The allies had to invade Germany because that was the only way to defeat them. Germans started full war-time production around 1944. If the Luftwaffe had suck to their original plan and continued atacking RAF bases then the RAF would have been plastered. It was precisely why RAF atacked civilians - to enrage Luftwaffe and make them change tactics.
Nope. Area bombing became necessary because of the inability to bomb precisely and hit only military targets. This decision predates the Battle of Britain.
19/20 Mar 1940 - Bomber Command aircraft carry out their first attack on an enemy land target when 41 Whitleys and Wellingtons attack the German seaplane base on the island of Sylt. Post-attack reconnaissance of the night-time raid reveals no damage was done to the target, leading to a serious reappraisal of the Command's night navigation and bombing techniques.
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10 May 1940 During the night, Whitleys attack enemy communications in the RAF's first attack on mainland Germany.
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15 May 1940 During the night, RAF Bomber Command's air offensive against Germany begins - 99 aircraft attack industrial targets in the Ruhr.
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5 Jun 1940 - Small numbers of German bombers attack low-key targets in the east and south-east of Britain. These attacks are primarily to give crews navigational experience before the main assault on Britain.
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24/25 Aug 1940 - German bombs fall on central London for the first time. The following night, 43 aircraft from Bomber Command retaliate by bombing Berlin.
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14/15 Nov 1940 - 450 German bombers bomb Coventry with devastating effect.
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25 Feb-19 Mar 1941 - Bomber Command begins regular night-time bombing of industrial targets in Germany. The attacks normally consists of around 100 aircraft, including Stirling, Manchester and, from 10 March, Halifax bombers, but have only limited success
http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/rafhistorytimeline1940.cfm
RAF - RAF Timeline 1941
RAF Bombing Campaign (1940-1945) Timeline
This is also by the US thought they would do better during daylight, with their advanced Norden bombsighs. They did better, meaning that half their bombs landed in the target area.
Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But they too failed, first due to the attrition of flying bombers unescorted and second because when they hit e.g. Ballbearing factories in Schweinfurt, het interuption was minor. More effective were attacked against (synthetic) oil produciton facilities, which deprived Germany of fuel for its war machine, and against railyards.
It is true that RAF would have run out of adequately trained pilots had Luftwaffe continued to attack the airfields and RAF facilities.
USAF and RAF combined to launch 1000 bomber air raids into Germany and those raids accounted for 90% casualties - PER RAID. The Luftwaffe lost air superiority but it was still hell getting air raids inside German territory. And you have the stupidity to claim that RAF would have been able to attack German industries at 1940-41?
Yes, at least that is what the Brits attempted.
From the summer of 1940, the RAF was launching raids on Germany at night, though the bomber force was still relatively small and under-equipped. The primary targets were oil facilities and communications (e.g. railways) though as a secondary target Bomber Command was also told to attack German cities ‘for their intrinsic industrial and psychological value’ on nights when conditions prevented identification of the primary target. This became known as ‘area bombing’.
In the summer of 1941 a survey of bombing accuracy over Germany at night revealed that just 30% of bombers found their way to within even five miles of specific targets. The main difficulties were flying in darkness, bad weather and primitive navigation aids. This shocking news dashed Churchill’s high hopes for the success of bombing. He later noted that bombing could not be more than a ‘heavy …and increasing annoyance’ to the enemy. In the autumn of 1941 the decision was taken by Air Ministry planners to switch the order of target priority: Area bombing was to be the first priority. Precision raids would be carried out when conditions or circumstances allowed. The plan was endorsed by Churchill, but over the winter of 1941 the Command was ordered to reduce operations to conserve forces for the following year. The bomber force needed more aircrews, bigger bombers and better navigation equipment if it was to have any real effect on Germany.
The Early war years 1940-1942
As for the USAAF, the use of long range escort fighters reduced the loss rate to below seven percent
Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Without attacking German industries he Germans would have kept pumping out aircraft, weapons and other war machinery UNHINDERED. And any novice knows that without taking out the war-time production facilities of the enemy a war CANNOT be won.
That is precisely why the allied bomber command repeatedly sent bomber raids into Germany despite suffering heavy losses. Just how educated are you man?
Instead of wasting time on internet if you had studied harder you would have been employed in a better position in the military instead of serving their as a cook. Your knowledge on military is worse than a civilian's, loser. So better luck next time.
1. In a discussion ot the battle of britain, late war years are irrelevant.
2. As for germany's war economy:
Christos military and intelligence corner: WWII Myths – The German war economy was mismanaged
Don't quote allied propaganda.
