When Islamic atheism thrived

[sparklingway]

Everybody, please don't start religion vs atheism. Neither is this the appropriate forum nor are most members here even capable of sustaining a healthy debate on this issue.

 

[sur]

Nobody knows about the future and anyone who claims that he does is lying and spitting on your face and questioning your intellect. Nobody knows whats going to happen in the future and they certainly don't possess mental powers and abilities that I or you don't have....lol what? What you just described are all the physical differences which have nothing to do with a persons intellectual capacity. Learn to read again next time..

So u mean is there NO God!!! OHhh u didn't say anything like that... Go watch gay-prade on toronto streets, don't try to make an impression here. The whole point of my post was to say that those atheists were knuckleheads, not to discuss human equality.

 

[sparklingway]

A dry seed is non-living with NO biochemical reactions taking place,,, A farmer sows it into ground & & when water imbibes into the seed biochemical reactions start & seed becomes a living being,,, it grows & reproduces,,, Those farmers have been doing since ages what Mr.Craig Venter is bragging about so much

You didn't understand the very topic of the posted article. A synthetic replicating bacterium was created. It did not have any ancestors nor did it evolve under natural selection.

If you do not know or understand the nature, the importance of a breakthrough, or how important most publications in Science/Nature are, then do not use idiotic analogies to compare farming to a synthetically created bacterium from human created genomes.

 

[Hyde]

Nobody knows about the future and anyone who claims that he does is lying and spitting on your face and questioning your intellect. Nobody knows whats going to happen in the future and they certainly don't possess mental powers and abilities that I or you don't have.

i don't know what you are talking with Sur but clarify if you mean even the Prophets/Messengers did not know about the future?

Think before you answer

 

[sparklingway]

Go watch gay-prade on toronto streets, don't try to make an impression here. The whole point of my post was to say that those atheists were knuckleheads, not to discuss human equality.

So in your bigoted opinion, like most bigots, atheists can neither be moral nor can they sustain any "values"?

In the minds of bigots like you, atheists are homosexual, pedophile, child murdering people who have orgies every night. You cannot understand that atheists can be more moral than theists for morality is not a a monopoly of any faith. In reality, morals are a choice that no faith has successfully dictated throughout history.

Morality without religion isn't just possible, it holds grounds on humanitarian basis and does not send people to the gallows for saying the earth is not round, or the earth moves around the sun, or changing one's religion.

Get over your prejudiced, intolerant and narcissistic beliefs and let others breathe without you dictating what they do, or you judging them based on your twisted compass of human morality.

 

[Bushy]

Discussion on religion is against the tradition, as well as the rules of defence.pk. Amazingly, this thread has survived over 150 posts on the same topic already!

 

[Durran3]

So u mean is there NO God!!! OHhh u didn't say anything like that... Go watch gay-prade on toronto streets, don't try to make an impression here. The whole point of my post was to say that those atheists were knuckleheads, not to discuss human equality.

Oh, how i love the Toronto Gay parade.. the fancy colorful clothes and the glittering makeup shining in the sun makes me so happy to be alive. I get all jiggy wiggy when i see them

We knuckleheads sure know how to have a good time..

 

[sur]

You didn't understand the very topic of the posted article. A synthetic replicating bacterium was created. It did not have any ancestors nor did it evolve under natural selection.

If you do not know or understand the nature, the importance of a breakthrough, or how important most publications in Science/Nature are, then do not use idiotic analogies to compare farming to a synthetically created bacterium from human created genomes.

Yeh I don't understand what I've been studying since 1999,,, I am too dumb,,,

That so-called genius synthetically made nucleic acids & then used GOD made DNA templates on which he assembled those synthetically made nucleic acids,,, so by steeling that GOD made arrangement of genes of nucleic acid he was able to get DNA strands that were synthetic copy of GOD-made strands...


Then they used a GOD-Made E.Coli & yeast's body to get more copies of those strands,,, Then they incorporated those strands into a hollowed out GOD-Made bacterial body, & hurray it started to replicate,,, So that proves there's NO GOD, because humans can take components of readymade GOD created life & fiddle around a bit & claim it to be 100% made by them,,, & then some atheists-minded jump out of couch at this news that finally they'd be proven right.


Craig Venter's research is scary, but not in the way you think - Telegraph

And yet the reality turns out to be much more prosaic. Dr Venter has created an artificial version of the DNA (b/w u & me;;moulded on GOD-made DNA templates)– the set of chemical instructions which determine what an individual cell will build and reproduce – for a very simple form of bacteria, and has inserted this into a cell from which the original DNA had been removed. The bacterium reproduced itself normally, using Dr Venter's version of the DNA (from which he had removed about 100 genes), eventually creating more than a billion copies.

As Dr Venter's less hysterical colleagues have noted, that is not the same as creating life

OK if u don't like the example of seeds,,, take example of cloning,,, where they steel DNA from a GOD-made cell & take body of another GOD-made cell then insert that stolen DNA into stolen body & then boast around that they have created life... Mr.Craig Venter just added synthetic DNA copied on a GOD-made DNA template into cloning process & is bragging of creating life from "scratch"... How convincing proof of absence of God.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Its Religious anthropological War.

one can only guess what wonders would atheism bring .. !

Atheism has no place here on PDF, Mods close this thread .. Its utter BS

 

[Durran3]

Its Religious anthropological War.

one can only guess what wonders would atheism bring .. !

