Whats Wrong with ISPR Press release emphasizing "BETTER GOVERNANCE" from Political Leadership

[VCheng]

Oh.... You don't even know the size of act and in which format it is available?

I do know that, but there is no mention of what you are claiming in it.

I am,respected sir is simply asking you that what incident is this shown in the image.Was that some raid against someone or some random bubbly bachelor party,lol

regards

Here you go Sir:

BBC NEWS | South Asia | How the 1999 Pakistan coup unfolded

 

[junadqs]

فوج آرمی چیف کی ریٹائرمنٹ سے پہلے پہلے کیا کرنا چاہتی ہے؟ کیا اس بار فوج کے ارادے خطرناک ہیں؟ جانئے عاصمہ جہانگیر سے



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[Amaa'n]

What about the parts that say "uphold the Constitution" and "not engage myself in political activities whatsoever" and "under the law" mean? Are they not equally clear words?

& do remind me about the definition of ' Political activity' - any General found leading any political party? or rallying in a political procession??
So far, all I can see is - Mushy holding a constitutional office of the Country - as 'under the law' - as signed by 'Supreme court of Pakistan' .....
as far as "Uphold the constitution' is concerned then the line also reads & I quote "uphold the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which embodies the will of the people,"

lets be honest here - You are dragging your feet over the past events, which are pretty much pointless in today's scenario ---- so lets quit this mongering

 

[junadqs]

پرامن پاکستان میں بیڈ گورنس رکاوٹ ہے ؟

فوج کے شکوے حکومت کہاں کھڑی ہے ؟

یہاں سب بکتا ہے بیچ دو ؟

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[Amaa'n]

I am,respected sir simply asking you that what incident is this shown in this image?Was that some raid against someone or some random bubbly bachelor party,lol?

regards

:O you don't know what this photo is about :O

 

[VCheng]

& do remind me about the definition of ' Political activity' - any General found leading any political party? or rallying in a political procession??
So far, all I can see is - Mushy holding a constitutional office of the Country - as 'under the law' - as signed by 'Supreme court of Pakistan' .....
as far as "Uphold the constitution' is concerned then the line also reads & I quote "uphold the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which embodies the will of the people,"

lets be honest here - You are dragging your feet over the past events, which are pretty much pointless in today's scenario ---- so lets quit this mongering

If we are really being honest here, then the recent soft coup is a perfect example of illegal meddling in politics, so the mistakes of the past are still being repeated.

The will of the people is what is embodied in the Constitution and that is why the oath says to uphold it.

There is no mongering from my side - merely facts and the law.

 

[Slav Defence]

How the 1999 Pakistan coup unfolded

On Tuesday 12 October 1999 it took Pakistan's military just 17 hours to overthrow the government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and replace him with army chief General Pervez Musharraf.
Events began when Gen Musharraf, on a visit to Sri Lanka, received word that Mr Sharif and intelligence chief General Ziauddin, secretly meeting in Islamabad, were to move against him that very day.

The sacking would be presented as a "retirement" and Gen Ziauddin would step into the most powerful job in the military.

In response, Gen Musharraf raced to Colombo airport boarding a Pakistan International Airlines flight to Karachi.

Back in Islamabad army chiefs loyal to Gen Musharraf began to mobilise troops stationed in nearby Rawalpindi.

Watched by foreign journalists, troops seized the state TV station
(that was written below this image,lol)


Mr Sharif formally appointed Gen Ziauddin as the new head of the military at his official residence in Islamabad that afternoon. But from the start it appeared things were not going to plan - with every senior officer reportedly refusing to accept his command.

Suspecting that something was up, Mr Sharif and Gen Ziauddin realised they had to prevent Gen Musharraf from returning.

At about 1600, the prime minister's office announced Gen Musharraf's retirement.

It was the excuse the army high command needed to react, and an hour later troops from 111 Brigade of the 10th Corps were on their way to Islamabad.

House arrest

As troops poured onto the streets of the capital, the 111 Brigade stormed the state television station in Islamabad and shut down the signal.

At Mr Sharif's residence, troops disarmed the guards and entered the home.

Mr Sharif refused to resign or rescind his orders to sack the army chief of staff, so he was escorted from the building and placed in a guest house close to the airport.

Soldiers fanned out across the nation, taking control of administrative buildings in every province and placing Sharif loyalists and the cabinet under house arrest.

But one man was still needed to complete the coup, and he was still in the air.

Gen Musharraf's flight approached Karachi airport at about 1830. But air traffic control refused permission for the plane, holding some 200 passengers, to land.

According to charges later laid against Mr Sharif, air traffic controllers ordered the flight to Nawabshah in Sindh province where, it is believed, the prime minister had despatched his own jet and security team to take the general into custody.

National address

Smelling a rat, Gen Musharraf apparently ordered the pilot to ignore the order and continue circling Karachi, despite the fact that fuel was running low.

The general is said to have personally spoken with air traffic controllers, demanding the right to land.

The speed of the coup left media outlets struggling to keep up
The controllers initially refused, but as soldiers surrounded the control tower they allowed the plane to land, with Gen Musharraf finally reaching home soil at 1947.

Gen Musharraf later said the plane had only seven minutes of fuel remaining.

