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AS a national strategy, China is trying to build an economy that relies on innovation rather than imitation. Clearly, its leaders recognize that being the world’s low-cost workshop for assembling the breakthrough products designed elsewhere — think iPads and a host of other high-tech goods — has its limits.

So can China become a prodigious inventor? The answer, in truth, will play out over decades — and go a long way toward determining not only China’s future, but also the shape of the global economy.

Clues to the Chinese approach emerge from a recent government document containing goals for drastically increasing the nation’s production of patents. It offers a telling glimpse of how China intends to engineer a more innovative society.

The document, published in November by the State Intellectual Property Office of China, is called the “National Patent Development Strategy (2011-2020).” It discusses broad economic objectives as well as specific targets to be attained by 2015.

In a recent interview, David J. Kappos, director of the United States Patent and Trademark Office, pointed to the Chinese targets for 2015 and called them “mind-blowing numbers.”

According to a translation of the document provided by the patent office, China’s goal for annual patent filings by 2015 is two million. That number includes “utility-model patents,” which typically cover items like engineering features in a product and are less ambitious than “invention patents.” In the American system, there are no utility patents.

In 2009, about 300,000 applications for utility patents were filed in China, roughly equal to its total of invention patents, which have been growing slightly faster than utility filings in recent years. But even if just half of China’s total filings in 2015 are for invention patents, the national plan calls for a huge leap, to one million, by 2015. By contrast, patent filings in the United States totaled slightly more than 480,000 in the 12 months ended in September, according to the patent office.

China’s patent surge has been evident for years. In October, Thomson Reuters issued a research report, forecasting that China would surpass the United States in patent filings in 2011. “It’s happening even faster than we expected,” said Bob Stembridge, an intellectual-property analyst at Thomson Reuters.

Yet if the trend is not surprising, the ambition of the Chinese plan is striking. The document indicates, for example, that China intends to roughly double its number of patent examiners, to 9,000, by 2015. (The United States has 6,300 examiners.)

China also wants to double the number of patents that its residents and companies file in other countries. Recent Chinese filings in the United States, Mr. Kappos says, are mainly in fields that China has declared priorities for industrial strategy, including solar and wind energy, information technology and telecommunications, and battery and manufacturing technologies for automobiles.

To lift its patent count, China has introduced an array of incentives. They include cash bonuses, better housing for individual filers and tax breaks for companies that are prolific patent producers.

“The leadership in China knows that innovation is its future, the key to higher living standards and long-term growth,” Mr. Kappos says. “They are doing everything they can to drive innovation, and China’s patent strategy is part of that broader plan.”

China’s strategy is guided and sponsored by the state. Should that be a source of concern for the United States, and perhaps a trade issue? Or is the plan likely to resemble past efforts by other governments to give their companies an edge in global competition?

In the 1980s, the Japanese government was widely viewed as the master practitioner of industrial policy, and Japan Inc. seemed poised to overrun one American industry after another, including computers.

As we know, it didn’t turn out that way, partly because of steps taken by the American government and industry. A semiconductor trade agreement was intended to pry open the Japanese market, and I.B.M. invested in a crucial but then-struggling supplier, Intel.

More important, however, Japan never became a force in a particularly unruly, imaginative side of computing: writing software. Generalizations are risky, but it seems that Japan, as a society, has not produced enough of that kind of innovative skill, despite being a formidable patent generator. (In that area, Japan is still slightly ahead of the United States by some measures, though Japan’s patent filing pace is slowing.)

To call Japan’s industrial policy an outright failure would be simplistic. In some industries — autos, machine tools and consumer electronics, for example — it has done quite well.

“They are still in the game in those industries and going gangbusters — and we are not,” said Clyde V. Prestowitz Jr., president of the Economic Strategy Institute and a former United States trade negotiator. Still, just how strong a hand government policy had in those successes is open to debate.

The Chinese patent strategy document is filled with metrics, right down to goals for patents owned per million people. It speaks of an innovation-by-the-numbers mentality, much like a student who equates knowledge with scores on standardized tests.

“It is a brute-force approach at this stage, emphasizing the quantity of innovation assets more than the quality,” said John Kao, an innovation consultant to governments and corporations.

But it would be a mistake, Mr. Kao said, to assume that China will necessarily follow a path similar to Japan’s. China, he says, is not only much bigger than Japan, but it also has a more individualistic entrepreneurial society, despite its Communist government. Someday, he predicts, China will have its entrepreneurial equivalents of Steven P. Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg.

