When Our Brave Lashkars Were Knocking at the Gates of Srinagar and Beyond

[bananarepublic]

Yes, they stopped at Baramulla to rest and recuperate and also spent some quality time.

Amusing isnt it.

The Kashmir War was fought at an ad-hoc basis by us - bulk of forces used were semi-regular or irregular. A lot can be said on the conduct of war - inadequate military power, spineless & fractured political & military elite. Nonetheless through blood and sweat of 2000+ lashkarees, 2633 Azad troops and roughly 300+ regulars & scouts - we won a partial strategic victory.

My grandfather was part of the group which led to capture of zolja pass, they couldn't hold it as indian heavy equipment such as tanks and artillery forced them to abandon it along with the ceasefire.

 

[Imran Khan]

I say the best way to dismantle BLA and PTM is to spend on the development of these areas. Develop them. Its also sad the people of GB are proud Pakistanis, they want to be part of Pakistan but our government is too scared of some stupid plebiscite laws

we need some more planned cities there

 

[Cuirassier]

Amusing isnt it.

My grandfather was part of the group which led to capture of zolja pass, they couldn't hold it as indian heavy equipment such as tanks and artillery forced them to abandon it along with the ceasefire.

Nice to hear. Major Jarral - belonging to my clan - was instrumental in Zoji La capture and combat there. Too bad they had nothing to counter the Stuarts.

 

[Cliftonite]

we need some more planned cities there

A planned trade city in FATA to handle the Pak-Afghan border trade and a planned city in GB like Kashgar to cater to trade coming from China.

 

[Joe Shearer]

sir if they captured or destroyed sri nagar airport india was able to hold ground then ?

Indian troops would not have been able to land.

'They' did not capture or destroy the airport because they stopped over at Baramulla for 'rest and recreation'. You can find out for yourself what this 'rest and recreation' was. You can check for St. Joseph's Hospital; you can check for Col. and Mrs. Dykes.

The airport was the key, India sent men in their thousands via the airport alas.

Three companies of Sikhs led by Lt. Col. Dewan Ranjit Rai.

Inshallah we will.

sir if they captured or destroyed sri nagar airport india was able to hold ground then ?

I think, Chacha, there is some misunderstanding.

There WERE no Indian troops before they were landed at the airport. Before that, the commander of the State troops held back the tribals with a small contingent until he was killed (his body was never found). There would have been no ground to hold.

Jinnah won Pak with his secretary and a typewriter...

Jinnah won a part of Kashmir with the tribals....

Only if the present Muslim leadership had had a fraction of his Iman, Ihlas, Jesaret, Akl etc...

*Where were the Kashmiri folks themselves by the by? Read somewhere they were welcoming the Indian Mushrikin Forces!!! I am pretty sure it’s wrong

Read about Maqbool Sherwani.

they must focus on airport that day but lets say they were not trained army country was just few months old so still 80000sqm is not a bad deal i will say .

Very sorry to interrupt your reveries, but at the initial stages the Pakistan Army was not involved except through the services of its officers who had gone on 'leave'. All the armed combatants were (a) tribals, so graphically depicted in the OP; (b) the Gilgit Scouts, and their supporting artillery from the Mehtar of Chitral's State Forces; (c) insurgents from West Jammu, now called Azad Kashmir.

I'll search for it.... It's there somewhere.

I can find it for you. It's out there in the Wikipedia account of the Indo-Pak conflict. There are several accounts; the map you are looking for is in one of them, the very detailed but very confused account.

 

[Imran Khan]

Indian troops would not have been able to land.

'They' did not capture or destroy the airport because they stopped over at Baramulla for 'rest and recreation'. You can find out for yourself what this 'rest and recreation' was. You can check for St. Joseph's Hospital; you can check for Col. and Mrs. Dykes.



Three companies of Sikhs led by Lt. Col. Dewan Ranjit Rai.





I think, Chacha, there is some misunderstanding.

There WERE no Indian troops before they were landed at the airport. Before that, the commander of the State troops held back the tribals with a small contingent until he was killed (his body was never found). There would have been no ground to hold.



Read about Maqbool Sherwani.



Very sorry to interrupt your reveries, but at the initial stages the Pakistan Army was not involved except through the services of its officers who had gone on 'leave'. All the armed combatants were (a) tribals, so graphically depicted in the OP; (b) the Gilgit Scouts, and their supporting artillery from the Mehtar of Chitral's State Forces; (c) insurgents from West Jammu, now called Azad Kashmir.



