and technological advantage.

The u,s already has more troops than russia. Add turkey, Britain, germany, france etc. and you are already at like 4 million +.

the kid is just trolling , he opened up about 10 other threads comparing NATO to others
 
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Russia has balls that NATO lacks! just see in Ukraine if you push Putin too far the bear will hit back
 
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Russia has balls that NATO lacks! just see in Ukraine if you push Putin too far the bear will hit back


Wait till the U.S. builds bases and missile shield in Poland and the Baltics. Vladi will crap his pants.
 
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Wait till the U.S. builds bases and missile shield in Poland and the Baltics. Vladi will crap his pants.

The US went back on it's agreement and Ukraine was a push too far, Poland is understandable but where is your missile shield? remember Cuba? you yanks had to do a secret deal and remove the missiles from Turkey.
 
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The US went back on it's agreement and Ukraine was a push too far, Poland is understandable but where is your missile shield? remember Cuba? you yanks had to do a secret deal and remove the missiles from Turkey.

Cuba ? You mean 1962 ? Really ?
 
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Cuba ? You mean 1962 ? Really ?


Cuban missile crisis there was a deal made where US removed it's missiles from Turkey in exchange for Cuba's missiles and Ukraine is on the door to Russia they are not going to take this lying down. If the west pushes Russia too far the bear will hit back and will rape Ukraine so hard the yanks will do **** all about it but threaten sanctions mark my words.
 
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Cuban missile crisis there was a deal made where US removed it's missiles from Turkey in exchange for Cuba's missiles and Ukraine is on the door to Russia they are not going to take this lying down. If the west pushes Russia too far the bear will hit back and will rape Ukraine so hard the yanks will do **** all about it but threaten sanctions mark my words.

That's my point. That was 52 years ago. Things are a bit different now. And the U.S.S.R. removed their stuff from Cuba publicly while the world didn't know about the U.S./Turkey thing till years later.
 
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That's my point. That was 52 years ago. Things are a bit different now. And the U.S.S.R. removed their stuff from Cuba publicly while the world didn't know about the U.S./Turkey thing till years later.

yes it was a secret deal but they got what they wanted yes or no? and where is your missile shield? will my grandkids be able to witness it in Poland? or Czech?

You can not do as you please and come to Slavic countries and expect the Russians to do nothing, every action will have a reaction! do not push Putin or the bear in Ukraine it is their front door and they will snap and it will be bloody trust me.
 
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... and where is your missile shield? will my grandkids be able to witness it in Poland? or Czech?

You can not do as you please and come to Slavic countries and expect the Russians to do nothing, every action will have a reaction! do not push Putin or the bear in Ukraine it is their front door and they will snap and it will be bloody trust me.


We've been 40 miles from Russia for years, now and Vladi didn't say squat. And more is coming.:usflag:


U.S. Army's presence in Poland most significant since World War II


By Jennifer H. Svan
Stars And Stripes
Published: July 23, 2010


KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany – For the first time since the end of World War II, U.S. Army soldiers are making regular rotations into Poland, this time to train its forces to use Patriot missiles.

Forty miles from the Russian border, a small group of U.S. Army Europe soldiers is instructing the Polish military about the missiles, which are designed to counter tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and advanced aircraft.

The Kaiserslautern-based 5th Battalion, 7th Air Defense Artillery troops mark the most significant presence of U.S. forces in Poland since the end of World War II, said Lt. Col. Daniel Herrigstad, a U.S. Army Europe spokesman.

“We have between 80 and 150 troops going there on a regular basis,” he said. “We’ve never had that number and for that long of a period.”

Based at a Polish army base in Morag, a small town in the country’s northeast, the U.S. soldiers will conduct 30 days of training with the Polish military four times a year, for the next two years, Herrigstad said. The first soldiers arrived in late May, along with six Patriot launching platforms and other battery equipment.

It’s a mission that stems from a 2008 defense agreement between the United States and Poland. The intent of the training, U.S. military officials say, is to help Poland, a staunch U.S. ally and North Atlantic Treaty Organization member, improve its air defense capabilities.

The move at first appeared to anger Russia, especially with the drills taking place 40 miles from Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave on the Baltic Sea that’s home to naval and air bases. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in January, when the location was announced, that he couldn’t comprehend the need “to create the impression as if Poland is bracing itself against Russia,” according to the Associated Press.