DESPITE China’s inevitable rise, Mr. Kao said, the United States has a comparative advantage because it is the country most open to innovation. “American culture, more than any other, forgives failure, tolerates risk and embraces uncertainty,” Mr. Kao says.

Many innovative products and technologies, he says, will be made elsewhere. “But America’s future lies in being the orchestrator — the systems integrator — of the innovation process,” Mr. Kao said. “Look at Silicon Valley. It is a place where smart people from all nations, all languages and all ethnic groups come together. It’s the capital of innovation assembly.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/02/business/02unboxed.html?_r=1&ref=asia
 
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Everything is big in china..soon we will expect an Indian answers to this with absurd claims like world largest population of engineers and doctors and bla blah!
 
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People that pooh-pooh "cheap Chinese goods" or Chinese "copies" are either missing the point, misinformed or jealous. The reality is that China is now uniquely positioned in the world for having massive investment in research, while also having the world's largest manufacturing capability at the same time. Indicators of the extent of research are things like the development of the Tianhe interconnect which operates twice as fast as Infiniband, or the development of the Loongson multi-core processors and the fact that the largest number of research publications in materials sciences came from China last year. The J-20 is another example of a development which has clearly surprised western analysts. Much has been written and said about it and it is now becoming evident that the design of the aircraft is actually more sophisticated than the T-50 in terms of its stealth characteristics. This can't happen when you lack excellence in basic research... The SD-10B is possibly the world's first dual-mode AAM. The list goes on and on.

As China continues to eclipse other nations - especially western countries - at a time when western economies are in trouble, the research gap will first be addressed and then China will tear away. This is already happening in certain areas, and will start to happen across the board.
 
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i doubt many of the people that acclaim US "high tech" actually knows what high tech is.

the iPhone, for example, is not actually an Apple product.

It is a Foxxconn product.

Apple does 2 things: specifications and marketing.
Foxxconn takes care of everything else: design to meed the specifications, procurement of parts, assembly, packaging, shipping.

If you give out specs and then sell the product, that's not actually your product.

The exact same iPhone, but with a different logo, can be shipped to another company, but the consumer won't know that, they just know apple vs. no name phone. That's why I always buy no name pirated phones, they're cheap and get the job done almost as well as an actual iPhone (the iPhone is actually better since Apple rejects bad phones while no name pirate phones just take everything, but it's not "good enough" to spend 10x the money on, i can just buy 10 no name pirate phones and maybe 1 will break).

The same thing for facebook. The code of facebook is not complicated. It also stole ideas from blog sites like QQzone (out in 2003, earlier than Facebook's 2004), MySpace and Xanga. It's just fancy packaging and spin. The actual quality and innovation of american products is laughable compared to Japanese ones.
 
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People that pooh-pooh "cheap Chinese goods" or Chinese "copies" are either missing the point, misinformed or jealous. The reality is that China is now uniquely positioned in the world for having massive investment in research, while also having the world's largest manufacturing capability at the same time. Indicators of the extent of research are things like the development of the Tianhe interconnect which operates twice as fast as Infiniband, or the development of the Loongson multi-core processors and the fact that the largest number of research publications in materials sciences came from China last year. The J-20 is another example of a development which has clearly surprised western analysts. Much has been written and said about it and it is now becoming evident that the design of the aircraft is actually more sophisticated than the T-50 in terms of its stealth characteristics. This can't happen when you lack excellence in basic research... The SD-10B is possibly the world's first dual-mode AAM. The list goes on and on.

As China continues to eclipse other nations - especially western countries - at a time when western economies are in trouble, the research gap will first be addressed and then China will tear away. This is already happening in certain areas, and will start to happen across the board.

IMO, China in general will surpass all others in technology except for the US within 25 years. It would probably take China 100 years to complete with the US. The reason is because
#1 US is still much wealthier than China, innovation is tie to money.
#2 More people want to come to the US because of its high DPD per capita and work innovative research.
#3 US tech is the technology innovator of the world. All others, include Russia, try to copy the US in technology. For example, US comes up with stealth fighter, all others now wants stealth. At the given rate, it would take about 100 years to expect China to become the technology innovator in the role of the US. However, China would be able to follow US lead much better than anyone else within a generation.
 
