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When Afghans Look to Border With Pakistan, They Don’t See a Fixed Line



By MATTHEW ROSENBERG
Published: October 28, 2012
KABUL, Afghanistan — It is perhaps a measure of the growing anxiety in Afghanistan that an American envoy’s seemingly innocuous comments about a border first laid down in the 19th century could provoke a week of defiant missives from Afghan officials and fearful murmurings about conspiracies being hatched in Washington and Islamabad.

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The contentious Durand Line separating Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Ahmed Barakzai, a Kabul jeweler, summed it up well: With America’s departure looming, Afghans “know they are entering a dangerous time,” he said between bites of fish at a crowded restaurant. The men around him all nodded.

The “issue of the line,” as he called the border, may be minor to the rest of the world. But it “shows us we have friends who we cannot trust,” said Mr. Barakzai, 43. Everyone listening knew he meant America, and they kept nodding.

The border, of course, is no simple boundary: It is the Durand Line, named for the British colonial official who drew it up to separate Imperial Britain’s Indian possessions from Afghanistan — dividing traditionally Pashtun lands between Afghanistan and what would later become Pakistan. To the world at large today, the line, however contentious, is official.

Just don’t say as much to Afghans. Ambassador Marc Grossman, America’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, learned this the hard way last week when asked by an Afghan television reporter whether the United States agreed that “the lands beyond this border, the Durand Line, are the lands of Afghanistan.”

Mr. Grossman’s answer — “the border is the international border” — has been American policy for decades. Afghanistan’s claim to a large chunk of northwestern Pakistan, which it believes the British stole, is taken seriously only in Afghanistan.

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So Mr. Grossman moved on, segueing into the need for more regional cooperation — diplomat-speak for better ties between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

If only it were that easy. Mr. Grossman’s comments quickly became headline news in Afghanistan, and remained so for days. The Foreign Ministry, which knew Mr. Grossman had said nothing new, nonetheless jumped on the comments, calling Washington’s position “irrelevant.”

“The status of the Durand Line is a matter of historic importance for the Afghan people,” it said in a statement.

President Hamid Karzai’s spokesman, Aimal Faizi, also expressed pique in a message marking Id al-Adha, the Islamic holiday that began Friday. “May almighty God bring peace, security and unity to Afghanistan, particularly to both sides of the Durand Line,” the spokesman’s office said in a statement.

Mr. Grossman’s comments, delivered at a time when Afghans are particularly apprehensive about their country’s future, hit a tender nerve. Increasingly, and openly, Afghans have been debating the limits of what they can expect from the United States, an ally that is often both reviled here and seen as a needed benefactor and protector.

Compounding the insult, in the Afghan view, is that the United States is taking the side of Pakistan, whose government is seen as harboring or even aiding Taliban and Haqqani militants waging the insurgency in Afghanistan who are sheltered in the territories cut off by the Durand Line.

“For the Afghan side, there was always this expectation that if we involved the U.S. deeper into Afghanistan’s issues, it was going to lead to a solution of the problem with militant extremism from Pakistan,” said Haseeb Humayoon of QARA Consulting, a policy advisory firm in Kabul.

But now, he added, the United States is pulling back, and “the problem remains.”

The sense of dashed expectations is palpable, and hopes are increasingly being replaced with conspiracy theories. Though such theories — mirroring those often heard about the United States on the Pakistani side of the border, if slightly less energetic — have always been whispered here, they are picking up volume as the American withdrawal nears.

Mr. Barakzai, the jeweler, speculated that Mr. Grossman’s comments stemmed from a secret deal between Washington and Islamabad to subjugate Afghanistan — a twist on Pakistani paranoia that America’s war in Afghanistan has been nothing more than a pretext to deprive Pakistan of its nuclear arsenal.

Did he believe it? He was not sure, nor were the other men who had joined in the conversation. But they had questions: Is America really leaving? What, then, does Washington want to leave behind? Who are Americans “really listening to?”

Most insisted they were among the Afghans who had welcomed the United States intervention against the Taliban in 2001. They were certainly of the class that had benefited from the resulting American-financed prosperity, which may be meager by Western standards but was unimaginable here only a short time ago.

But now Afghans “do not know what is the real plan of America for our country,” another man said.

Maybe there is no plan? No, they all agreed, not possible: The United States is too powerful to be operating without a plan.

The talk was more than idle kebab shop chitchat. Abdul Hamid Mubariz, a former deputy minister of information and culture who is hardly anyone’s idea of an anti-American firebrand, said similar speculation was rife within government circles as well.

“We don’t know what the Americans are doing to be interfering in the Durand Line issue,” he said. “Is there a hidden agenda behind this? Afghans are feeling betrayed.”

