When will the Muslims in India win their freedom?

[insight-out]

Partition of British India was not carried out on the premise of transfer of population. I fail to understand then, why people should have emigrated, from one place to other, on their own, unless expelled by force.

You said it. Expulsion by force takes many forms. When a community's personal safety, economic security, religious proclivity, or cultural identity is in peril, it is oppression, and may even be considered to be genocide. That is, in effect, expulsion.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

For the Sanghis who claim they only want peace. Nothing but lies. Chanakya and Savarkar ideology does not allow for any peace.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1202586006941245442

 

[SIPRA]

You said it. Expulsion by force takes many forms. When a community's personal safety, economic security, religious proclivity, or cultural identity is in peril, it is oppression, and may even be considered to be genocide. That is, in effect, expulsion.

My point is that in 1947, all the people, whether Hindus, Muslims or Sikhs, were supposed to continue living, at their places, to which they belonged. There was no provision for involuntary displacement, in the partition plans. What happened, in shape of riots and forced displacement, was an altogether different thing, at least the scale of which was not envisaged. Consequently, most of those Muslims and Hindus, who could stay in their respective places of belonging, stayed their.

Had the partition of India been taken place on the principle of total or even substantial transfer of population, on religious basis; then the division of the land between the two daughter countries would had to be negotiated and settled on totally different terms.

 

[graphican]

Jinnah won them freedom in 1947 - but they decided not to move to Pakistan.

Looks like this is a blessing in disguise. Today Muslims are suffering in India yet that suffering is going to break India from within - one more time on the same principles as it did 70 years ago. Two Nations fact still lives on.

 

[insight-out]

My point is that in 1947, all the people, whether Hindus, Muslims or Sikhs, were supposed to continue living, at their places, to which they belonged. There was no provision for involuntary displacement, in the partition plans. What happened, in shape of riots and forced displacement, was an altogether different thing, at least the scale of which was not envisaged. Consequently, those Muslims and Hindus, who could stay in their respective places of belonging, stayed their.

Had the partition of India been taken place on the principle of total or even substantial transfer of population, on religious bases; then the division of the land between the two daughter countries would have to be negotiated and settled on totally different terms.

I do not disagree.

 

[El Sidd]

ohh... did u think?

I just assumed you know

You said it. Expulsion by force takes many forms. When a community's personal safety, economic security, religious proclivity, or cultural identity is in peril, it is oppression, and may even be considered to be genocide. That is, in effect, expulsion.

there must have been some studies into demographics of internal migration that occured in 1947.

It can be then ascertained if they were 'expelled' or 'compelled' or 'volunteered'.

My point is that in 1947, all the people, whether Hindus, Muslims or Sikhs, were supposed to continue living, at their places, to which they belonged. There was no provision for involuntary displacement, in the partition plans. What happened, in shape of riots and forced displacement, was an altogether different thing, at least the scale of which was not envisaged. Consequently, those Muslims and Hindus, who could stay in their respective places of belonging, stayed their.

Had the partition of India been taken place on the principle of total or even substantial transfer of population, on religious bases; then the division of the land between the two daughter countries would have to be negotiated and settled on totally different terms.

Neither Muslims nor Hindus were charged with the task of charting out boundaries of the newly formed countries.

It is illogical to suggest everything was supposed to remain the same yet the colony divided into two.

The beauty of democracy is that if people are unhappy with a certain party, they can change it with their vote in next elections.

As far as balkanisation is considered, Pakistan has tried it before in the form of Khalistan and supporting North-east groups but failed completely. Any new push for such a thing will also see India doing the same for Pakistan.

Only time will tell whether it's India or Pakistan that get balkanised. In my opinion, the country with more resources will prevail in the end.

It is not Pakistan who neither i would argue has the resources nor the dedication to balkanise India. Kashmir issue however cannot be overblown as to say Pakistan is creating unrest in entire India.

They can vote for a change or they can use other means at disposal. We have properly entered the decade of balkanisation.

World economy will work much smoother and better and provide a better chance at human development in the region if the white elephant of the sub continent is balkanised.

Its simple as pie man.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Looks like you don't understand the meaning of "Partition".

