When an assertive China outsmarts a clumsy India

[CorporateAffairs]

No doubt the visit to Japan has infuriated China. But the better response should have been a strong message that India will do anything to protect her territorial integrity.

For that you need a SPINED PM, and man mohan hasn't got one dude.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

For that you need a SPINED PM, and man mohan hasn't got one dude.

True!

Considered the Italians marines case, we all expected under coming elections the current Govt to show some spine. But alas it was too much to hope for.

 

[RazPaK]

China outplayed India.

 

[Nan Yang]

When an assertive China outsmarts a clumsy India
By G Parthasarathy
02nd June 2013

Unlike India, whose leaders and strategists are guided by Western diplomatic and strategic thinking, China is guided primarily by the strategies enunciated in the 6th century BC, in the words of one of its generals, Sun Tzu. Drawing on the sayings of Sun Tzu, China has outmanoeuvred a clumsy India, held in awe of Chinese economic and military power and its impressive infrastructure on its borders in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh.

Sun Tzu proclaimed: “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting,” adding, “All warfare is based on deception.”

Actually there is a lesser known Chinese military book call the 36 stratagems. It is so wicked that some Emperor banned it.


Example. This could be called the Xiao Li Chang Dao strategem. Hidden dagger behind a smile.

 

[gpit]

The Indian counter move was the Indo Japanese security pact, that region is the one that will hurt China the most. India was on the fence, but the fool hardiness made us more assertive - as for halting patrolling and suspending infrastructure - the intensity for both has doubled now and in all likelihood, the chinese will not be able to pull a similar stunt again. Its a huge border and hard to cover the entire stretch - but the intrusion was detected within 6 hours and was nullified after even the most ardent chinese supporter in India acknowledging that China is our enemy.

As for Pakistan, we have a favourable leadership there and probably for a long time.No matter who wins in Pakistan (out of the 3), they'll want better relations with India.

A big price to pay for a minor victory - I would say, Sun Tzu must be turning in his grave.

Indeed India wins and China looses again this time! Congratulations on your invincibility!

Can India win even bigger by giving up Zang Nan (aka AP) to China and form more security packs with S Korea, Australia, US, ... all sorts of powers from the West and the East?


And to make Sun Tzu jump out of his grave...

 

[illusion8]

Let's assume the chinese won some kind of a victory over India, but this is a far cry from any kind of a victory - neither has it achieved anything nor has it given any benefits to CCP - the Delhi mandarins are actually suggesting it as a diplomatic victory for India - the old loony f@rts. What it has done in reverse is it has subdued the Hindi Chini bhai Bhai rant that the congis were recently chanting and have woken them to the commie threat.

 

[Zero_wing]

again troublemakers

 

[GR!FF!N]

India destroyed bunkers in Chumar to resolve Ladakh row, Army officers confirm - Times Of India

In addition to destroying the bunkers we asked to be destroyed, they also halted all infrastructure work in the region as well.

Also, this:

Indian troops suspend patrols at Chumar - Times Of India



So they have stopped patrolling in Chumar as well.

are you mentioning this????

Chinese incursion: Indian soldiers to patrol closer to China border

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/255568-indian-chinese-troops-meet-arunachal.html

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

No doubt the visit to Japan has infuriated China. But the better response should have been a strong message that India will do anything to protect her territorial integrity.

We got the Chinese to retreat from our territory by destroying some bunker. I think it's not bad considering they are a much stronger country. No harm admitting that.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Indeed India wins and China looses again this time! Congratulations on your invincibility!

thank you

Can India win even bigger by giving up Zang Nan (aka AP) to China and form more security packs with S Korea, Australia, US, ... all sorts of powers from the West and the East?

India giving up Arunachal Pradesh to China exists only if People of Arunachal Pradesh claim to be part China.

However judging the current situation there is a higher probability of Tibet and Xinjiang becoming independent nations than the above cases happening

 

[Speeder 2]

When an assertive China outsmarts a clumsy India
By G Parthasarathy
02nd June 2013

Unlike India, whose leaders and strategists are guided by Western diplomatic and strategic thinking, China is guided primarily by the strategies enunciated in the 6th century BC, in the words of one of its generals, Sun Tzu. Drawing on the sayings of Sun Tzu, China has outmanoeuvred a clumsy India, held in awe of Chinese economic and military power and its impressive infrastructure on its borders in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh.