As the general was whisked away from the airport, officers across the nation reported that the coup was virtually complete.

They controlled the TV stations, administrative buildings, the power and communications infrastructure - and had the entire cabinet under guard.

At 2215 the army restored television broadcasts and minutes later an announcement ran across the bottom of the screen stating that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had been dismissed.

At 0250 on Wednesday morning Gen Musharraf addressed the nation in a pre-recorded message, bringing the Sharif era to a close.

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Now,I am speechless right now.A picture of few military men climbing up a gate is shown and no further description was given,instead negative remarks were thrown somehow,giving bad image and driving few readers crazy.
What do I comment about this? read yourselves written in bold part and get some common sense,yar.
Now my friends will again bring some real untidy old argument that this shouldn't be done or whatever,and again what Mr.Sharif refused to do will be ignored,I am fed up now.

regards

 

[VCheng]

Now,I am speechless right now.A picture of few military men climbing up a gate is shown and no further description was given,instead negative remarks were thrown somehow,giving bad image and driving few readers crazy.
What do I comment about this? read yourselves written in bold part and get some common sense,yar.

regards

What negative remarks? The coup was an illegal act, or is that incorrect? One may try to justify it, but that fails the test of legality.

 

[Slav Defence]

:O you don't know what this photo is about :O

I wanted him to explain.I want him to simply look for himself and post me reference on his own.

regards

 

[Paksanity]

I do know that, but there is no mention of what you are claiming in it.



Here you go Sir:

BBC NEWS | South Asia | How the 1999 Pakistan coup unfolded

If you knew, you wouldn't have asked for it. You don't know anything on these matters and I can't blame you. Western experience is very intoxicating to some people. Here is what your are entirely missing,

1. Internal operation is duly and fully authorized by GoP through parliament after attack on Karachi airport.

2. The ISPR tweet which is origin of this debate makes no mention of demanding good governance or any action in an area not concerned with military. It just underscores the importance of civilian support aspect of operation. Army is asking government to establish its rule in an area of Pakistan and you dislike it?

3. If your opinion is considered true for a while it practically means all intelligence operations against Taliban, ISIS, hostile agencies, criminals gangs should be stopped forthwith or every time ISI or MI has a suspicion on an individual a parliament session should be convened to authorize permission to go ahead and do something!

How stupid one can get? ARMY IS ASKING CIVIL GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CHARGE NOT TAKING CHARGE FROM IT!

 

[VCheng]

If you knew, you wouldn't have asked for it. You don't know anything on these matters and I can't blame you. Western experience is very intoxicating to some people. Here is what your are entirely missing,

1. Internal operation is duly and fully authorized by GoP through parliament after attack on Karachi airport.

2. The ISPR tweet which is origin of this debate makes no mention of demanding good governance or any action in an area not concerned with military. It just underscores the importance of civilian support aspect of operation. Army is asking government to establish its rule in an area of Pakistan and you dislike it?

3. If your opinion is considered true for a while it practically means all intelligence operations against Taliban, ISIS, hostile agencies, criminals gangs should be stopped forthwith or every time ISI or MI has a suspicion on an individual a parliament session should be convened to authorize permission to go ahead and do something!

How stupid one can get? ARMY IS ASKING CIVIL GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CHARGE NOT TAKING CHARGE FROM IT!

My posts remain correct, logical and legal.

 

[Slav Defence]

What negative remarks? The coup was an illegal act, or is that incorrect? One may try to justify it, but that fails the test of legality.

Sir,collapse within powerful institution is a result of failed political policy.This is state of Pakistan which is equipped with nuclear technology and to save ourselves we need a strong government which can work with coordination and support and strengthen military sector,learn from Americans if you disagree with me.
Your army chief was hanging at airplane,his plane was about to crash and your prime minster was not granting permission to let his plane land safely.If he was so legal,then why not he allowed him to land safely?He could have collected proofs and demote him simply.Was that legal?was that mature?was that way that higher ministries,president and prime minister should act?
Miss Benazir Bhutto dropped state's important nuclear documents was also the news I remember,was that professional?

regards

 

[VCheng]

Sir,collapse within powerful intuition is a result of failed political policy.This is state of Pakistan which equipped with nuclear technology and to save ourselves we need a strong government who can work with coordination and support and strengthen military sector,learn from Americans if you disagree with me.
Your army chief was hanging in airplane,his plane was about to crash and your prime minster was not granting permission to let his plane land safely.If he was so legal,then why not he allowed him to land safely?He could have collected proofs and demote him simply.Was that legal?was that mature?was that way that higher ministries,president and prime minister should act?

regards

As I said before Sir, one may try to justify illegal acts done with the best of intentions, but they remain illegal, unfortunately.

 

[Jungibaaz]

It is not the place of the army to be making statements like these. Especially of a partisan nature. This is a basic thing followed in many countries, the civilians elect the governments who represent them, and the army is subordinate, and not a separate political entity.

There is nothing wrong with the content of the statement, I agree with it, but anyone objecting to such statements being made has valid grievances.

The irony here is the statement hints at a broken civilian system, yet for such a statement to be made is indicative of a broken system and power structure in itself.

 

[Paksanity]

My posts remain correct, logical and legal.

And ISPR tweet is incorrect, illogical and illegal? Oh the irony!