When can Pakistan have 100% power availability?

[BetterPakistan]

What would your government be doing outside of what it has done to end the power crises? Obviously, you think they are not doing anything......? How come so many other government and military rules who ruled the country for about 50 years outside of these guys, couldn't produce jack shiit???

Your current government is as business friendly as they come. They've put in tremendous amounts of effort and have started the largest power generation projects since the early 70's (Tarbela dam). So projects this size, don't finish over night. They take 5-7 years. Which is exactly what the current government and international audit companies predict. Also, remember, delays are a PART of a project. Having delay due to so many international components involved, doesn't mean "corruption" by default. People in Pakistan are so paranoid that they think a delay in a project means corruption by the current government. Also, projects fail too and sometime have to be shut down irrespective of the cost put in. That's why they are called projects, because you are trying to produce something unique in a certain time frame that is new to the geography, area or provides a unique capability.

I am actually shocked to see your statement and I am also laughing on it. What our govt is doing to end loadshedding? Don't just see the projects on internet see whether they are actually working or not. That Nandipur flopped 3 times and again flopped. That Gadani 6600 MW, another big flop. Military rule was less then 30 years for your information.

Jack shit? You should search something Pakistan only did progress in Military rules. Search something first.
Your information is again wrong. Mangla Dam was started in Ayub Khan reign and it was opened when General Zia ul Haq was in power. One more wrong statement by you.

You have no information, I guess. In Musharraf reign four dams were completed which are Mirani, Subakzai, Gomalzam, Khurram, and Tangi.

I suggest you to read the history of Pakistan and you will know Military always delivered Pakistan.
I know it take 5-7 years but making small hydropower projects doesn't take that much time. Making small solar projects doesn't take that much time. Making small wind power projects doesn't take that much time. Making coal power projects doesn't take that much time. This govt was in power in last 5 years in Punjab did they tried to end loadshedding by making small hydropower, solar, wind or coal power projects.

969 MW Neelum-Jhelum (started by PPP) will be completed next year and 100 MW solar project bhawalpur will be completed next year. Electricity production can also be increase by enhancing the current electricity system for your information. Electricity usage can be reduce by removing theft also.

Okay, delays doesn't mean corruption but shutting the project before starting after entire money paid means corruption because that money never comes back. Project of a few billions cost when end there cost become more then 100 billion doesn't mean corruption? Really?

I am always shock to see you guys sitting outside and telling us what is happening in Pakistan? We know more then you because we can see everything through our eyes, We don't see everything on internet.

 

[Paksanity]

What would your government be doing outside of what it has done to end the power crises? Obviously, you think they are not doing anything......? How come so many other government and military rules who ruled the country for about 50 years outside of these guys, couldn't produce jack shiit???

Your current government is as business friendly as they come. They've put in tremendous amounts of effort and have started the largest power generation projects since the early 70's (Tarbela dam). So projects this size, don't finish over night. They take 5-7 years. Which is exactly what the current government and international audit companies predict. Also, remember, delays are a PART of a project. Having delay due to so many international components involved, doesn't mean "corruption" by default. People in Pakistan are so paranoid that they think a delay in a project means corruption by the current government. Also, projects fail too and sometime have to be shut down irrespective of the cost put in. That's why they are called projects, because you are trying to produce something unique in a certain time frame that is new to the geography, area or provides a unique capability.




Care to outline any proof? Any petitions filed in the SC where a decision was made that the current "thugs" were involved in corruption? Or should be just believe that these guys have essentially deceived the Military, your famous ISI and the Supreme Court? If that's the case, then the ISI's political cell should be shut down or everyone should be fired there and these guys should be hired in that department . The point is, if you don't have any proof outside of ARY and a third class journalist called Lick-Man, don't gossip please. Let the country continue on the economic growth path that these guys have started and let these massive projects turn into reality over the three years. Then....the PEOPLE get to chose who to vote for. Not you and me sitting thousands of miles away.

