When Muslim, Sikh and Hindu soldiers fought together (WWII)

[arihant]

It was 2007, how many could have increased in two years. You Indians are already so over-populated. Find a 2009 census, Pakistan's population is also growing.

There are lot of unknown bangladeshis...Also, it has nothing to do pakistan's population growing or not. I was just indicating that it was old figure.

 

[Omar1984]

There are lot of unknown bangladeshis...Also, it has nothing to do pakistan's population growing or not. I was just indicating that it was old figure.

Well there's a lot of Afghan refugees in Pakistan also, they are not included in our population.

The point I'm making is Pakistan has more Muslims than India in number and in percentage. Also I could not find a 2009 population report from a neutral source so if anyone has it please post.

 

[glomex]

Well there's a lot of Afghan refugees in Pakistan also, they are not included in our population.

The point I'm making is Pakistan has more Muslims than India in number and in percentage. Also I could not find a 2009 population report from a neutral source so if anyone has it please post.

Well ....Pakistan has more Muslims than Here In India....Agreed.....

What next....

 

[EjazR]

Omar bro, instead of just copy pasting, atleast read through his entire speech and critique it yourself. I gave you the link in my post.

The statement you highlighted was in section 3(b) of his speech. The part that I quoted was in section 7. But still I personally feel his demand was for a separate state even in section 3(b), not an independent country.

Quoting again from his speech

[3b]] Personally, I would go farther than the demands embodied in it. I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sind and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single State. Self-government within the British Empire, or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated North-West Indian Muslim State appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims, at least of North-West India. The proposal was put forward before the Nehru Committee. They rejected it on the ground that, if carried into effect, it would give a very unwieldy State. This is true in so far as the area is concerned; in point of population, the State contemplated by the proposal would be much less than some of the present Indian provinces. The exclusion of Ambala Division, and perhaps of some districts where non-Muslims predominate, will make it less extensive and more Muslim in population – so that the exclusion suggested will enable this consolidated State to give a more effective protection to non-Muslim minorities within its area. The idea need not alarm the Hindus or the British. India is the greatest Muslim country in the world. The life of Islam as a cultural force in the country very largely depends on its centralisation in a specified territory. This centralisation of the most living portion of the Muslims of India, whose military and police service has, notwithstanding unfair treatment from the British, made the British rule possible in this country, will eventually solve the problem of India as well as of Asia. It will intensify their sense of responsibility and deepen their patriotic feeling.

[[3c]] Thus, possessing full opportunity of development within the body politic of India, the North-West Indian Muslims will prove the best defenders of India against a foreign invasion, be that invasion one of ideas or of bayonets. The Punjab with 56 percent Muslim population supplies 54 percent of the total combatant troops in the Indian Army, and if the 19,000 Gurkhas recruited from the independent State of Nepal are excluded, the Punjab contingent amounts to 62 percent of the whole Indian Army. This percentage does not take into account nearly 6,000 combatants supplied to the Indian Army by the North-West Frontier Province and Baluchistan. From this you can easily calculate the possibilities of North-West Indian Muslims in regard to the defence of India against foreign aggression. The Right Hon'ble Mr. Srinivasa Sastri thinks that the Muslim demand for the creation of autonomous Muslim states along the north-west border is actuated by a desire "to acquire means of exerting pressure in emergencies on the Government of India." I may frankly tell him that the Muslim demand is not actuated by the kind of motive he imputes to us; it is actuated by a genuine desire for free development which is practically impossible under the type of unitary government contemplated by the nationalist Hindu politicians with a view to secure permanent communal dominance in the whole of India.


[[3d]] Nor should the Hindus fear that the creation of autonomous Muslim states will mean the introduction of a kind of religious rule in such states. I have already indicated to you the meaning of the word religion, as applied to Islam. The truth is that Islam is not a Church. It is a State conceived as a contractual organism long before Rousseau ever thought of such a thing, and animated by an ethical ideal which regards man not as an earth-rooted creature, defined by this or that portion of the earth, but as a spiritual being understood in terms of a social mechanism, and possessing rights and duties as a living factor in that mechanism. The character of a Muslim State can be judged from what the Times of India pointed out some time ago in a leader on the Indian Banking Inquiry Committee. "In ancient India," the paper points out, "the State framed laws regulating the rates of interest; but in Muslim times, although Islam clearly forbids the realisation of interest on money loaned, Indian Muslim States imposed no restrictions on such rates." I therefore demand the formation of a consolidated Muslim State in the best interests of India and Islam. For India, it means security and peace resulting from an internal balance of power; for Islam, an opportunity to rid itself of the stamp that Arabian Imperialism was forced to give it, to mobilise its law, its education, its culture, and to bring them into closer contact with its own original spirit and with the spirit of modern times.

