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According to the Rural Education Action Program (REAP) at Stanford University, high school attendance rates are as low as 40 percent in poor, rural areas of China. The dropout rate runs as high as 25 percent in middle schools. The schools are often run down and poorly staffed. Classrooms packed with 130 students have been reported. Children must often work to help provide for their families, and secondary school fees (high schools charge tuition) are too high for many parents. It is clear that the student sample sitting for PISA is not representative of rural Chinese youth as a whole, but hails only from families strongly committed to formal education and able to afford the tuitions and fees of high school.

And, once again, do not forget that the provinces with PISA test scores were not selected randomly; they were those approved for participation by the Chinese government. All of these elements undermine the representativeness of the PISA scores.


According to deputy principal and director of the International Division at Peking University High School, Jiang Xuegin:

Shanghai parents will annually spend on average of 6,000 yuan on English and math tutors and 9,600 yuan on weekend activities, such as tennis and piano. During the high school years, annual tutoring costs shoot up to 30,000 yuan and the cost of activities doubles to 19,200 yuan.

The typical Chinese worker cannot afford such vast sums. Consider this: at the high school level, the total expenses for tutoring and weekend activities in Shanghai exceed what the average Chinese worker makes in a year (about 42,000 yuan or $6,861).



Anyway, Since I wrote this, I am expecting attacks from Chinese to refute this. :laugh:

OUCH .... that must hurt :lol:
 
Kids from rural area of TN once participated in PISA test, in case of China the kids participated were from affluent families of Shanghai where they spend too much on education and all those kids were approved by Chinese communist party and by this Chinese proved that they are best in the world. :omghaha::omghaha:

Ah that explains it. I wonder what would happen if we sent like even the bottom 2% of out IIT aspirants. The naysayers would be in for a massive shock.

Shanghai students aren't even the best in CHina.
PISA测试 浙江省普通中学学生试测成绩获世界第二-浙江新闻-浙江在线

Indian sent its strongest , Tamil Nadu, which top all Indian states with about 100% Gross Enrollment Ratio (GER). Yet you came second last :laughcry:

"Industry body Assocham ranks Tamil Nadu top among Indian states with about 100% Gross Enrollment Ratio (GER) in primary and upper primary education
Tamil Nadu boosts of best school enrolment figures, Tamil Nadu News - By Indiaedunews.net
 
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Shanghai students aren't even the best in CHina.

Indian sent in your strongest , Tamil Nadu, which top all Indian states with about 100% Gross Enrollment Ratio (GER) in primary and upper primary education. Yet you came second last :laughcry:

Try to find some basic convincing logic.
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PISA's China Problem | Brookings Institution

According to the Rural Education Action Program (REAP) at Stanford University, high school attendance rates are as low as 40 percent in poor, rural areas of China. The dropout rate runs as high as 25 percent in middle schools. The schools are often run down and poorly staffed. Classrooms packed with 130 students have been reported. Children must often work to help provide for their families, and secondary school fees (high schools charge tuition) are too high for many parents. It is clear that the student sample sitting for PISA is not representative of rural Chinese youth as a whole, but hails only from families strongly committed to formal education and able to afford the tuitions and fees of high school.

And, once again, do not forget that the provinces with PISA test scores were not selected randomly; they were those approved for participation by the Chinese government. All of these elements undermine the representativeness of the PISA scores.

According to deputy principal and director of the International Division at Peking University High School, Jiang Xuegin:

Shanghai parents will annually spend on average of 6,000 yuan on English and math tutors and 9,600 yuan on weekend activities, such as tennis and piano. During the high school years, annual tutoring costs shoot up to 30,000 yuan and the cost of activities doubles to 19,200 yuan.

The typical Chinese worker cannot afford such vast sums. Consider this: at the high school level, the total expenses for tutoring and weekend activities in Shanghai exceed what the average Chinese worker makes in a year (about 42,000 yuan or $6,861).



Anyway, Since I wrote this, I am expecting attacks from Chinese to refute this. :laugh:


That unsubstantiated article has been debunked by OECD director himself! Yet you kept recycling it, truly pathetic :laughcry:

Source: OECD educationtoday: Are the Chinese cheating in PISA or are we cheating ourselves?

Are the Chinese cheating in PISA or are we cheating ourselves?
by Andreas Schleicher
Deputy Director for Education and Skills and Special Advisor on Education Policy to the OECD's Secretary General


Whenever an American or European wins an Olympic gold medal, we cheer them as heroes. When a Chinese does, the first reflex seems to be that they must have been doping; or if that’s taking it too far, that it must have been the result of inhumane training.

There seem to be parallels to this in education. Only hours after results from the latest PISA assessment showed Shanghai’s school system leading the field, Time magazine concluded the Chinese must have been cheating. They didn't bother to read the PISA 2012 Technical Background Annex, which shows there was no cheating, whatsoever, involved. Nor did they speak with the experts who had drawn the samples or with the international auditors who had carefully reviewed and validated the sample for Shanghai and those of other countries.

Others were quick to suggest that resident internal migrants might not be covered by Shanghai’s PISA sample, because years ago those migrants wouldn't have had access to Shanghai’s schools. But, like many things in China, that has long changed and, as described by PISA, resident migrants were covered by the PISA samples in exactly the way they are covered in other countries and education systems. Still, it seems to be easier to cling to old stereotypes than keep up with changes on the ground (or to read thePISA report).