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IMO, China in general will surpass all others in technology except for the US within 25 years. It would probably take China 100 years to complete with the US. The reason is because
#1 US is still much wealthier than China, innovation is tie to money.
#2 More people want to come to the US because of its high DPD per capita and work innovative research.
#3 US tech is the technology innovator of the world. All others, include Russia, try to copy the US in technology. For example, US comes up with stealth fighter, all others now wants stealth. At the given rate, it would take about 100 years to expect China to become the technology innovator in the role of the US. However, China would be able to follow US lead much better than anyone else within a generation.

You must be out of touch, China's improvement is on accelerating pace, the growing economy will support even more robust R&D like you never see before. J-20 show how fast China has achieved. There are more examples, do more google, and read more non-western reading materials.
 
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...Mr. Kao said. “Look at Silicon Valley. It is a place where smart people from all nations, all languages and all ethnic groups come together. It’s the capital of innovation assembly.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/02/business/02unboxed.html?_r=1&ref=asia


How true is the statement! Whoever can channel brain into their country, that country will be the leader in technology.

China lacks the capability to attract foreign brains in comparison with USA, for the moment. This is the fatal weak point.

China’s hardware appears impressive enough, but still lacks software in that aspect: decent bureaucracy, freedom of access to information, transparent policies, equal opportunities to all (not just to Li Gang’s son :taz: like caste system), …, these become extreme important factors, IMHO.

Perhaps, when foreign students flock into China, instead of Chinese students head to EU or USA, that would also be the indicator of the heyday of Chinese innovation.
 
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China lacks the capability to attract foreign brains in comparison with USA, for the moment. This is the fatal weak point.

That's an interesting point.

China has a pool of 1.2 billion people; does it really need foreign brains?

Is there anything special about foreign-educated scientists that cannot be provided by Chinese people themselves?

In any case, the biggest driver of innovation is good old fashioned human ego/greed. If China can convince its people that fabulous wealth lies at the end of the rainbow, innovation will flow.
 
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People that pooh-pooh "cheap Chinese goods" or Chinese "copies" are either missing the point, misinformed or jealous. The reality is that China is now uniquely positioned in the world for having massive investment in research, while also having the world's largest manufacturing capability at the same time. Indicators of the extent of research are things like the development of the Tianhe interconnect which operates twice as fast as Infiniband, or the development of the Loongson multi-core processors and the fact that the largest number of research publications in materials sciences came from China last year. The J-20 is another example of a development which has clearly surprised western analysts. Much has been written and said about it and it is now becoming evident that the design of the aircraft is actually more sophisticated than the T-50 in terms of its stealth characteristics. This can't happen when you lack excellence in basic research... The SD-10B is possibly the world's first dual-mode AAM. The list goes on and on.

As China continues to eclipse other nations - especially western countries - at a time when western economies are in trouble, the research gap will first be addressed and then China will tear away. This is already happening in certain areas, and will start to happen across the board.

I would like to know more about bold part and how its became EVIDENT and is ACTUALLY more sophisticated than T-50 in terms of Stealth.
Its mere Exaggeration of personal love.

Stealth has been always wonder thing of all 5th generation Aircrafts, level of radar signature has never been revealed by US, Russia or China.
Moreover the stealth on basis of design is also fanboy imagination(This looks cool , would definitely be invisible)
It has never been said by any agency that their design is more stealthier than their counterparts.
 
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There is no exaggeration. T-50 does not even shield its engine fan blades. The big gap between engines is also not stealthy at all. T-50 is at best 4.5 in terms of stealth but with very good kinematics.
 
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That's an interesting point.

China has a pool of 1.2 billion people; does it really need foreign brains?

Is there anything special about foreign-educated scientists that cannot be provided by Chinese people themselves?

In any case, the biggest driver of innovation is good old fashioned human ego/greed. If China can convince its people that fabulous wealth lies at the end of the rainbow, innovation will flow.

Foreign scientists/engineers should be welcomed to give China a technological kick start in many areas but I think the talents of Chinese engineers are enough to keep the process going. The "brain-drain" is the thing that the Chinese should worry about.
 
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some in Pakistan feel that they are Chinese.....
 
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Foreign scientists/engineers should be welcomed to give China a technological kick start in many areas but I think the talents of Chinese engineers are enough to keep the process going.

That can be done through international collaborations. Japan and Germany are both homogenous societies, but are doing just fine technologically. America's biggest advantage is the size of its economy. Everybody wants a piece of the American pie. And it's a big pie.

The "brain-drain" is the thing that the Chinese should worry about.

The brains will go where the money is.
 
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