Sun Tzu proclaimed: “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting,” adding, “All warfare is based on deception.” Under siege on its coastal frontiers over maritime territorial disputes with Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia, China’s rulers have evidently decided that it is necessary for them to keep their western frontiers with India quiet. But, for this it was necessary to force India into a position of immobilisation on its borders, which would preclude it from building its defences or infrastructure along the Ladakh-Tibet border. By moving merely 50 soldiers into Depsang in Ladakh in April, China rattled India into a virtual surrender. In Chinese/Tibetan maps between the 17th century and 1919, Depsang has been clearly depicted as being on the Ladakh side of the Ladakh-Tibet border. What China achieved by its intrusion was a pullback of Indian forces and a removal of defence structures on India’s side of the boundary and a virtual veto on India’s forward infrastructure and defence build-up on its borders. Sun Tzu would have been proud of his teachings of victory without war.

Proceeding to Pakistan while escorted in Pakistan air space by JF-17 fighters designed by Russia but supplied by China, Prime Minister Li Keqiang further rubbed India’s nose in the dust. Much of his time was spent in Islamabad on improving road connectivity through Pakistan and ****************** Kashmir. This, after he secured India’s silence by getting India to agree that “the two sides are committed taking a positive view and support each other’s friendship with other countries”. In effect, he had secured an Indian commitment not to raise inconvenient questions about Sino-Pakistan nuclear, missile and military collaboration. Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are of Chinese design, its Plutonium facilities and ballistic missiles are of Chinese origin. China has emerged as Pakistan’s largest weapons supplier, with weaponry ranging from fighter jets, to frigates and tanks.

China’s official mouthpiece Global Times gloated over what had transpired. It first ridiculed India’s concerns about Sino-Pakistan nuclear cooperation. Then for good measure it added: “India must accept and adapt to the enviable friendship between China and Pakistan. China cannot scale down this friendship merely because of Indian feelings.” New Delhi appears to have been so overawed by China’s leadership that it did not take up the significant shift that has taken place in China’s nuclear doctrine. In its recently published defence white paper, China has for the first time omitted all mention of its long-term policy of “no first use” of nuclear weapons. This implies that in the event of tensions escalating with Pakistan over a 26/11-style terrorist attack, India could conceivably face the threat of nuclear blackmail from China. While we have endorsed China’s role in the Gulf of Aden, why did we not secure a similar Chinese endorsement of an Indian role in the South China Sea? On issues of water security, we have secured no guarantee from China on prior consultations on upstream projects across the Brahmaputra. All that the Chinese have agreed to is the provision of “flood-season hydrological data”.

Having proclaimed that “the greatest victory is that which requires no battle”, Sun Tzu must be grinning in the high heavens over what China has achieved in India in a matter of a few weeks. It is perhaps time for our mandarins to do some serious reading of Kautilya’s Arthashastra and to heed Defence Minister A K Antony’s words that there can be no “miracles” in India-China relations.

Indian Strategic Studies: When an assertive China outsmarts a clumsy India

@ G Parthasarathy from the OP,

You would have made a smarter point to prove that your IQ is > 90 had you started by describing the Ice Age.


Chinese average IQ: 105

Indian average IQ: 81

China outsmarts India: 24 pts

Get it?



European avearge IQ: 100

Sub Sahara African average IQ: about 70.

Europe outsmarts Sub-Sahara Africa: about 30 pts.


In the long run assuming eveything else being equal, China-India general achievement gap WILL be more or less akin to the European-Sub Sahara African gap that we now witness - that is just the standard norm.



Now drill this into your thick skull:

Since China today is STILL more or less at her lowest point of technological strenthgh (relative to the rest of the world) of her last 2,000-yrs history, the China-India achievement gap you see today is the smallest within your entire lifetime and your child's and grandchild's - you can verify this assessment every single year of your remaining life!

"assertive China outsmarts a clumsy India", well of course it does! Today is just a humble start. You aren't seen nothing yet, kid.

 

[HongWu]

India keeps begging for another 1962 spanking. We gave them a taste in Daulat Beg Oldi. They will be back for more.

 

[Enemy]

India keeps begging for another 1962 spanking. We gave them a taste in Daulat Beg Oldi. They will be back for more.

Now see what your handsome dictator Premier says:

"China and India are friendly neighbours and we are also natural partners. Both of our countries stand for amicable and peaceful relations between the countries and a multi polar world. The peaceful and friendly relations between our two countries is blessing not just to Asia but also the whole world," --- Li Keqiang (Chinese dictator Premier)

India, China must shake hands to raise Asia

Whenever I look at this guy's face... I just...

 

[JSCh]

What is all this rhetorical trolling with perception manipulation?

I thought the recent incident is to restore the status quo in sino-indian border.