True, like other emerging economies, Shanghai is still building its education system and not every 15-year-old makes it yet to high school. As a result of this and other factors, the PISA 2012 sample covers only 79% of the 15-year-olds in Shanghai. But that is far from unique. Even the United States, the country with the longest track record of universal high-school education, covered less than 90% of its 15-year-olds in PISA - and it didn't include Puerto Rico in its PISA sample, a territory that is unlikely to have pulled up U.S. average performance.

International comparisons are never easy and they are never perfect. But anyone who takes a serious look at the facts and figures will concede that the samples used for PISA result in robust and internationally comparable data. They have been carefully designed and validated to be fit for purpose in collaboration with the world’s leading experts, and the tests are administered under strict and internationally comparable conditions. Anyone who really wants to find out can review the underlying data.

Short of arguments about methodology, some people turn to dismissing Shanghai’s strong performance by saying that Shanghai’s students are only good on the kind of tasks that are easy to teach and easy to test, and that those things are losing in relevance because they are also the kind of things that are easy to digitise, automate and outsource. But while the latter is true, the former is not. Consider this: Only 2% of American 15-year-olds and 3% of European ones reach the highest level of math performance in PISA, demonstrating that they can conceptualise, generalise and use math based on their investigations and apply their knowledge in novel contexts. In Shanghai it is over 30%. Educators in Shanghai have simply understood that the world economy will pay an ever-rising premium on excellence and no longer value people for what they know, but for what they can do with what they know.

PISA didn't just test what 15-year-olds know in mathematics, it also asked them what they believe makes them succeed. In many countries, students were quick to blame everyone but themselves: More than three-quarters of the students in France, an average performer on the PISA test, said the course material was simply too hard, two-thirds said the teacher did not get students interested in the material, and half said their teacher did not explain the concepts well or they were just unlucky. The results are very different for Shanghai. Students there believe they will succeed if they try hard and they trust their teachers to help them succeed. That tells us a lot about school education. And guess which of these two countries keeps improving and which is not? The fact that students in some countries consistently believe that achievement is mainly a product of hard work, rather than inherited intelligence, suggests that education and its social context can make a difference in instilling the values that foster success in education.

And even those who claim that the relative standing of countries in PISA mainly reflects social and cultural factors must concede that educational improvement is possible: In mathematics, countries like Brazil, Turkey, Mexico or Tunisia rose from the bottom; Italy, Portugal and the Russian Federation have advanced to the average of the industrialised world or close to it; Germany and Poland rose from average to good, and Shanghai and Singapore have moved from good to great. Indeed, of the 65 participating countries, 45 saw improvement in at least one subject area. These countries didn't change their culture, or the composition of their population, nor did they fire their teachers. They changed their education policies and practices. Learning from these countries should be our focus. We will be cheating ourselves and the children in our schools if we miss that chance.

International comparisons are never easy and they aren’t perfect. But PISA shows what is possible in education, it takes away excuses from those who are complacent, and it helps countries see themselves in the mirror of the educational results and educational opportunities delivered by the world’s leaders in education. The world has become indifferent to tradition and past reputations, unforgiving of frailty and ignorant of custom or practice. Success will go to those individuals, institutions and countries which are swift to adapt, slow to complain and open to change. And the task for governments is to help citizens rise to this challenge. PISA can help to make that happen.
 
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OUCH .... that must hurt :lol:

Not really.

高等教育毛入学率 - 百度百科

1978年,中国的高等教育毛入学率只有1.55%,1988年达到3.7%,1998年升至9.76%。1999年开始大学扩招,高等教育毛入学率快速 上升,2002年达到15%,高等教育从精英教育阶段进入大众化阶段。2007年中国高等教育毛入学率达到23%。2010年,中国高等教育毛入学率达到 26.5%。2012年,中国高等教育毛入学率达到30%。中国提出的目标是到2015年达到36%,2020年达到40%。

In 1978, college attendance rate in China is 1.55%
In 1978, college attendance rate in China is 3.7%
In 1998, college attendance rate in China is 9.76%
In 2002, college attendance rate in China is 15% (Benchmark year, since 15% college is the international benchmark signifying that a country's higher education availability has transitioned from only being available to elites towards the general population.)
In 2007, college attendance rate in China is 23%
In 2012, college attendance rate in China is 30%
Future target for China will be to reach 36% college attendance rate by 2015 and reach 40% by 2020.

While the current 30% college attendance rate is smaller than US, which has a 55.6% college attendance rate if you include 2 year programs. (Though if you only count four year programs and above, the rate will be 38.54%). It is way higher than India's 5.8%. You would be very hard press to find a developing country that has better college attendance than China. More importantly, the college attendance rate of China has been increasing consistently and rapidly in the past three decades.

The thing about college attendance rate in developing countries is that these countries has very low infrastructure to start with. Take China and India, for example, both countries are only rid of the foreign invaders on their land around late 1940s, so of course it takes time to build up infrastructure and setting up education facilities.
 
Children in Asian countries are on average better problem solvers than their European and American peers, according to a new study by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Doesn't surprise me much.

When I went to school, my day to day school life consisted of learnign proper cursive handwriting, learning grammar, learning maths, learning poetry by heart, physical education, a good amount of pressure to perform (induced by BOTH parents and teachers), teachers as persons of authority etc. and on top of that a generous amount of home work every evening.

Today, school in Western Europe consists of.......not much really.......And the consequences can be seen (in everyday life, on the labour market etc).

Maths? Grammar? Ain't nobody got time fo dat!

On a side note, a couple of day ago I read an article (on Gizmodo IIRC) about a Korean elite high school...Very interesting on many levels...
 
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