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Where is head money paid to you for Aafia? - Caller Asks Musharraf

And you feel no shame in suggesting that Afia is more important than 20 million flood affectees? You are actually defending yourself for *THIS*???
And this is what you drew from my comments? I'm surely wasting my time here.

Aafia's case comes much earlier than the floods as such she should be chronologically higher in precedence than the flood victims.

All dumb heads here.
 
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And this is what you drew from my comments? I'm surely wasting my time here.

Aafia's case comes much earlier than the floods as such she should be chronologically higher in precedence than the flood victims.

All dumb heads here.

The treatment to her is the biggest shame no matter how much we can avoid we have a role in it.

May Allah maker her journey easy.
 
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The treatment to her is the biggest shame no matter how much we can avoid we have a role in it.

May Allah maker her journey easy.
Ask that fellow TechLahore - I think he knows better.
 
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Ask that fellow TechLahore - I think he knows better.

everyone has own opinion.

But those who have some inside info we all know one of beghairat in our agencies has handed her over to US.

Her children were kept in mental torture and one is still missing.

I can defend Musharraf over money/aid collected during Earthquake because not a penny had been misused by him.
BUT In case of Afia Musharraf is responsible for criminal silence though he did not get the dollars but by keeping mum over it he is party to this crime.
 
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everyone has own opinion.

But those who have some inside info we all know one of beghairat in our agencies has handed her over to US.

Her children were kept in mental torture and one is still missing.

I can defend Musharraf over money/aid collected during Earthquake because not a penny had been misused by him.
BUT In case of Afia Musharraf is responsible for criminal silence though he did not get the dollars but by keeping mum over it he is party to this crime.
Yes, I do know the rudimentary outlines of this case from the previous discussions. Asim was very active then, don't know why he is so conspicuously absent here.

And those baigharats are staunchly defended by more beghairats here as you yourself can see..
 
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And this is what you drew from my comments? I'm surely wasting my time here.

Aafia's case comes much earlier than the floods as such she should be chronologically higher in precedence than the flood victims.

All dumb heads here.

Let's see now, you were wailing about people taking swipes at you and you've now taken to calling people "dumb heads" and in another post, "beghairat".

What a frickin' hypocrite you are!

And since we're playing that game, I think both these characterizations would be way too noble for someone of your ilk. You keep on flying that terror sympathiser flag and see how far it gets you...

And by the way, your latest hallucination - this chronological scale of the importance of issues you talk about - is utter nonsense much like everything else you've spewed here. By that coin, we should never have gotten over the aboriginal issue; the division of resources with India. Dispense with everything else and start barking up that tree. Why focus on any other issue of real import? The Afia (non)issue has just been taken up by the very same lot that is still not *sure* whether the Taliban are terrorists, and whether Al qaeda caused the towers to fall. Hey, if you want to live in an imaginary world because reality is too much for you to handle, be my guest!!
 
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The focus on the woman in grey