Your knowledge about my country and how it works is awfully limited, sir!

 

[taimur12]

What would your government be doing outside of what it has done to end the power crises? Obviously, you think they are not doing anything......? How come so many other government and military rules who ruled the country for about 50 years outside of these guys, couldn't produce jack shiit???

Your current government is as business friendly as they come. They've put in tremendous amounts of effort and have started the largest power generation projects since the early 70's (Tarbela dam). So projects this size, don't finish over night. They take 5-7 years. Which is exactly what the current government and international audit companies predict. Also, remember, delays are a PART of a project. Having delay due to so many international components involved, doesn't mean "corruption" by default. People in Pakistan are so paranoid that they think a delay in a project means corruption by the current government. Also, projects fail too and sometime have to be shut down irrespective of the cost put in. That's why they are called projects, because you are trying to produce something unique in a certain time frame that is new to the geography, area or provides a unique capability.


Care to outline any proof? Any petitions filed in the SC where a decision was made that the current "thugs" were involved in corruption? Or should be just believe that these guys have essentially deceived the Military, your famous ISI and the Supreme Court? If that's the case, then the ISI's political cell should be shut down or everyone should be fired there and these guys should be hired in that department . The point is, if you don't have any proof outside of ARY and a third class journalist called Lick-Man, don't gossip please. Let the country continue on the economic growth path that these guys have started and let these massive projects turn into reality over the three years. Then....the PEOPLE get to chose who to vote for. Not you and me sitting thousands of miles away.

@Viper0011. very well written. agreed with everything. appreciate the effort you put in to write it. i sometimes try to reply or even create a thread with links to our budgets. the deficit we run and debt we have accumulated, but i start the first line and then quit. not worth it.

 

[ziaulislam]

ISLAMABAD:
The $914-million Tarbela fourth extension hydropower project, planned to add 1,410 megawatts by 2018, is facing delays as the country could spend only 17% of the contracted loan in the first three years, underscoring the problems at the implementation stage.

The slow pace of work has not only put an additional burden on the exchequer in the shape of millions of dollars that the government is paying to the World Bank (WB) in commitment charges on unspent amounts, but it has also blocked the resources that could have been used in other areas.

The Washington-based lending agency approved $840 million for the project in 2012. But almost three years after the work began, the disbursements have amounted to only $143.5 million, or just 17% of the total, reveal documents of the Economic Affairs Division.

The actual spending is even less than the disbursement. The WB released the latest tranche of $23.1 million in December.

The slowdown is threatening the timely completion of the project, which is due in 2018, three and half years down the line.

The WB board had approved a mix of concessionary and expensive loans to add 1,410MW to the existing generation capacity of Tarbela hydropower project. After completion, Tarbela’s generation capacity will increase to 4,888MW.

The bank gave $440 million out of its concessionary lending arm – International Development Association. The remaining $400 million came from the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development that carries higher interest rates.

Other cases

Officials of the Economic Affairs Division (EAD) said that the unspent amount for the Tarbela project was not the only case where the government was paying millions of dollars in commitment charges. In the power sector, almost $3 billion in loans extended by the WB and Asian Development Bank had remained unutilised, blocking the precious resources besides putting extra burden on the exchequer.

The WB-funded Natural Gas Efficiency project worth $100 million is another troubled project. The project was approved in 2012 and disbursements to date stood at only $300,000.

Not as bad as it looks

The EAD’s indicative disbursement chart shows zero releases by the WB against the Tarbela fourth project in the next three years. However, the Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda) officials insist that things are not as bad as they look on paper.

The WB has recently approved an accelerated implementation programme to fast track work on the project and the extension phase will be completed in 2017, a year ahead of the original plan, claimed Zafar Mehmood, Chairman of Wapda, while talking to The Express Tribune.

At the time of approval, the project had won strong support from the directors of the WB. They had termed it a low hanging fruit for Pakistan that would help shift the energy mix away from imported fuel oil for thermal generation to low-carbon, least-cost renewable hydropower generation.

