Which AESA radar fits better the JF-17 Block 3?

[SQ8]

Which tender?

Big one out right now. Chaklala

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

JHMCS is FMS. All FMS kit is ITAR and ITAR is not keenly considered for JFT. Targos via Turkey is impossible. Israel doesn't give Turkey its latest kit as they are future adversaries. Turkey is trying to make their own HMDS, but its horse shit claims from ASELSAN as usual: they will end up kit assembly like most of their current products. I give them 5 years till a flying prototype is ready, then another 3 years till any specific platform qualification.

...and I imagine the issue with South Africa is that there's a lot of inertia in the industry there, so there's no real push factor to make a Targo/A-Darter pairing happen.

 

[The SC]

Just a Myth , reality Chinese systems are as good as any systems and improving massively year by year.

KLJ-7A AESA Integrates well with our Chinese Awacs , less work for us to integrate
The Italian AESA solution , is ideal for F16 C/D Modenization

The minor visual display features will improve slowly , from practical prespective the systems are already at a level of performance where they get the Job Done

F-16 has its own tailor-made plug-and-play (in a few hours) APG-83 AESA Radar, it will be a good perspective for the Pakistani F-16s.. What is you take on it guys, can/should Pakistan try to get it on its F-16s.. my take is definitely yes, what about you?

@Oscar

APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) AESA for the F-16

http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/SABR/Pages/default.aspx

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

F-16 has its own tailor-made APG-83 AESA Radar, it will be a good perspective for the Pakistani F-16s.. What is you take on it guys, can/should Pakistan try to get it on its F-16s.. my take is definitely yes, what about you?

Depends on the U.S. If they approve the sale of AN/APG-83s, I reckon the PAF would want to upgrade the 18 Block-52+ since those fighters are expected to stay in service the longest.

The F-16A/Bs are reaching their 8,000 hour lifespan, but if there are 2,000+ hours left on average, then it's a discretion call; South Korea is paying around $7 million per plane for its radar and avionics upgrade (link).

ACM Sohail Aman also said that the PAF is still engaged with the U.S. for F-16s. I think it's plausible to imagine a purchase (or request) of 18 new-built F-16s. If they ask for new F-16Vs and upgrade the Block-52+, they would have 36 AESA-equipped F-16s.

 

[The SC]

Depends on the U.S. If they approve the sale of AN/APG-83s, I reckon the PAF would want to upgrade the 18 Block-52+ since those fighters are expected to stay in service the longest.

The F-16A/Bs are reaching their 8,000 hour lifespan, but if there are 2,000+ hours left on average, then it's a discretion call; South Korea is paying around $7 million per plane for its radar and avionics upgrade (link).

ACM Sohail Aman also said that the PAF is still engaged with the U.S. for F-16s. I think it's plausible to imagine a purchase (or request) of 18 new-built F-16s. If they ask for new F-16Vs and upgrade the Block-52+, they would have 36 AESA-equipped F-16s.

That is a very good number of F-16s with AESA radar.. they can link with the F-17s Blk 3 equipped with the KLJ-7A through link 16..

U.S. Air Force Authorizes Extended Service Life for F-16

The U.S. Air Force authorized extending the service life of the Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) F-16's designed service life to 12,000 Equivalent Flight Hours — far beyond the aircraft's original design service life of 8,000 hours.
http://news.lockheedmartin.com/2017-04-12-U-S-Air-Force-Authorizes-Extended-Service-Life-for-F-16
http://news.lockheedmartin.com/2017-04-12-U-S-Air-Force-Authorizes-Extended-Service-Life-for-F-16

 

[Star Expedition]

Everything made in Europe is controlled by NATO and the Yankees.
So the answer is clearer.

Every little updates of thunder will excite us. Because this means it is getting stronger.

A flying thunder is 100 times better than any higher tech birds in dream.

 

[CriticalThought]

Question: What is the view from an HMD/S? Is the pilot surrounded by an LED like screen? Or is it transparent enough to see the outside clearly and it paints information on top of that view?

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Big one out right now. Chaklala

Send me a link

...and I imagine the issue with South Africa is that there's a lot of inertia in the industry there, so there's no real push factor to make a Targo/A-Darter pairing happen.