Partition itself is bi-polar in nature. How is there possibility of shades of grey when the process itself is bi-polar? Whereas I'm comparing the police shooting incident in UP to shades of grey because you can't just say oh it's just Hindu police vs Muslim protesters.

Hope you understand the difference now.



Thanks. I'll check out Cox Bazaar for one.

Except that what you referred to in your black/white dichotomy tirade was the nature of Pakistani Muslims and the nature of Indian Muslims. You described each as monolithic entities, one being pseudoarab and the other being loyal brothers of Hindus. You didn't say partition itself was something with a bipolar outcome. You are describing entire populations of nations with simplistic absolutist descriptors.

Do you want me to expose your bullcrap further or are we now done? It's very tiring arguing out simple points regarding the meanings of English words with ejjjukated eenjjuns like yourself.

Partition of British India was not carried out on the premise of transfer of population. I fail to understand then, why people should have emigrated, from one place to other, on their own, unless expelled by force.

This is actually true. Nowhere was transfer of populations actually part of any deal. People moved out of fear. And we are now seeing just how justified that fear was.

@masterchief_mirza

Let the Indian sanghi die without attention. Don't feed trolls. According to this ID, we hate all dark people apparently while they are quite literally stripping them and beating them.

You're probably right of course. Yet why shouldn't their fraud be exposed at every opportunity? This is why I'm not in favour of summarily banning them unless there is some obvious racist or xenophobic attack.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You're probably right of course. Yet why shouldn't their fraud be exposed at every opportunity? This is why I'm not in favour of summarily banning them unless there is some obvious racist or xenophobic attack.

They always get banned because they end up crossing the line. Come a situation like Feb, they will be gone from this forum out of shame.

This ID is probably another multiple ID of someone we have seen before. They begin posting heavily, then over time they disappear to come in new IDs.

I personally don't have time for their BS against our country, history, religion, and armed forces.

 

[SIPRA]

.........Yet why shouldn't their fraud be exposed at every opportunity?

Yes. Of course. You must continue the same on this forum. It is a highly appreciable work and not every body has the ability to do it, in an apt and proper manner.

 

[Wine&Steak]

@waz @Dubious @The Eagle @HRK @Major Sam @WebMaster @Horus kindly, take note of this wannae be ubbermensch facist...who is implying en mass rape of muslim women and girls... is this allowed here?

Dude, I am not a fascist, don't liked Nietzsche, never advocated violence. I am anti-CAA bill, ant-Modi. See my comments. I am only giving a prognosis, what I think may unfold. I shall delete the above post if I get a warning or a single down vote.

 

[Wine&Steak]

Well, firstly, I am not a dude... secondly, you have edited your post after my red flag...

You all Ganguz wish to see muslims wiped out from your country... be it the whatever way possible... so any protestations or fake decency is not going to cut.

If you have the courage then post straight..and not sugarcoat it.... the sweet spoken are the real poison
@StormBreaker @PakSword

OK Adios. I am deleting my post and getting out. you can wallow in your own echo chamber.
Thin skins are offended.

All I added into the post was
North india already has low Female birth rate, all men struggling to get a wife
Sex Ratio in Haryana is 879 i.e. for each 1000 male. if Muslim's respond, their wives &
daughters will be the pawn.

 

[Signalian]

You said "But they decided not to move to Pakistan".

You are presuming that it was their decision to stay in India, implying they had a choice in the matter.

I am saying that for most of them, moving was not a viable option. They would have if they could. But they did not have the means to emigrate. So it wasn't really their decision.

when there is an option - decision has to be made

 

[insight-out]

when there is an option - decision has to be made

I wrote "viable option". You should have also highlighted "viable". When the choice is between living with risk on one hand, and starvation on the other, then starvation is not a choice.

If you cannot see that, then I can say nothing else to convince you.

 

[Signalian]

I wrote "viable option". You should have also highlighted "viable". When the choice is between living with risk on one hand, and starvation on the other, then starvation is not a choice.

If you cannot see that, then I can say nothing else to convince you.

the reason you cannot convince me is coz i know what i wrote and i know why muslims of India are suffering. the game of words doesn't change anything. you can talk about choices or options or viable option - in any case all that lead towards a decision.