Thus Allama Iqbal was against a strong centre and unitary form of government. He wanted the provinces to have more power but ofcourse like the US, subjects of national importance would be vested with the centre and that would include things like Defence.

Just read through his entire speech and you will see how he envisoned the present day Pakistan.

 

[waraich66]

There would still be over 900 million Hindus.

Muslim always would have decisive position in parliment , india will be now super power , we lost 60 years in wars and both countries faced hunger ,poverty as result.

Still our politicians are corrupt only few families have wealth , wadera and zagirdari system is stronger then in brithish raj.Our political system is revolving arround few families having illgotten wealth and power.

Bhutto BB,Zaradari ,Balawal Zardari and son or daughter of Balawal will come next , son of hari and mazara will never get the prime ministership.

 

[EjazR]

Well there's a lot of Afghan refugees in Pakistan also, they are not included in our population.

The point I'm making is Pakistan has more Muslims than India in number and in percentage. Also I could not find a 2009 population report from a neutral source so if anyone has it please post.

Agreed, but Indian muslims would be just a few million less than Pakistani muslims. However, India does have the largest Urdu speaking population in the world.

 

[Omar1984]

Muslim always would have decisive position in parliment , india will be now super power , we lost 60 years in wars and both countries faced hunger ,poverty as result.

Still our politicians are corrupt only few families have wealth , wadera and zagirdari system is stronger then in brithish raj.

Bhutto BB,Zaradari ,Balawal Zardari and son or daughter of Balawal will come next , son of hari and mazara will never get the prime ministership.

Muslims dont care about being any kind of superpower. Only Allah is superpower to us. I doubt you are Pakistani sir.

Remember during the Pakistan movement, it was Sikhs and Hindus running after Muslim blood especially in North British India (ie Pakistan and whats now surrounding Pakistan).

We dont need India for anything. India is the last country Pakistan should trust. Just look at what India did from 1947-2009 and ever since India set foot in Afghanistan, we have a new crime in Pakistan, suicide bombing.

 

[glomex]

Muslims dont care about being any kind of superpower. Only Allah is superpower to us. I doubt you are Pakistani sir.


We dont need India for anything. India is the last country Pakistan should trust. Just look at what India did from 1947-2009 and ever since India set foot in Afghanistan, we have a new crime in Pakistan, suicide bombing.

Its good to have respect for your religion...

No one is asking here to trust any nation...its Pakistan's call....they decide whom they should trust and who they should not......

Suicide bombing Happened in Pakistan way before India entered Afghanistan....


Read this
The History of Suicide Attacks in Pakistan | GroundReport

 

[Omar1984]

Omar bro, instead of just copy pasting, atleast read through his entire speech and critique it yourself. I gave you the link in my post.

The statement you highlighted was in section 3(b) of his speech. The part that I quoted was in section 7. But still I personally feel his demand was for a separate state even in section 3(b), not an independent country.

Quoting again from his speech


Thus Allama Iqbal was against a strong centre and unitary form of government. He wanted the provinces to have more power but ofcourse like the US, subjects of national importance would be vested with the centre and that would include things like Defence.

Just read through his entire speech and you will see how he envisoned the present day Pakistan.

That speech was made at 1930. Check what he said after that:

Iqbal elucidated to Jinnah his vision of a separate Muslim state in a letter sent on June 21, 1937:

"A separate federation of Muslim Provinces, reformed on the lines I have suggested above, is the only course by which we can secure a peaceful India and save Muslims from the domination of Non-Muslims. Why should not the Muslims of North-West India and Bengal be considered as nations entitled to self-determination just as other nations in India and outside India are."

