When Germany is Christian, is India Hindu?

[Bonkers]

Wut? Look at a map, Indonesia and Malaysia and even the Philippines are further east than India where Islam has spread.

Islam failed to convert the Kuffars in Hind and establish Allah's laws.

 

[Contrarian]

Wut? Look at a map, Indonesia and Malaysia and even the Philippines are further east than India where Islam has spread.

An example to illustrate the point.

Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq et all fully converted to Christianity within a few decades of being invaded and conquered by Muslims. All the other religions in those regions were systematically converted or exterminated. Very few fled and are the last of their religions.The demography in these countries is now 99% Muslims.

Hindus and Budhists despite being conquered for over 700 years by Muslims, did not convert, at least not fully. The only major geographically contiguous area of India that converted to Islam was Pakistan which today has 99% Muslim population.

There is an unbroken chain of Muslim countries from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan. The only breakwater - and the largest country among them- is India.

Had Hindus been fully converted, you can be sure that China, et all would have had Islam as the largest religion. The Budhists would not be present in the East Asian countries in their current strengths either.

Islam was practically stopped its faith conquering march in India on account of Hindus not converting.

 

[Kloitra]

You are just following Christianity.

If a person is calling him secular, he is unknowingly following Christianity since secularism is nothing but watered down Christianity.

Secular world has a Christian foundation

Quote from your link. So you admit that concept of individual and human rights is of Christian origins? Hinduism never thought of human rights?

Yet virtually all the secular ideas that non-believers value have Christian origins. To pretend otherwise is to toss the substance of those ideas away. It was theologians and religiously minded philosophers who developed the concepts of individual and human rights. Same with progress, reason, and equality before the law: it is fantasy to suggest these values emerged out of thin air once people started questioning God.

 

[Bonkers]

Quote from your link. So you admit that concept of individual and human rights is of Christian origins? Hinduism never thought of human rights?

The English words of 'progress, reason, and equality' and 'human rights' were conceived in the Euro-centric worldly framework as the path forward for humanity with Europe as the enlightening force.

These were already existing in India since eternity. They are nothing new to humanity.

Only the Euro world views as their Inventions!

 

[Kloitra]

The English words of 'progress, reason, and equality' and 'human rights' were conceived in the Euro-centric worldly framework as the path forward for humanity with Europe as the enlightening force.

These were already existing in India since eternity. They are nothing new to humanity.

Only the Euro world views as their Inventions!

Now these are two conflicting claims. If you believe that this are Indian ideas, than your argument that secularism is based on Christianity fails as the ideas existed in India. So pick one, is secularism following Christianity or its base already existed in India.

 

[474474]

An example to illustrate the point.

Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq et all fully converted to Christianity within a few decades of being invaded and conquered by Muslims. All the other religions in those regions were systematically converted or exterminated. Very few fled and are the last of their religions.The demography in these countries is now 99% Muslims.

Hindus and Budhists despite being conquered for over 700 years by Muslims, did not convert, at least not fully. The only major geographically contiguous area of India that converted to Islam was Pakistan which today has 99% Muslim population.

There is an unbroken chain of Muslim countries from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan. The only breakwater - and the largest country among them- is India.

Had Hindus been fully converted, you can be sure that China, et all would have had Islam as the largest religion. The Budhists would not be present in the East Asian countries in their current strengths either.

Islam was practically stopped its faith conquering march in India on account of Hindus not converting.

You can't read can you? The countries I mentioned had similar beliefs yet hold large Muslim populations

 

[Umair Nawaz]

From a Blog ( so apologies in advance) , the contents are thought provoking..

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rc...9miOtajjo-HpnXpzQ&sig2=57vtRfy6Ie91tqK2sK1Auw

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rc...9miOtajjo-HpnXpzQ&sig2=57vtRfy6Ie91tqK2sK1Auw

By Maria Wirth
11 May 13

Though I live in India since long, there are still some points that I find hard to understand - for example why many educated Indians become agitated when India is considered as a Hindu country. The majority of Indians are Hindus. India is special because of its ancient Hindu tradition. Westerners are drawn to India because of it. Why then is there this resistance by many Indians to acknowledge the Hindu roots of their country?