Atheism has no place here on PDF, Mods close this thread .. Its utter BS

It's sad because the Topic itself requires an intelligent debate and is a very interesting one. Some people on these boards are to dumb to actually understand and have retorted to nonsensical rhetoric. I would actually create this thread again and only allow a certain group of people in there who know how to have a decent conversation from both sides who have a slight grasp of history which specifically includes Islamic, Arabic, Greek and English.

 

[Kompromat]

EmO there is no harm in free thinking and i do agree with your point but please do find the definition of Free Thinkers and rebellious peoples.

By making silly jokes on God you are harming nobody but yourself

i seriously find no difference between those TTP talibans and you as they are extremists in spreading strict Islam by crossing the boundaries of Islam and you are extremist in losing the values of Islam and challenging the existance of god again and again. Both of you claims to be Muslims for some reasons but keep raping the limitations created by Allah. By doing this trust me it is neither going to benefit this religion nor damage its foundations as the religion has already been perfected during the time of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.

Why cant you just take rest for a while? everytime i come i see nothing but some silly posts of so-called respective members of this forum in this Holy thread.

And do not dare to mind as i also hold my right of free thinking

" God didn't fixed the moon perfectly because if he did how the world will accept that it was ever split. "

God Does not exist and is a myth for those who believe in myths.

Some people say: "Why should i believe in God when i cant see Him"

Answer:
The God is not physical and is Beyond any imagination as if you think of him and an Image pops up in your, brain thats not him.

God is pure of body and biological characteristics that is why he says that i am closer than you think and we cant see him because he is not something that we are able to see , we cant touch him as he is not physical , we cant talk to him as the communation methods to speak to him are different.

Hazrat Musa (moses)(AS) insisted to see Allah SWT on koh e tur , he was forbidden , he insisted again and again then he was granetd the permission to see the creator but with the warning that "You & your body are not capable enough yet".

He insisted again , a micro hole appeared in the sky with Brightest light and Musa (PBUH) Fainted and this is what happened to the mountain.

Regards:

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

It's sad because the Topic itself requires an intelligent debate and is a very interesting one. Some people on these boards are to dumb to actually understand and have retorted to nonsensical rhetoric. I would actually create this thread again and only allow a certain group of people in there who know how to have a conversation from both sides.

Is abt the sentiments and teachings of Islam, Religion is not to be discussed here. Belief is a personal matter, no one has the right to unjustify beliefs upon certin scientific research. In this era of information war, truth is scars to find.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Its a must read. Great work by Imran Khan.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/53628-imran-khan-why-west-craves-materialism-why-east-sticks-religion.html

 

[Durran3]

Is abt the sentiments and teachings of Islam, Religion is not to be discussed here. Belief is a personal matter, no one has the right to unjustify beliefs upon certin scientific research. In this era of information war, truth is scars to find.

Isn't it the religious people who try to justify THEIR believes down everyone else's throat? I love it when religion plays the victim card and says that Atheists/Agnostics like to justify their beliefs based on scientific research. Sure there are Atheists/Agnostics who go out of their way to try to convince religious people that they are wrong, but those people are absolutely dwarfed in size compared to the religious ones who go about trying to spread their version of religion down everyone else's throats.

Atheists don't go in to Africa to convert people like the Christian missionaries are doing. They don't expand empires based on the pretext of religion like the Ottomans and Christians. They don't breach constitutions under the pretext of religions, they don't try to get Tax exemption status. Countries like Saudi Arabia or the rule of Taliban are far from allowing religion to be a 'Persona matter' rather they turn it into a political matter just like MMA. Atheist's dont go about banging on peoples door and telling them why their religion is wrong. In fact i had 2 mullah's come to my house 4 days ago trying to convince me to go to the mosque. In Toronto i had a bunch of Mormons stop at the bus stop to try to convince me to join the church of mormons and that in my opinion is going further than just having personal Beliefs and to say that Atheists don't belong on PDF is what i call Bullshit.

 

[Kompromat]

Isn't it the religious people who try to justify THEIR believes down everyone else's throat? I love it when religion plays the victim card and says that Atheists/Agnostics like to justify their beliefs based on scientific research. Sure there are Atheists/Agnostics who go out of their way to try to convince religious people that they are wrong, but those people are absolutely dwarfed in size compared to the religious ones who go about trying to spread their version of religion down everyone else's throats.

Atheists don't go in to Africa to convert people like the Christian missionaries are doing. They don't expand empires based on the pretext of religion like the Ottomans and Christians. They don't breach constitutions under the pretext of religions, they don't try to get Tax exemption status. Countries like Saudi Arabia or the rule of Taliban are far from allowing religion to be a 'Persona matter' rather they turn it into a political matter just like MMA. Atheist's dont go about banging on peoples door and telling them why their religion is wrong. In fact i had 2 mullah's come to my house 4 days ago trying to convince me to go to the mosque. In Toronto i had a bunch of Mormons stop at the bus stop to try to convince me to join the church of mormons and that in my opinion is going further than just having personal Beliefs and to say that Atheists don't belong on PDF is what i call Bullshit.

Ask them a question about creation: " Where did the dark matter come from and who created it ?? "

They will run away from you because there is not such thing in the Book of mormon.

I have had a discussion with a Mormon Doctor , he was twice as age of mine but i made him shiver by questions .

He took my number and said that i will call you back and give you the answer about the dark matter question .

He never called back