However, the directors had particularly encouraged focus on efficiency and transparency in procurement and financial management, promoting good governance as well as careful implementation of the Social Action Plan to deal with outstanding resettlement issues.

The directors urged close monitoring, given the range of risks facing the project’s implementation – an advice that probably fell on deaf ears.

The Express Tribune contacted the local office of the WB and sought its response and the needed corrective measures to put the project back on track. However, the official spokesperson gave a terse response, saying “all contracts have been awarded and are now being executed”.

Despite delays in the award of the contracts and actual work on the ground, the latest report of the WB has awarded the project a ‘satisfactory’ rating.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 8th, 2015.
Tarbela fourth extension: Project faces delay as only 17% of funds spent so far – The Express Tribune

PML N has even broken PPPP worse performance record

 

[nvKyleBrown]

Gotta cut off the people who don't pay the bill.

 

[AsifIjaz]

Bearable load shedding by 2018/19...
the small wind, solar, biogas, biomass etc will not form the backbone of the new energy mix but will definitely improve the energy mix. Thar cola plant by Engro, Chashnup 3 & 4, Guddu power, Hub power expansion into coal, tarbela 4, nelum jehlum, and running or conversion of 2/3 power plants on LNG will be cause of this. more people will opt for solar systems at home thus decreasing peak demand.
The load shedding will end probably by 2021..
this would be probably due to Kanup 2 and 3 and more coal power plants at thar and balochistan.

I don't forsee bhasha, munda, khurrum tangi, dasu etc before 2025. the whole situation can improve if some government with the will power can shut the markets by 9 or 10 pm. that would be blessing in disguise.

 

[tarrar]

As long as corrupt politicians are ruling Pakistan this is not going to happen.

 

[SBD-3]

A logical decision economically but unfortunately the others vote too which is why it makes zero sense politically.

K Electric does it in Karachi and things are good here. There are areas in KPK,Balochistan and interior Sindh posting as low as 50-10% collection. The collection in south Punjab is also not encouragingly high. If you think of it, its social and economic justice. Only those who pay for the thing should get it. Electricity is not a freebie not for everyone.

As long as corrupt politicians are ruling Pakistan this is not going to happen.

Thanks God you're sticking to your line

 

[SBD-3]

And there is ill-informed judicial intervention

 

[Qalandari]

One needs to wait for another 8 to 10 years.

 

[Gauss]

Economics 101 : Shortages are caused when the prices are lower then what they should be.
So, Pakistan's power shortage will finish when the prices get raised to a level that market demands. Higher prices will bring in more producers, which will increase the power supply and end the shortage. But obviously government cant double the prices overnight. I think that by constantly increasing the prices for a further 10 years we will reach the equilibrium price (the price at which demand and supply are equal).

 

[Icewolf]

Economics 101 : Shortages are caused when the prices are lower then what they should be.
So, Pakistan's power shortage will finish when the prices get raised to a level that market demands. Higher prices will bring in more producers, which will increase the power supply and end the shortage. But obviously government cant double the prices overnight. I think that by constantly increasing the prices for a further 10 years we will reach the equilibrium price (the price at which demand and supply are equal).

Lol are you for real

 

[Gauss]

Lol are you for real

why, what did i say wrong ?

 

[airmarshal]

Never! Not under PPP and PMLN rule who are making money out of your misery.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

Economics 101 : Shortages are caused when the prices are lower then what they should be.
So, Pakistan's power shortage will finish when the prices get raised to a level that market demands. Higher prices will bring in more producers, which will increase the power supply and end the shortage. But obviously government cant double the prices overnight. I think that by constantly increasing the prices for a further 10 years we will reach the equilibrium price (the price at which demand and supply are equal).

Only true in a free market. If the government is running the whole operation, this won't happen. So, could an independent operator actually move into the market? From what I've heard before here, it seems like prices are as high or higher than the US, for example. But if you have to have government approval and the government won't approve an external actor, then you are stuck.