Kamila Hyat

The bizarre case of Dr Aafia Siddiqui lingers on. As the process of determining her sentence begins in New York, Interior Minister Rehman Malik has written to US attorney general Eric H Holder, Jr, to ask that she be repatriated. Relevant UN instruments that would permit this have been cited in the letter.
It must be noted that no similar missives have been sent out to secure a return home for the hundreds of other Pakistanis held overseas. Many -- in Saudi Arabia, in Thailand, in Greece and elsewhere -- report they have been subjected to the most brutal treatment. So too have prisoners, including many women, held at home-either in prisons or in the custody of security forces in Balochistan, Swat and other places.
The exclusive focus on Dr Siddiqui is odd and appears to have been driven by the campaign highlighting her case.
Projected by the media -- most notably Urdu newspapers and most television channels -- this campaign holds that Dr Aafia Siddiqui is the victim of prejudice and gross injustice. There may be some element of truth in this, but too many facts have been ignored.
American and Pakistani journalists investigating the case have found links between Dr Siddiqui and organisations that funded extremism. US journalist Deborah Scroggins has noted a "paper trail" had been left by Dr Siddiqui in the form of emails and other communications with groups that promoted "jihad." Others have noted she played a part in the purchase of equipment that could be used by terrorists. Links with persons accused of supporting Al-Qaeda have been mentioned.
It is impossible to say what the complete truth is in the Dr Aafia Siddiqui case. But too little effort has been made to put this before people. The whole affair has been painted as one involving the framing of an innocent woman and the abduction of her children. Groups which-discreetly or indiscreetly back the Taliban-have taken their protests to the streets.
Some accounts insist that no evidence against her was presented during the 14-day trial hearing in New York, at the end of which she was convicted on charges of attempted murder and armed assault. This is absurd. The testimonies at the trial documented Dr Aafia Siddiqui's past and did indeed present evidence that played a key part in leading the jury to its "guilty" verdict.
Also astonishing is the attempt to portray the case as one involving the rights of women. Organisations such as the Jamaat-e-Islami, which has played a key role in the campaign for her release, have never been known as advocates of the rights of women.
Cases of inhumane treatment of women at home have rarely been commented on and have never led to rallies on the streets. There is no doubt at all that Dr Aafia Siddiqui -- and her children, if they are indeed in custody-deserve humane treatment, and medical or psychological assistance, if required, and a fair judicial process.
But so do the thousands of women detained at home, some of whom have faced ****, torture and deliberate brutality in jails or police lockups. Surely the groups so incensed by the fate of Dr Aafia Siddiqui should also speak up for them. Most have far less ability to put forward their cases than the well educated, and well connected, Siddiqui family.
With the political parties and religious groups, organisations such as the Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) have taken up the crusade. They have been able to offer no answers when the families of persons missing at home have asked why Dr Aafia Siddiqui rates higher in priority than their husbands, fathers or sons, or why indeed this case has been singled out.
There are many reasons why we need to understand how the Aafia Siddiqui case has made such a deep impression at home.
While, for many, the affair has served as yet another means to lambast the US, the story of Dr Siddiqui is one we should all hear. The truth is about a young woman who may have been inducted into the extremist cause in the 1990s at a prestigious university campus in the US. It is also about the state of fundamentalism in a country where it exists in many forms, ranging from the obscurantism of the Taliban who oppose education to the views held by her family who combined Western scientific learning with religious zeal.
It is perhaps no accident that Gen Ziaul Haq was a family friend of the Siddiquis, who never made a secret of their connections with the late military dictator.
The process through which the young Aafia Siddiqui was enrolled into extremism, at MIT, and her till-then benign devoutness used to draw her in, offers up many lessons.
The same effort to take over the minds of young people continues and has been reported from many campuses in the UK, the US and presumably elsewhere. Groups such as the Hizb-ut-Tehrir focus on educated people who may in the future influence society or attain significant positions within it. This is something that needs to be watched and guarded against; the same means are also being used at home to recruit people.
There are, as such, many reasons why we need to hear more about the sad affair of Dr Aafia Siddiqui. But what we need to hear is the truth: not lies and manipulations intended to serve particular purposes. The media has a moral responsibility to ensure it can bring the full story before people, and not become a party to games played by various political forces. Meanwhile, the government needs to explain to us why her case has taken so much precedence over those of other nationals held abroad, and why it has been so vigorously pursued at many different levels. After all, the primary duty of government is to all citizens, who should before its eyes be equals.

kamilahyat@hotmail.com
 
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The focus on the woman in grey

Kamila Hyat

The bizarre case of Dr Aafia Siddiqui lingers on. As the process of determining her sentence begins in New York, Interior Minister Rehman Malik has written to US attorney general Eric H Holder, Jr, to ask that she be repatriated. Relevant UN instruments that would permit this have been cited in the letter.
It must be noted that no similar missives have been sent out to secure a return home for the hundreds of other Pakistanis held overseas. Many -- in Saudi Arabia, in Thailand, in Greece and elsewhere -- report they have been subjected to the most brutal treatment. So too have prisoners, including many women, held at home-either in prisons or in the custody of security forces in Balochistan, Swat and other places.
The exclusive focus on Dr Siddiqui is odd and appears to have been driven by the campaign highlighting her case.
Projected by the media -- most notably Urdu newspapers and most television channels -- this campaign holds that Dr Aafia Siddiqui is the victim of prejudice and gross injustice. There may be some element of truth in this, but too many facts have been ignored.
American and Pakistani journalists investigating the case have found links between Dr Siddiqui and organisations that funded extremism. US journalist Deborah Scroggins has noted a "paper trail" had been left by Dr Siddiqui in the form of emails and other communications with groups that promoted "jihad." Others have noted she played a part in the purchase of equipment that could be used by terrorists. Links with persons accused of supporting Al-Qaeda have been mentioned.
It is impossible to say what the complete truth is in the Dr Aafia Siddiqui case. But too little effort has been made to put this before people. The whole affair has been painted as one involving the framing of an innocent woman and the abduction of her children. Groups which-discreetly or indiscreetly back the Taliban-have taken their protests to the streets.
Some accounts insist that no evidence against her was presented during the 14-day trial hearing in New York, at the end of which she was convicted on charges of attempted murder and armed assault. This is absurd. The testimonies at the trial documented Dr Aafia Siddiqui's past and did indeed present evidence that played a key part in leading the jury to its "guilty" verdict.
Also astonishing is the attempt to portray the case as one involving the rights of women. Organisations such as the Jamaat-e-Islami, which has played a key role in the campaign for her release, have never been known as advocates of the rights of women.
Cases of inhumane treatment of women at home have rarely been commented on and have never led to rallies on the streets. There is no doubt at all that Dr Aafia Siddiqui -- and her children, if they are indeed in custody-deserve humane treatment, and medical or psychological assistance, if required, and a fair judicial process.
But so do the thousands of women detained at home, some of whom have faced ****, torture and deliberate brutality in jails or police lockups. Surely the groups so incensed by the fate of Dr Aafia Siddiqui should also speak up for them. Most have far less ability to put forward their cases than the well educated, and well connected, Siddiqui family.
With the political parties and religious groups, organisations such as the Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) have taken up the crusade. They have been able to offer no answers when the families of persons missing at home have asked why Dr Aafia Siddiqui rates higher in priority than their husbands, fathers or sons, or why indeed this case has been singled out.
There are many reasons why we need to understand how the Aafia Siddiqui case has made such a deep impression at home.
While, for many, the affair has served as yet another means to lambast the US, the story of Dr Siddiqui is one we should all hear. The truth is about a young woman who may have been inducted into the extremist cause in the 1990s at a prestigious university campus in the US. It is also about the state of fundamentalism in a country where it exists in many forms, ranging from the obscurantism of the Taliban who oppose education to the views held by her family who combined Western scientific learning with religious zeal.
It is perhaps no accident that Gen Ziaul Haq was a family friend of the Siddiquis, who never made a secret of their connections with the late military dictator.
The process through which the young Aafia Siddiqui was enrolled into extremism, at MIT, and her till-then benign devoutness used to draw her in, offers up many lessons.
The same effort to take over the minds of young people continues and has been reported from many campuses in the UK, the US and presumably elsewhere. Groups such as the Hizb-ut-Tehrir focus on educated people who may in the future influence society or attain significant positions within it. This is something that needs to be watched and guarded against; the same means are also being used at home to recruit people.
There are, as such, many reasons why we need to hear more about the sad affair of Dr Aafia Siddiqui. But what we need to hear is the truth: not lies and manipulations intended to serve particular purposes. The media has a moral responsibility to ensure it can bring the full story before people, and not become a party to games played by various political forces. Meanwhile, the government needs to explain to us why her case has taken so much precedence over those of other nationals held abroad, and why it has been so vigorously pursued at many different levels. After all, the primary duty of government is to all citizens, who should before its eyes be equals.