This attitude is strange for two reasons. First, those educated Indians seem to have a problem only with ‘Hindu’ India, but not with ‘Muslim’ or ‘Christian’ countries. In Germany for example, only 59 percent of the population are registered with the two big Christian Churches (Protestant and Catholic), however, the country is bracketed under ‘Christian countries’. Angela Merkel, the Chancellor, stressed recently the Christian roots of Germany and urged the population ‘to go back to Christian values’. In 2012, she postponed her trip to the G-8 summit for a day to address the German Catholic Day. Two major political parties carry ‘Christian’ in their name, including Angela Merkel’s ruling party.

Germans are not agitated that Germany is called a Christian country, though I actually would understand if they were. After all, the history of the Church is appalling. The so called success story of Christianity depended greatly on tyranny. “Convert or die”, were the options given not only to the indigenous population in America some five hundred years ago. In Germany, too, 1200 years ago, the emperor Karl the Great ordered the death sentence for refusal of baptism in his newly conquered realms. It provoked his advisor Alkuin to comment: ‘One can force them to baptism, but how to force them to believe?’

Those times, when one’s life was in danger if one dissented with the dogmas of the Church, are thankfully over. And nowadays many in the west do dissent and leave the Church in a steady stream - partly because they are disgusted with the less than holy behavior of Church officials and partly because they can’t believe in the dogmas, for example that ‘Jesus is the only way’ and that God sends all those who don’t accept this to hell.

And here comes the second reason why the resistance to associate India with Hinduism by Indians is difficult to understand. Hinduism is in a different category from the Abrahamic religions. Its history, compared to Christianity and Islam was undoubtedly the least violent as it spread in ancient times by convincing arguments and not by force. It is not a belief system that demands blind belief in dogmas and the suspension of one’s intelligence. On the contrary, Hinduism encourages using one’s intelligence to the hilt. It is an enquiry into truth, based on a refined (methods are given) character and intellect. It comprises a huge body of ancient literature, not only regarding Dharma and philosophy, but also regarding music, architecture, dance, science, astronomy, economics, politics, etc.

If Germany or any other western country had this kind of literary treasure, it would be so proud and highlight its greatness on every occasion. When I discovered for example the Upanishads, I was stunned. Here was expressed in clear terms what I intuitively had felt to be true, but could not have expressed clearly. Brahman is not partial; it is the invisible, indivisible essence in everything. Everyone gets again and again a chance to discover the ultimate truth and is free to choose his way back to it. Helpful hints are given but not imposed.

In my early days in India, I thought that every Indian knew and valued his tradition. Slowly I realized that I was wrong. The British colonial masters had been successful in not only weaning away many of the elite from their ancient tradition but even making them despise it. It helped that the ‘educated’ class could no longer read the original Sanskrit texts and believed what the British told them. This lack of knowledge and the brainwashing by the British education may be the reason why many ‘modern’ Indians are against anything ‘Hindu’. They don’t realize the difference between western religions that have to be believed (or at least professed) blindly, and which discourage if not forbid their adherents to think on their own and the multi-layered Hindu Dharma which gives freedom and encourages using one’s intelligence.

Many of the educated class do not realize that on one hand, westerners, especially those who dream to impose their own religion on this vast country, will applaud them for denigrating Hindu Dharma, because this helps western universalism to spread in India. On the other hand, many westerners, including Church people, very well know the value and surreptitiously appropriate insights from the vast Indian knowledge system, drop the original source and present it either as their own or make it look as if these insights had been known in the west.

Rajiv Malhotra of Infinity Foundation has done painstaking research in this field and has documented many cases of “digestion” of Dharma civilization into western universalism. He chose the term digestion, as it implies that that which is being digested (a deer for example) is in the end no longer there, whereas the ‘digester’ (a tiger) becomes stronger. Similarly, Hindu civilization is gradually being depleted of its valuable, exclusive assets and what is left is called inferior.