I can find it for you. It's out there in the Wikipedia account of the Indo-Pak conflict. There are several accounts; the map you are looking for is in one of them, the very detailed but very confused account.

i respect your point of view sir . but i think they did what they can do and take big chunk of kashmir and gb .

 

[Joe Shearer]

Amusing isnt it.

My grandfather was part of the group which led to capture of zolja pass, they couldn't hold it as indian heavy equipment such as tanks and artillery forced them to abandon it along with the ceasefire.

Very heavy equipment; these were a couple of Stuart tanks, dismantled, flown to Srinagar, and sent up the road, that barely accommodated them. There are no surviving accounts of the resistance of the gunners who guarded the pass to this unexpected apparition.

 

[bananarepublic]

Nice to hear. Major Jarral - belonging to my clan - was instrumental in Zoji La capture and combat there. Too bad they had nothing to counter the Stuarts.

Was he a WW2 veteran?
Did he serves in the British army

 

[Joe Shearer]

i respect your point of view sir . but i think they did what they can do and take big chunk of kashmir and gb .

Yes, of course, except that what I am reporting is not a point of view, it is facts; facts reported solely by neutral or Pakistani sources.

Please read Tariq Ali's account of the organisation and implementation of the spontaneous tribal attack. Tariq Ali was not an Indian, strangely enough.

Nice to hear. Major Jarral - belonging to my clan - was instrumental in Zoji La capture and combat there. Too bad they had nothing to counter the Stuarts.

??

The artillery pieces belonging to the Chitral State Forces that were stationed at the pass, and held off all infantry attacks until the Stuarts' arrival?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

West Jammu, now called Azad Kashmir.

So what is Kashmir area according to you?

 

[bananarepublic]

Very heavy equipment; these were a couple of Stuart tanks, dismantled, flown to Srinagar, and sent up the road, that barely accommodated them. There are no surviving accounts of the resistance of the gunners who guarded the pass to this unexpected apparition.

There are many accounts, my grandfather was part of the British Royal Indian artillery and WW2 veteran. He would clearly narrate us about how they were unable to do anything against Indian Stuarts and artillery
Perhaps many accounts have yet to be recorded

 

[Joe Shearer]

So what is Kashmir area according to you?

Are you saying that Azad Kashmir is not Azad Kashmir?

Let me help, if I can.

The State of Jammu and Kashmir, as it existed in 1947 until June-July, is shown in every map that everyone wants to put up; it covers Gilgit, the Gilgit Agency, if you like, Baltistan, Ladakh, the Vale of Kashmir, and Jammu.

When people refer to Kashmir in day-to-day speech, it is a reference to the Valley of Kashmir. That is pretty clearly shown in topographical maps.

I hope that helps.

 

[Imran Khan]

Yes, of course, except that what I am reporting is not a point of view, it is facts; facts reported solely by neutral or Pakistani sources.

Please read Tariq Ali's account of the organisation and implementation of the spontaneous tribal attack. Tariq Ali was not an Indian, strangely enough.



??

The artillery pieces belonging to the Chitral State Forces that were stationed at the pass, and held off all infantry attacks until the Stuarts' arrival?

 

[Joe Shearer]

There are many accounts, my grandfather was part of the British Royal Indian artillery and WW2 veteran. He would clearly narrate us about how they were unable to do anything against Indian Stuarts and artillery
Perhaps many accounts have yet to be recorded

As far as I know, and from all the accounts that I have read, there was not a single artillery piece from the regular Pakistan Army on the ground.

The only artillery belonged to the Chitral State Forces, who marched with Ibex Force and Tiger Force, the two columns of the Gilgit Scouts (there were two other columns, but I am writing this from memory).

Zoji La was guarded by artillery pieces, two of them, from the Chitral State Forces. These positions were over-run by the Stuart tanks and by mountain guns that accompanied them.

I am open to hearing any account that supplements this, but at the moment, this is all that I know.

 

[Cuirassier]

Yes, of course, except that what I am reporting is not a point of view, it is facts; facts reported solely by neutral or Pakistani sources.

Please read Tariq Ali's account of the organisation and implementation of the spontaneous tribal attack. Tariq Ali was not an Indian, strangely enough.



??

The artillery pieces belonging to the Chitral State Forces that were stationed at the pass, and held off all infantry attacks until the Stuarts' arrival?

No anti-tank weaponry of viable capability to counter the Stuarts.