He did not believe in an active conspiracy against Afghanistan. Rather, in his view, American officials, ignorant of the details behind Afghanistan’s claims, “were encouraged and convinced by Pakistan to raise the Durand Line issue and announce it internationally.”

After all, Mr. Mubariz said, Mr. Grossman had stopped in Pakistan before coming to Afghanistan.

No matter the American intent, the conclusion is obvious for Afghans: America “is not to be trusted,” he said. “Now we understand that whatever President Karzai was doing or saying against the West, he was right.”

Jawad Sukhanyar contributed reporting from Kabul, Afghanistan.
 
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Afghan may not like it but sorry dear afghans and their "friends" people on this side of the line don't want to go back in the 19th century. they are and want to remain pakistanis. Infact in reality majority don't even like afghan refugees living on this side of the border. afghans have ruined their society and culture, many had to move and settle in punjab and Karachi just because of societal issues that afghans brought with them. If a situation arises a pathan would choose punjab over afghanistan any day.
 
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Afghans can look over to the east and see paradise... We have been hosting their refugees for a long time....

Even our Pathans have become tired of them, one incident in Bajaur when the Afghan tribals and Afghan Army tried to take over the Durand Line, we didnt even have to send our Army in, our own Pathans kicked their *** and sent them back home... Ever since that day, the only time Afghans cross the Pak-Afghan border is when they want to become refugees.
 
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^^ the porous border to my opinion should be regulated with concrete wall if possible and terrain be guarded unless things are normal in Afghanistan...
 
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^^ the porous border to my opinion should be regulated with concrete wall if possible and terrain be guarded unless things are normal in Afghanistan...

Then Afghanistan will ***** about it in the UN :undecided:
 
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The Durand Line issue lingers on

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IT is perhaps a measure of the growing anxiety in Afghanistan that an American envoy's seemingly innocuous comments about a border first laid down in the 19th century could provoke a week of defiant missives from Afghan officials and fearful murmurings about conspiracies being hatched in Washington and Islamabad.

Ahmed Barakzai, a Kabul jeweller, summed it up well: With America's departure looming, Afghans "know they are entering a dangerous time", he said between bites of fish at a crowded restaurant. The men around him all nodded.

The "issue of the line," as he called the border, may be minor to the rest of the world. But it "shows us we have friends who we cannot trust," said Barakzai, 43. Everyone listening knew he meant America, and they kept nodding.

The border, of course, is no simple boundary: It is the Durand Line, named for the British colonial official who drew it up to separate Imperial Britain's Indian possessions from Afghanistan -- dividing traditionally Pashtun lands between Afghanistan and what would later become Pakistan. To the world at large today, the line, however contentious, is official.

Just don't say as much to Afghans. Ambassador Marc Grossman, the US special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, learned this the hard way last week when asked by an Afghan television reporter whether the US agreed that "the lands beyond this border, the Durand Line, are the lands of Afghanistan." Grossman's answer -- "the border is the international border" -- has been US policy for decades. Afghanistan's claim to a large chunk of northwestern Pakistan, which it believes the British stole, is taken seriously only in Afghanistan.

So Grossman moved on, segueing into the need for more regional cooperation -- diplomat-speak for better ties between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

If only it were that easy. Grossman's comments quickly became headline news in Afghanistan, and remained so for days. The Foreign Ministry, which knew Grossman had said nothing new, nonetheless jumped on the comments, calling Washington's position "irrelevant".

"The status of the Durand Line is a matter of historic importance for the Afghan people," it said in a statement.

President Hamid Karzai's spokesman, Aimal Faizi, also expressed pique in a message marking Aidiladha, the Islamic holiday that began on Friday.

"May almighty God bring peace, security and unity to Afghanistan, particularly to both sides of the Durand Line," the spokesman's office said in a statement.

Grossman's comments, delivered at a time when Afghans are particularly apprehensive about their country's future, hit a tender nerve. Increasingly, and openly, Afghans have been debating the limits of what they can expect from the US, an ally that is often both reviled here and seen as a needed benefactor and protector.

Compounding the insult, in the Afghan view, is that the US is taking the side of Pakistan, whose government is seen as harbouring or even aiding Taliban and Haqqani militants waging the insurgency in Afghanistan who are sheltering in the territories cut off by the Durand Line.

"For the Afghan side, there was always this expectation that if we involved the United States deeper into Afghanistan's issues, it was going to lead to a solution of the problem with militant extremism from Pakistan," said Haseeb Humayoon of QARA Consulting, a policy advisory firm in Kabul.

But now, he added, the US is pulling back, and "the problem remains".