If only missionaries denigrated Hindu Dharma, it would not be so bad, as they clearly have an agenda which discerning Indians would detect. But sadly, Indians with Hindu names assist them because they wrongly believe that Hinduism is inferior to western religions. They belittle everything Hindu instead of getting thorough knowledge. As a rule, they know little about their tradition except what the British told them, i.e. that the major features are caste system and idol worship. They don’t realize that India would gain, not lose, if it solidly backed its profound and all inclusive Hindu tradition. The Dalai Lama said some time ago that already as a youth in Lhasa, he had been deeply impressed by the richness of Indian thought. “India has great potential to help the world,” he added. When will the westernized Indian elite realize it?

Which dumbo has written this?
He has not idea what he is talking about. He says Hinduism didnt spread by Force but Islam did

 

[Bonkers]

Which dumbo has written this?
He has not idea what he is talking about. He says Hinduism didnt spread by FGorce but Islam did

Allah has commanded Muslims in the Holy Quran:

Surat Al-'Anfal [8:39] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

Surat At-Tawbah [9:29] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

 

[bornmoron]

Every 1 is a secular on cam & an extremist behind the cam,

 

[Ayush]

Which dumbo has written this?
He has not idea what he is talking about. He says Hinduism didnt spread by FGorce but Islam did

that is true umair bhai..

 

[Bonkers]

Now these are two conflicting claims. If you believe that this are Indian ideas, than your argument that secularism is based on Christianity fails as the ideas existed in India. So pick one, is secularism following Christianity or its base already existed in India.

You question was pertaining to Human rights?

Equality and freedom of religions is existing in the Dharmic framework.

 

[faithfulguy]

An example to illustrate the point.

Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq et all fully converted to Christianity within a few decades of being invaded and conquered by Muslims. All the other religions in those regions were systematically converted or exterminated. Very few fled and are the last of their religions.The demography in these countries is now 99% Muslims.

Hindus and Budhists despite being conquered for over 700 years by Muslims, did not convert, at least not fully. The only major geographically contiguous area of India that converted to Islam was Pakistan which today has 99% Muslim population.

There is an unbroken chain of Muslim countries from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan. The only breakwater - and the largest country among them- is India.

Had Hindus been fully converted, you can be sure that China, et all would have had Islam as the largest religion. The Budhists would not be present in the East Asian countries in their current strengths either.

Islam was practically stopped its faith conquering march in India on account of Hindus not converting.

India is a Hindu because many high caste Indian would not give up their privileged status. That is why.

 

[Kaniska]

No- because mixing relegion and state affairs is always a bad idea

I agree with you...But these are the ways how our politician and intelligentsia have avoided to answer very difficult questions to be solved in our society...Do not jump with the gun with saying that I am for Hindu nation....but my saying or not saying does not change the fact that we are a Hindu majority nation with intention to leave amicable with other Indian religion people too....

But as long as Hindu's humiliated and discriminated in our secular media like this is happening now...I do not know what lies with the future of my country....

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

India is a hindu majority country. That is a fact. We want our laws to be secular hence we dont like being called hindu country. Germans can call themselves christian country, why should we be like them.

She dont want us to declare us as a Hindu country. But it have become a fashion among indian youth's nowadays, to move themselves away with Indian past history and traditions. They consider it is not fashionable as they are under the western influence. How many know , even now, Indian astrology is the best in this world? Indian youth's will detest that.

She wants India to recognise the national treasures of the past, which were written under the shades of religion. The govt too is not too keen to promote our ancient literature, so is it wrong?
Govt shelters under the blanket of "secularism". So an noble literature written by ancient people, long before Islam came, will be disregarded by Muslims now? Wont the current Indian muslims read their work as one of their own anchestors?

 

[MastanKhan]

So expand your spokesmanship to a slightly wider group. Not all Educated Hindus think the same.

Hey buddy,

You started to sound like and 'islamic' protecting his turf.