Don't talk nonsense. It is not up to you to decide what is or isn't propaganda. Or what I can or cannot post.
German U-boat designs were used by he allies viz. USA to design their nuclear submarines.
Nope, the Americans first oncorporated the German technologies in the Barracuda and Tang class fleet boats, the first postwar design by US. Same as the Russians did. The first US nuclear sub was the Nautilus, which was an anlarged fleetboat. Hence, the nuclear boat incorporated German technologies only indirectly. German technology was no vital to the development of nuclear subs .
List of submarine classes of the United States Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The late war Elektroboats XXI (118 Type XXIs completed, of which only four fit for combat before the war ended in Europe, of which only 2 did an operational patrol) and XXIII ( 6 operational 1945) were studied (used even) by Brits, Americans, French and Russians alike. Also Germany post war.
Britain: The
U-3017 was commissioned into the
Royal Navy as
HMS N41. She was used for tests until being scrapped in November 1949
France:
U-2518 became
French submarine Roland Morillot. She saw active service during the
Suez Crisis in 1956, and remained in commission until 1967. She was scrapped in 1969.
Germany: In 1957,
U-2540, which had been
scuttled at the end of the war, was raised and refitted as
research vessel Wilhelm Bauer of the
Bundesmarine. She was operated by both military and civilian crews in a research role until 1982. In 1984, she was opened to the public by the
Deutsches Schiffahrtsmuseum (German Maritime Museum) in
Bremerhaven, Germany.
Russia: The four boats assigned by Potsdam were used in trials and tests until 1955, then scuttled or used for weapon testing between 1958 and 1973. The Type XXI design formed the basis for several Soviet design projects, Projects 611, 613, 614, 633, and 644. These became the submarine classes known by their NATO codes as
Zulu,
Whiskey and
Romeo submarine classes > ALL NON-NUKE.
USA: The United States Navy took over the
U-2513 and
U-3008, operating them both in the Atlantic. In November 1946 President
Harry S. Truman visited
U-2513; the submarine dove to 440 feet (130 m) with the President on board.
[11] The
U-2513 was sunk as a target in 1951;
U-3008 was scrapped in 1956.
Type XXI submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You just have a huge chip on your shoulder for what the nazis did to ducth. So your opinion lacks merit.
So, essentially, just because I don't agree with you and point out some things which in my opinion and from what I know about history (and which I can document) are incorrect, that means I have a chip on my shoulder about Germans because of what the Nazi's did to the Dutch. Man, you don''t even know me, you have no idea of what kind of relations I have in and with Germany. You are full of it. The only person here with a CHIP on a SHOULDER is YOU.
Did you consider that even with the Luftwaffe pracically out of commision the Allied bomber force suffered HEAVY CASUALTIES in EVERY raid they took?
It is true that bomber command suffered severe losses.
Bomber Command's Losses
The per raid isn't that high (
6-7%) but does mean that for a crew to complete a tour of 30 mission the chances are slim (16%), and at least in 1943 the luftwaffe was still very much alive
During the RCAF's Halifax operations between March 1943 and February 1944, the average loss was
6,05%, producing a mere 16% survival rate (for a tour of 30 operations)."
Loss of Lives in the Air War
The Defeat of the German Air Force
RAF reach is moot when in reality they would have been slaughtered. PLANE FOR PLANE, PILOT FOR PILOT Luftwaffe WAS BETTER. Just search for Hartmann.
Erich Alfred Hartmann (19 April 1922 – 20 September 1993), nicknamed "
Bubi" by his comrades and "
The Black Devil" by his Soviet adversaries, was a German fighter pilot during
World War II and is the most successful
fighter ace in the history of
aerial warfare. He flew 1,404 combat missions and participated in aerial combat on 825 separate occasions. He claimed, and was credited with, shooting down 352 Allied aircraft—345
Soviet and 7 American—while serving with the
Luftwaffe
When the decorated British test pilot Captain Eric Brown asked Hartmann how he had amassed 352 air victories, he revealed:
Well you can't believe it, but the Sturmovik, which was their main ground-attack aircraft, flew like B-17s in formation and didn't attempt to make any evasive manoeuvres. And all they had was one peashooter in the back of each plane. Also, some of the pilots were women. Their peashooter was no threat unless they had a very lucky hit on you. I didn't open fire til the aircraft filled my whole windscreen. If I did this, I would get one every time.[16]
His favourite method of attack was to hold fire until extremely close (20 m (66 ft) or less), then unleash a short burst at point-blank range—a technique he learned while flying as wingman of his former commander, Walter Krupinski,
Erich Hartmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Big deal.