The sense of dashed expectations is palpable, and hopes are increasingly being replaced with conspiracy theories. Though such theories -- mirroring those often heard about the US on the Pakistani side of the border, if slightly less energetic -- have always been whispered here, they are picking up volume as the US withdrawal nears.

Barakzai, the jeweller, speculated that Grossman's comments stemmed from a secret deal between Washington and Islamabad to subjugate Afghanistan -- a twist on Pakistani paranoia that America's war in Afghanistan has been nothing more than a pretext to deprive Pakistan of its nuclear arsenal.

Did he believe it? He was not sure, nor were the other men who had joined in the conversation. But they had questions: Is America really leaving? What, then, does Washington want to leave behind? Who are Americans "really listening to?" Most insisted they were among the Afghans who had welcomed the US intervention against the Taliban in 2001. They were certainly of the class that had benefited from the resulting US-financed prosperity, which may be meager by Western standards but was unimaginable here only a short time ago.

But now Afghans "do not know what is the real plan of America for our country," another man said.

Maybe there is no plan? No, they all agreed, not possible: The US is too powerful to be operating without a plan.

The talk was more than idle kebab shop chitchat. Abdul Hamid Mubariz, a former deputy minister of information andculture who is hardly anyone's idea of an anti-American firebrand, said similar speculation was rife within government circles as well.

"We don't know what the Americans are doing to be interfering in the Durand Line issue," he said.
"Is there a hidden agenda behind this? Afghans are feeling betrayed."

He did not believe in an active conspiracy against Afghanistan. Rather, in his view, US officials, ignorant of the details behind Afghanistan's claims, "were encouraged and convinced by Pakistan to raise the Durand Line issue and announce it internationally". After all, Mubariz said, Grossman had stopped in Pakistan before coming to Afghanistan.

No matter the US intent, the conclusion is obvious for Afghans: America "is not to be trusted," he said.

"Now we understand that whatever President Karzai was doing or saying against the West, he was right." NYT



The Durand Line issue lingers on - Columnist - New Straits Times
 
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The Durand Line issue lingers on

Ya in India's wishful dreams only. Let the Mayer of Kabul rest in peace, there will be peace on border issues with Afghanistan.
 
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when i see on the other side of the border...i see the fifth province of Pakistan.
in my humble opinion we should form a federation with Afghanistan,,pashtoons will be happy and we shall prosper.
plus we can ship the good for azerbaijan and other central asian republics out via our port Qasim.
 
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The Durand Line issue will remain unsolved for decades to come. This issue may unite Afghansistan like never before though, due to 'common enemy' Afghans will have across Durand Line. ppttpq ommwyUvnbe
 
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The Durand Line issue lingers on

image.jpg




IT is perhaps a measure of the growing anxiety in Afghanistan that an American envoy's seemingly innocuous comments about a border first laid down in the 19th century could provoke a week of defiant missives from Afghan officials and fearful murmurings about conspiracies being hatched in Washington and Islamabad.

Ahmed Barakzai, a Kabul jeweller, summed it up well: With America's departure looming, Afghans "know they are entering a dangerous time", he said between bites of fish at a crowded restaurant. The men around him all nodded.

The "issue of the line," as he called the border, may be minor to the rest of the world. But it "shows us we have friends who we cannot trust," said Barakzai, 43. Everyone listening knew he meant America, and they kept nodding.

The border, of course, is no simple boundary: It is the Durand Line, named for the British colonial official who drew it up to separate Imperial Britain's Indian possessions from Afghanistan -- dividing traditionally Pashtun lands between Afghanistan and what would later become Pakistan. To the world at large today, the line, however contentious, is official........

The Durand Line issue lingers on - Columnist - New Straits Times


Amb. Grossman surely knows that US relied on Afghan lead and mistakenly shelled Pakistani posts, that resulted in the unfortunate and terrible deaths of our soliders.

What was the result?

Blockade of Afghanistan.

It took some months before USA realized that it must ensure the sanctity of Pak-Afgh border.


Why?

Duh! Supplies cost 20-400 times more if Pakistani route is not used.

In the aftermath of that scenario, USA has a pragmatic approach towards Pakistan.

But

Sadly, Afghans who are the local bros of Pakistan, instead rely on a romnatic and outdated approach towards Pak-Afgh border.

By constantly terming it as "Durand line", they want to believe that had it not for the Brits, the line won't be there.


But this is silly notion.


Brits didn't establish this border. The credit goes to Maharaja Ranjeet Singh. Yes. He was the one who successfully pushed Afghans to the other side of Hindu-Kash mountains.

In someways it will be better to call the Pak-Afgh border as "Singh line", and not Durand line.



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