Speaking about the political future of Muslims in India, Iqbal said:

"There is only one way out. Muslims should strengthen Jinnah's hands. They should join the Muslim League. Indian question, as is now being solved, can be countered by our united front against both the Hindus and the English. Without it, our demands are not going to be accepted. People say our demands smack of communalism. This is sheer propaganda. These demands relate to the defence of our national existence.... The united front can be formed under the leadership of the Muslim League. And the Muslim League can succeed only on account of Jinnah. Now none but Jinnah is capable of leading the Muslims."

Muhammad Iqbal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[waraich66]

Muslims dont care about being any kind of superpower. Only Allah is superpower to us. I doubt you are Pakistani sir.

Remember during the Pakistan movement, it was Sikhs and Hindus running after Muslim blood especially in North British India (ie Pakistan and whats now surrounding Pakistan).

We dont need India for anything. India is the last country Pakistan should trust. Just look at what India did from 1947-2009 and ever since India set foot in Afghanistan, we have a new crime in Pakistan, suicide bombing.

Try to understand, would you like to live and die with your brother or let your brother to live under the custody of enemy.


Our politician actually stage this drama for their personal benefits , muslims ruled India thausand of years , even Akbar married with Hindu girls .Majority of Pakistanis were before hindu they converted to Islam.Do you hate your grand grand father who died on hindu faith.

Islam dont teach us to hate non muslim ,we should love them as human being .


We can not turn the clock back but we can learn lesson from our mistakes.

 

[Omar1984]

Its good to have respect for your religion...

No one is asking here to trust any nation...its Pakistan's call....they decide whom they should trust and who they should not......

Suicide bombing Happened in Pakistan way before India entered Afghanistan....


Read this
The History of Suicide Attacks in Pakistan | GroundReport

We rarely saw any suicide bombing inside Pakistani soil before 2002. One explosion in 1995 before that and there was no history of suicide bombing in Pakistan. From 2002-present we saw numerous cases of suicide bombings in Pakistan and that is the era India made its prescence inside Afghanistan.

 

[Omar1984]

Try to understand, would you like to live and die with your brother or let your brother to live under the custody of enemy.


Our politician actually stage this drama for their personal benefits , muslims rules India thausand of years even Akbar married with Hindu girls .

Islam dont teach us to hate non muslim ,we should love them as human being .


We can not turn the clock back but we can learn lesson from our mistakes.

OK WHY DONT YOU JUST GO TO INDIA?

Times have changed since Muslims ruled India, now they have Democracy. In democracy you have elections, majority wins...India is more than 80% hindu (more than 900 million hindus) accept that fact, and they have democracy and will never return to the times Muslims ruled India.
Muslims will forever be minority there even if Pakistan joins India (ALLAH NA KARAY).

And check this:

 

[glomex]

We rarely saw any suicide bombing inside Pakistani soil before 2002 when India made its prescence in Afghanistan. One explosion in 1995 before that and there was no history of suicide bombing in Pakistan. From 2002-present we saw numerous cases of suicide bombings in Pakistan and that is the era India made its prescence inside Afghanistan.

Why blame India....Pakistan attacked Taliban...they responded with what they know the best...

And now if you want to say..that Taliban is supported by India..... then thats a roll back from Pakistan Policy of Supporting Taliban in Post USSR Era...
Try convincing Taliban over that......

 

[Omar1984]

Why blame India....Pakistan attacked Taliban...they responded with what they know the best...

And now if you want to say..that Taliban is supported by India..... then thats a roll back from Pakistan Policy of Supporting Taliban in Post USSR Era...
Try convincing Taliban over that......

Theres Two different Taliban:

1. The original Taliban (inside Afghanistan)

2. TTP that just originated a few years ago after 2002.

There was no TTP Taliban before India made its prescence in Afghanistan.

 

[glomex]

Theres Two different Taliban:

1. The original Taliban (inside Afghanistan)

2. TTP that just originated a few years ago after 2002.

There was no TTP Taliban before India made its prescence in Afghanistan.

America Started war against Taliban in Afghanistan in the year 2001.....and all the Taliban leaders had to run for their lives ....they came to Pakistan....owing to Pakistan's Porous border..

And then in 2002 Pakistan joined America........this gave rise to unity amongst Talibani Jihadis.....and thats what troubling Pakistan now......

May be what troubles Pakistan is India's growing Influence in Afghanistan as Pakistanis feel encircled...

This gave rise to theory of India involvement...

I call it theory..because there is still no proof....to show that India is involved in Afghanistan against Pakistan..