kamilahyat@hotmail.com

This article should have ended with... Right!!! Now wheres my money?

LOL
 
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Aafia Siddiqui, a US-trained Pakistani neuroscientist who was named as one of the FBI's most wanted terrorists, was today sentenced to 86 years in prison by a New York court, in a case that has prompted outrage in Pakistan.

Siddiqui, 38, was convicted of attempted murder this year after shooting at US soldiers and FBI agents in Afghanistan in 2008 as she tried to escape from custody. Siddiqui claimed she had been abducted by US agents and held incommunicado in Afghanistan for five years. The case has drawn appeals from the Pakistani government for her release, and divided legal opinion.

Protesters took to the streets across Pakistan after the sentence, lighting fires and chanting anti-American slogans. The Jamaat-e-Islami religious party announced a national strike after weekly prayers. Opposition leader Nawaz Sharif said he was "saddened"‚ by the sentence; his brother Shahbaz, the chief minister of Punjab province, called the sentence a "crime against humanity".

Siddiqui's family in Karachi accused the US justice system of bias against Muslims. "This is the beginning of the greatest travesty of justice," said her sister Fowzia, who has campaigned for the past two years. "My sister is going to come back. This is not her downfall. This is her victory."

Although the FBI accused Siddiqui of supporting al-Qaida, she was not charged with terrorism. But prosecutors alleged that when she was arrested in Afghanistan two years ago she was found with instructions on how to assemble bombs and a list of New York city landmarks.

Prosecutors said that as US agents were about to interrogate her, she grabbed an assault rifle and opened fire, shouting "death to Americans". The Americans were uninjured, but Siddiqui was shot and brought to New York for trial after she recovered.

Before the sentencing, Siddiqui repeated her claim that she had been abducted and held at a "secret prison" for several years. She said she only wanted peace in the world. "I do not want any bloodshed. I do not want any misunderstanding. I really want to make peace and end the wars."

The defence had argued that her seizing the gun and opening fire was a spontaneous "freak-out", that had more to do with mental illness than al-Qaida.

"Mentally ill and caught in the crossfire of a war that is no longer fought on conventional battlegrounds, Dr Siddiqui's self destructive behaviour got her shot once in the abdomen, charged with attempted murder and convicted of the same," the defence said.

During the trial she made rambling denunciations of the US and Israel. She was ejected from court several times.

Prosecutors asked for life, on the grounds that she was an al-Qaida supporter and a danger to the US. "Her conduct was not senseless or thoughtless. It was deliberate and premeditated. Siddiqui should be punished accordingly."

The judge, Richard Berman, said "significant incarceration" was appropriate.

Siddiqui urged her supporters to remain calm. "Don't get angry," she said. "Forgive Judge Berman."

Siddiqui trained at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Brandeis University in the early 1990s. US authorities claim she returned to Pakistan in 2003 after marrying an al-Qaida operative related to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.

Her disappearance for five years has never been adequately explained, but there is a widespread belief in Pakistan that the Pakistan government handed her over to the US in 2003, and that she was tortured and interrogated.

Mindful of public opinion, Pakistan's government paid $2m for a US defence team and the prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, and publicly appealed to Washington to release Siddiqui or have her repatriated to a Pakistani prison.
 
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