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Which ASEAN Country Will Become The World's Next Manufacturing Hub?

Lol, common knowledge? So it must be wildly use on net then, can you site American Veteran vietnam war site that got defination of slang they use in Vietnam war pls?

Sure "take it or regret it", but i mention to you already, TPP is multilateral agreements, not between two countries, you need to read carefully, OK?

LoL, that one about Khmer you also need back up to your claim, source?
Yeah sure,i'm brainwashed, happy right? I mention @Nihonjin1051 because he was Japanese here and you want to know about TPPs document right. U keep judging the thing you not know much about as you said it is still overwhelm secret. I mention @Yorozuya as he was Northern Vietnamese, any prob?

Yeah right, like you don't even write propaganda, look at your previous post 1st, so where is defination of VC blogger?


Sorry my friend I will not waste my time in trying to debate with impudent individuals as the one you are engaging in in prior post. Apologies but I will not acquiesce to your request. I am a Ph.D scholar and university instructor who has published in peer reviewed journals. I will not waste my time in trying to engage low-educated trolls. It is beneath me.

Thanks.
 
Why you use so much insult word, i thought it was banned in the forum.?You made a generalization just based on your personal feel, without any concrete evidence or fact, is that a blank statement? If it is wasting your times, why bother reply back then, got nothing to do? Don't know why this kind of topic come up, you always find the reason to bash either VN or Malay


1) the East Asia Economic Caucus (EAEC) or East Asia Economic Group (EAEG) was a regional (FTA) proposed in 1990 and encompasses the (ASEAN) member states, China, South Korea and Japan. Japan though refused participation due to the exclusion of the Western nations, which were already members of APEC and many other notable regional organizations in East Asia.TPP is an expansion of the (TPSEP or P4), and in 2008, America got invited under Bush administration, it was aim to open up market and investment oversea back then

2) 3/4 population in VN got cover by Internet, and govt got very little control in media nowadays, there are over thousand of press and blogs on the Internet, civil society aspect and civil media are booming, you can read article by
William Taylor for that issue at asiafoundation org

3) Why give example of Philippine, it mostly rule by rich family that run for election, all they care about is the vote and power, ordinary folk got not much say about it and that was going on for decade @Cossack25A1, they are not real and liberal democracy . Let's take Canada for example on issue of TPP. In Canada there are large internal divisions when the country's western provinces is very strong support for the participation in TPP agreement will boost exports to oversea. In contrast, the eastern province protested, saying that the agreement will affect the dairy industry and automobiles in Canada. Different group of people in the country got different interest, if you take PH, i'm sure it also got supporter and oppose on the issue. Vietnam also got group of officer that opposed the deal as it may reduce the revenue as imported tax reduced and ease on visa issue, and independent trade union and livestock. But guess who is against TPP the most in VN, it is the SOEs!!!!!

4) Do you got evident for your claim, or it is an false statement? Foreign press are uncensored in VN and as above govt got very little control of media nowadays and in VN it was kind of collective leadership not strongman like say CHina or Russia.

Let's me explain:
Vietnam’s top three leaders (the “troika”) have worked to ensure that their distinct powers are protected in two important ways. First, their constitutional compromise allows that each of them receive one of the top-ranking positions in the VCP. With this arrangement, there is a need to forge consensus positions on policy issues, ultimately eliminating the extreme shifts from left to right. Second, their different constitutional powers allow for patronage politics and scope for cultivation of a loyal following. One had the VCP and state-owned enterprises (SOEs). Other had control of the bureaucracy. And last one had power over the military and its sizable business sector, with nearly 70,000 soldiers (12 percent of the standing army) employed full-time in over 100 military-owned commercial enterprises
@Yorozuya , @JaiMin , @Carlosa , @Viet, @Rechoice, @Viva_Viet , @dichoi , @DaiViet

5) In U.S.A, if you got the vote from important state then even if you got lower vote, you still hold and got the power, it was the case of Bush back in the days. @C130, @jhungary

6)It was an agreement between countries that no data will release after negotiation is close, it was the case 1st applied by P4 countries. Why blame Malaysia only? TPP should be approved by Parliament Malaysia. Minister of Commerce Malaysia, Mustapa Mohamed said he expected the TPP to the country's parliamentarians in several weeks.Despite the opposition, the coalition of Prime Minister Najib Razak control about 60% of the Malaysian Parliament, should work through TPP expected no difficulties. More likely, Congress will consider TPP Malaysia in 2016. I read the news, Japan govt just got PDF about TPPs but it is in Japanese, mb ask @Nihonjin1051 out?

7) TPP is multilateral agreements, all participating countries accept the same rules should negotiations not necessarily reciprocal nature that complex, more multi-layered: a country A proposed benefit to B, in return, it requires from country D to E some benefits that last around that make the country B will make concessions. If it is your point then it is no need to take over 5 years of negotiation, AMerica is the master, they command , it will be fast and EZ right?

8) Do you have evident to back up your claim or it is make up again?