SA economy is finished.

 

[The Accountant]

Sir cant we do anything about it ?

Working on a PAF tender right now, first or second page says "western systems only".. and then the last item is from China . How irony lives on in the PaF is the game of dubai accounts.

This whole crap started thanks to zai ul haq

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Send me a link



SA economy is finished.

Just a general question. How much easier is it to acquire items not bound by ITAR in comparison to those barred by ITAR? I imagine the latter require specific case-by-case approval from the selling government (with it justifying why a sale to Pakistan is OK), whereas the non-ITAR can be procured with a nod?

I just noticed that EW/ECM equipment in Europe isn't always limited by ITAR. For example, Elettronica's EDGE EW jammer is marketed as "ITAR free." I guess it's only the radio transceivers that are ITAR free, I doubt the frequency library (gathered via long-term ELINT) would also be included.

EDGE is the new escort jammer developed by Elettronica. In an autonomous pod configuration, it’s designed to increase the survivability and success of the entire attacking force and offers both unique performance and installation capabilities.‎

Edge’s various functions are designed to suppress enemy air defences to boost survivability for the entire strike force by creating a safe corridor for multiple attacking aircraft. Its ELINT features enhance both situational awareness and intelligence collection.

The unit is fully autonomous and no additional power source is necessary for aircraft using internal RAT and cooling system capability. The system is easily installed and integrated and does not effect overall aircraft integrity.

The ELINT Edge capabilities include high sensitivity for very long-range detection, extended frequency bandwidth and accurate directional of arrival measurement for an improved SA.

The ECM Edge capabilities include high-transmitted power (ERP), extended frequency bandwidth over any radar threats, full Azimuth and Elevation Spatial Coverage and multi-threat jamming. The system includes networking capability to increase the values of Escort Jamming capability as well as a proprietary High Value algorithm.

The Edge escort jammer is designed for exportability, has no technology export limitations and is ITAR free. Its high level of modularity with a scalable architecture to support customer requirements and needs makes it an ideal subject for industrial cooperation, collaboration and technology transfer.

http://www.idexuae.ae/exhibitor-press-releases/elettronica-at-idex-2017

 

[[--Leo--]]

Hi,

Your quote---" so after 10 years i see no AESA radar no new engine it took so much time we would have research our own radar and system ".

What makes you think pakistan could come up with a working aesa---.

10 years is a long time you could develop a new plane or at least they should have establish some research institute
so you are telling me pakistan need 20 years to develop such radar?

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Just a general question. How much easier is it to acquire items not bound by ITAR in comparison to those barred by ITAR? I imagine the latter require specific case-by-case approval from the selling government (with it justifying why a sale to Pakistan is OK), whereas the non-ITAR can be procured with a nod?

I just noticed that EW/ECM equipment in Europe isn't always limited by ITAR. For example, Elettronica's EDGE EW jammer is marketed as "ITAR free." I guess it's only the radio transceivers that are ITAR free, I doubt the frequency library (gathered via long-term ELINT) would also be included.


http://www.idexuae.ae/exhibitor-press-releases/elettronica-at-idex-2017

Non ITAR is policy. Policies are not up for negotiation. Nobody sells threat emitter libraries (there is no such thing as a frequency library).

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Non ITAR is policy. Policies are not up for negotiation. Nobody sells threat emitter libraries (there is no such thing as a frequency library).

Correct terminology escaped me then, that's what I meant. Thanks. So generally Pakistan shouldn't have trouble procuring non-ITAR items?

 

[WarFariX]

Correct terminology escaped me then, that's what I meant. Thanks. So generally Pakistan shouldn't have trouble procuring non-ITAR items?

For F-16 ?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

For F-16 ?

Custom work on the F-16 is tricky. We need U.S. approval and would have to work with both vendors (LM and whatever we're integrating to the F-16), which will be costly. In terms of the F-16, it'll always be best to procure from the U.S. In an ideal world, efforts for Harpoon Block-II AShM, JSOW, etc, could come to fruition.

The non-ITAR stuff is applicable to the JF-17. If there are Western avionics, EW/ECM and other subsystems that are non-ITAR, then these could be an option for the JF-17 (assuming the costs are right).