Robert Donaldson, a specialist on Russian foreign policy and trustees’ professor of political science at the University of Tulsa, said he thinks Russia’s grumbling is mostly rhetoric.

The Patriot deployment is more symbolic than strategic, he said, a consolation prize after a larger missile defense agreement hammered out under the Bush administration was later scrapped by President Barack Obama. That plan called for the installation of a controversial anti-missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic and was vehemently opposed by Russia.

“Patriot missiles are strictly defensive systems,” Donaldson said. “It would not be something Russia could claim could threaten them. The Poles are looking for approval and rewards for their very close devotion to American forces and U.S. defense policy. I don’t see any particular use (for the Patriots) unless it’s some sort of anti-Iranian defense.”

Currently, 90 soldiers are training about 30 Polish air force officers “on basic tasks taught to all Patriot soldiers,” such as how to set up and maintain the equipment, said Army Capt. Andrew Lowe, Bravo Battery commander. “Each rotation will have a different focus.”

Eventually, live missiles will be incorporated, Herrigstad said, at a site to be determined, since Morag doesn’t have adequate storage facilities for the warheads. The missiles will be used for handling, storage and maintenance training, and won’t be operational, Herrigstad said.
 
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We've been 40 miles from Russia for years, now and Vladi didn't say squat. And more is coming.:usflag:
U.S. Army's presence in Poland most significant since World War II

By Jennifer H. Svan
Stars And Stripes
Published: July 23, 2010


KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany – For the first time since the end of World War II, U.S. Army soldiers are making regular rotations into Poland, this time to train its forces to use Patriot missiles.

Forty miles from the Russian border, a small group of U.S. Army Europe soldiers is instructing the Polish military about the missiles, which are designed to counter tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and advanced aircraft.

The Kaiserslautern-based 5th Battalion, 7th Air Defense Artillery troops mark the most significant presence of U.S. forces in Poland since the end of World War II, said Lt. Col. Daniel Herrigstad, a U.S. Army Europe spokesman.

“We have between 80 and 150 troops going there on a regular basis,” he said. “We’ve never had that number and for that long of a period.”

Based at a Polish army base in Morag, a small town in the country’s northeast, the U.S. soldiers will conduct 30 days of training with the Polish military four times a year, for the next two years, Herrigstad said. The first soldiers arrived in late May, along with six Patriot launching platforms and other battery equipment.

It’s a mission that stems from a 2008 defense agreement between the United States and Poland. The intent of the training, U.S. military officials say, is to help Poland, a staunch U.S. ally and North Atlantic Treaty Organization member, improve its air defense capabilities.

The move at first appeared to anger Russia, especially with the drills taking place 40 miles from Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave on the Baltic Sea that’s home to naval and air bases. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in January, when the location was announced, that he couldn’t comprehend the need “to create the impression as if Poland is bracing itself against Russia,” according to the Associated Press.

Robert Donaldson, a specialist on Russian foreign policy and trustees’ professor of political science at the University of Tulsa, said he thinks Russia’s grumbling is mostly rhetoric.

The Patriot deployment is more symbolic than strategic, he said, a consolation prize after a larger missile defense agreement hammered out under the Bush administration was later scrapped by President Barack Obama. That plan called for the installation of a controversial anti-missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic and was vehemently opposed by Russia.

“Patriot missiles are strictly defensive systems,” Donaldson said. “It would not be something Russia could claim could threaten them. The Poles are looking for approval and rewards for their very close devotion to American forces and U.S. defense policy. I don’t see any particular use (for the Patriots) unless it’s some sort of anti-Iranian defense.”

Currently, 90 soldiers are training about 30 Polish air force officers “on basic tasks taught to all Patriot soldiers,” such as how to set up and maintain the equipment, said Army Capt. Andrew Lowe, Bravo Battery commander. “Each rotation will have a different focus.”

Eventually, live missiles will be incorporated, Herrigstad said, at a site to be determined, since Morag doesn’t have adequate storage facilities for the warheads. The missiles will be used for handling, storage and maintenance training, and won’t be operational, Herrigstad said.


Buddy that is a 2010 article and much has changed since that was written!

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Yup, 2010. And we are STILL there and expanding. Wait till the F-16's start landing.

f16'S can land in Poland so what? lol you think the Russians going to be scared of f16's? when they have S-300 and S-400 missile systems in place? they will shoot them down like if they wanted to.

What can NATO do in Ukraine? nothing but watch and threaten with sanctions
 
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