9) Patents and copy right is between 3-8 years under pressure from members state to US, and it is depend vastly on their economic status. SOme less developed countries will get span of time before the law implement on them. You made up everything will be 12 years like US?

lol its just a waste of time to argue with this @CAPRICORN-88 guy. Is he still trying to argue that the TPP originated from the EAEC? lol he still haven’t addressed my points I raised about some contrary elements between the TPP and EAEC. When he can’t argue and provide the proper data, he will eventually just ignore the topic and end up spamming the threads with pictures like a kid. See this thread here:

Chinese netizens’ angst over TPP: “Why won’t they play with us?” | Page 2

So, its a total waste of time arguing with him.
 
lol its just a waste of time to argue with this @CAPRICORN-88 guy. Is he still trying to argue that the TPP originated from the EAEC? lol he still haven’t addressed my points I raised about some contrary elements between the TPP and EAEC. When he can’t argue and provide the proper data, he will eventually just ignore the topic and end up spamming the threads with pictures like a kid. See this thread here:

Chinese netizens’ angst over TPP: “Why won’t they play with us?” | Page 2

So, its a total waste of time arguing with him.

Probably a reconstituted impudent , just put him on the ignore list. A total waste of time for us.

And his argumentative style is just so elementary. Its just so sad how simplistic some people are.

Oi Vei. O well.

*sips coffee*

lol its just a waste of time to argue with this @CAPRICORN-88 guy. Is he still trying to argue that the TPP originated from the EAEC? lol he still haven’t addressed my points I raised about some contrary elements between the TPP and EAEC. When he can’t argue and provide the proper data, he will eventually just ignore the topic and end up spamming the threads with pictures like a kid. See this thread here:

Chinese netizens’ angst over TPP: “Why won’t they play with us?” | Page 2

So, its a total waste of time arguing with him.

And you as a GRADUATE STUDENT, shouldn't even waste time with people like that.
 
Probably a reconstituted impudent , just put him on the ignore list. A total waste of time for us.

And his argumentative style is just so elementary. Its just so sad how simplistic some people are.

Oi Vei. O well.

*sips coffee*



And you as a GRADUATE STUDENT, shouldn't even waste time with people like that.

When you get some writer’s block, its sometime fun to take a break and switch over to something like PDF to “discuss” with such members like him, especially when it is just some clicks away.

But I think you are right, even that is still a waste of time.
 
When you get some writer’s block, its sometime fun to take a break and switch over to something like PDF to “discuss” with such members like him, especially when it is just some clicks away.

But I think you are right, even that is still a waste of time.

Its not even fun anymore tho. Because many of them just repeat / parrot the same thing over and over again. Its like ...really? And when you ask them to explain a process, they can't or won't. They'll just parrot the same thing again and again ad nauseum.

One loses neurons in the process. LOL.
 
In fact if we talking about "next Manufacturing Hub", I will not even think about any ASEAN countrys in like 30 years. The only choice is maybe India.

In my opinion, Manufacturing Hub need 3 elements: Source, Population, Market.
Population is important because it provide the workers, and also you can't just hold the big Manufacturing only depands on your outside market.

There used to be UK, US, Japan, German, China.
UK is the first one because the Industrial Revolution happened there, and UK as the empire on which the sun never sets, has all three: Source, Population, Market. After the fell of the empire, now UK is also no more there.
US after that take the place from UK as a Inherit, because also in the Anglo-Saxon culture with UK, because the contibute in WW1 and WW2. And also the global market, which is secrute by all the american oversea bases. And the global trade dream lead american to the way of Deindustrialization.
Then is Japan. Japan has the work hard culture, and also exchange his own national security with america, get the US protected source and market.
German is a little like Japan, but and also a little different. German with French build the EU, which provide German the solid dreaming place, included exchangeable Source, Humanresouce and a big free Market. EU fall will make German fall.(Source, Market are also the reason German and Japan start the WW1 and WW2.)
China has Source, Population, Market already, but with the help of WTO, china can achieve everything more quickly and better.

In this case, I can only see India has the potential, because India has already Source, Population, Market. But India has also problem. I'm not sure the future Manufacturing still will be the population intensive. If Industrial Revolution happens again, India will have a big problem to provide enough food and also enough work to the people, not mention with the competition of China, because China has also a big population to feed, which means China will not give up esaily.
As Vietnam and Indonisia, the first thing is they have not Source, Market. Because ASEAN is not even a little like EU, even after 30 years. In this case for example Vietnam want to be a be a "Manufacturing Hub", has to give up something to exchange the protection of source and a open market(no one will open for total free). And the otherside of exchange can only be USA, EU or China, which can provide a big enough market for a "Manufacturing Hub". And the TPP is not this kind exchange, TPP will help Vietnam, but not big enough to suport Vietnam to be a "Manufacturing Hub".
 
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Sorry my friend I will not waste my time in trying to debate with impudent individuals as the one you are engaging in in prior post. Apologies but I will not acquiesce to your request. I am a Ph.D scholar and university instructor who has published in peer reviewed journals. I will not waste my time in trying to engage low-educated trolls. It is beneath me.

Thanks.
Yep,true, we should avoid feeding troll and learn from each other in useful and friendly discussion. I hope you will discuss with your students about the benefit from TPP to each member and negative impact to none TPP ones.

Dont forget to tell your student about Vnese prediction of TPP :laugh:
 
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Its all thanks for US-JP investments started in 1979 after CN surrenderred Senkaku, TW.

china surrendered "Senkaku, TW" in 1979? this this what the vietnamese education is teaching you ? lol go read a book or something

Without US-JP support, CN will look like N.K now. There would be No Jack Ma, no Alibaba cos no internet that US taught CN how to use.

markets work both ways, but of course you wouldn't understand that given what your general education seems like.
 
china surrendered "Senkaku, TW" in 1979? this this what the vietnamese education is teaching you ? lol go read a book or something



markets work both ways, but of course you wouldn't understand that given what your general education seems like.
work both way ?? Okay, just way for the next 6 years, you will see your RMB fall to half due to TPP like what we said.

Enough discussion with you guys cos you dont wanna face with the truth, talk with you again after 6 years :)
 
In fact if we talking about "next Manufacturing Hub", I will not even think about any ASEAN countrys in like 30 years. The only choice is maybe India.

In my opinion, Manufacturing Hub need 3 elements: Source, Population, Market.
Population is important because it provide the workers, and also you can't just hold the big Manufacturing only depands on your outside market.

There used to be UK, US, Japan, German, China.
UK is the first one because the Industrial Revolution happened there, and UK as the empire on which the sun never sets, has all three: Source, Population, Market. After the fell of the empire, now UK is also no more there.
US after that take the place from UK as a Inherit, because also in the Anglo-Saxon culture with UK, because the contibute in WW1 and WW2. And also the global market, which is secrute by all the american oversea bases. And the global trade dream lead american to the way of Deindustrialization.
Then is Japan. Japan has the work hard culture, and also exchange his own national security with america, get the US protected source and market.
German is a little like Japan, but and also a little different. German with French build the EU, which provide German the solid dreaming place, included exchangeable Source, Humanresouce and a big free Market. EU fall will make German fall.(Source, Market are also the reason German and Japan start the WW1 and WW2.)
China has Source, Population, Market already, but with the help of WTO, china can achieve everything more quickly and better.

In this case, I can only see India has the potential, because India has already Source, Population, Market. But India has also problem. I'm not sure the future Manufacturing still will be the population intensive. If Industrial Revolution happens again, India will have a big problem to provide enough food and also enough work to the people, not mention with the competition of China, because China has also a big population to feed, which means China will not give up esaily.
As Vietnam and Indonisia, the first thing is they have not Source, Market. Because ASEAN is not even a little like EU, even after 30 years. In this case for example Vietnam want to be a be a "Manufacturing Hub", has to give up something to exchange the protection of source and a open market(no one will open for total free). And the otherside of exchange can only be USA, EU or China, which can provide a big enough market for a "Manufacturing Hub". And the TPP is not this kind exchange, TPP will help Vietnam, but not big enough to suport Vietnam to be a "Manufacturing Hub".

It didn't stop the four Asian Tigers: South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong to become Asia Manufacturing Powerhouses.Their population and market are relatively small and resources extremely limited.

These countries achieve developed status because of Confucius hardworking culture, government support and industrial planning, educated workforce and R&D for innovation and growth.

IMO, Vietnam and Indonesia has the greatest potential. VN posses similar East Asian IQ and working culture. And are working toward the same path as China but at a much smaller scale. While Indonesia posses the same characterstics as the BRIC nations but at a smaller scale.

If you look at Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines and to a certain extent Malaysia. They are all laggards who are stuck in the middle income trap. They had a chance to industralize earlier but fail to capitalize on it and move up the value chain and are now competing against low wage countries.
 
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It didn't stop the four Asian Tigers: South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong to become Asia Manufacturing Powerhouses.Their population and market are relatively small and resources extremely limited.

These countries achieve developed status because of Confucius hardworking culture, government support and industrial planning, educated workforce and R&D for innovation and growth.

IMO, Vietnam and Indonesia have the greatest potiential. VN posses similar East Asian IQ and working culture. And are working toward the same path as China but at a much smaller scale. While Indonesia posses the same characterstics as the BRICS but at a much smaller scale.

If you look at Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines and to a certain extent Malaysia. They are all laggards who are stuck in the middle income trap. They had a chance to industralize earlier but fail to capitalize on it and move up the value chain and are now competing against low wage countries themselves.
I didn't mean Vietnam can't achieve industrialization, just like South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong, I mean Vietnam have no chance to be a "Manufacturing Hub", and also none of the 4 countrys used to be one.
 
How do you think I feel? Uncle Sam takes $60,000 in taxes from my annual income. Shiet and I can't even vote. LOL!

S'all good tho. I like them Benjaminz tho, baby. LOL
:pop:I remember that ur income in US is 50k$ ?
 
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