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Whats Wrong with ISPR Press release emphasizing "BETTER GOVERNANCE" from Political Leadership

The point is not whether the military should provide support, but that every major power player and entity (including the military) whose support is necessary, or could be considered necessary, is in favor of implementing NAP reforms, and yet the elected leadership is dithering.

So what's stopping the elected leadership from implementing NAP reforms, basking in the media glory of accomplishing something major, winning public support and making a major dent in the influence of the Army as a consequence?

The point was exactly on whether Army is mandated in either supporting or criticizing the governance of the elected government. Army was not selected by the people and does not derive its powers from people, its the constitution.

What I think is stopping the elected leadership is exactly what stopped Army to regard the constitution, power it grants and the responsibility it places.
 
I'm not contesting that, which is why I've taken pains to limit my focus on implementation of the NAP, which is essentially the focus of the Army's statement that forms the subject of this thread.

I've chosen to focus on the NAP because it represents policies and reforms that have been under discussion since the PPP government was in power, reiterated with slight variations by multiple commissions under both PPP and PMLN governments. The media and public have been discussing, reading and hearing about these proposals for years now, and some of them, like Madrassa registration and reform, may never have a better environment for implementation as we have now, given the scars from Peshawar School Attach and other atrocities by the TTP.

Expecting a donkey to pull one's cart one fine day in spring when one has starved it nearly to death all winter is silly, and then pretending that it is only a light cart is sillier still, and then kicking it when it is down is downright cruel.
 
Parliament Watch: Ups and downs in civil-military relations rock democratic boat - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Parliament Watch: Ups and downs in civil-military relations rock democratic boat
KHAWAR GHUMMAN

This week had a heady start. It began with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s government being found wanting in implementing the National Action Plan (NAP), in a high-profile meeting that he had called to review the counterterrorism efforts by the military and the civilian establishment.

Defence Minister Khawaja Asif repeated the mantra on a TV show the same evening that “the civilian and military leaderships are on the same page.”

However, events that followed, in quick succession, dented his claim
and made it look like a tattered page to most analysts, because the very next day army corps commanders publicly underlined the need for matching or complementary initiatives by the government to consolidate gains made by the military against the militants to establish enduring peace.

What really took the public by surprise was the terse response the Prime Minister’s Office issued Wednesday night. It said that “implementation of the National Action Plan is a shared responsibility and all institutions have to play their role while remaining within the ambit of the Constitution.”

Most people read in it a democratic assertion – delivered, according to some, forcefully.

Since fireworks started in the week preceding General Raheel Sharif’s visit to the United States, conspiracy theorists got busy spinning links of the events over three days to the past and future of the choppy civilian-military relationship in the country.

A PML-N official, however, rejected the perception that Mian Nawaz Sharif is in the same combative mood that cost him power twice and sent him into political exile.

“Our government is trying its best to address the thorny issues,” he told Dawn. “But one must understand that it takes time to achieve desired results.”

One of the issues was madressah reforms, which successive military and democratic governments have tried to introduce over the past 15 years but with little success, he recalled.

Other political and security cited incidents which, they said in background discussions, strained the civil-military relations that the PML-N quarters had been claiming to be ideal until recently.

A senior PML-N lawmaker intoned that the PPP had sought the Sharif brothers’ intervention following the arrest of PPP leaders Dr Asim Hussain and Qasim Zia in Sindh and Punjab. “Our leadership conveyed to the military that arrests were rocking political reconciliations in the country, but to no avail,” he said.

Indeed, more cases are coming up against other senior PPP leaders, including former prime ministers Yousuf Raza Gilani and Raja Pervez Ashraf. And the PPP leader Asif Ali Zardari accuses the PML-N government of “witch-hunting.”

Then PM Nawaz Sharif’s performance in the United Nations in September and his meetings with US President Barack Obama in October didn’t go well with the GHQ, according to an observer of international events.

“Once it was decided (at home) to take up the issue of Indian involvement in Pakistan’s internal affairs, the prime minister was expected to use the forums effectively. But what happened was that those fabled ‘dossiers’ were handed to the office of the UN Secretary General of UN by a low key official.

“Does anyone know about the contents of these dossiers?” the observer asked.

A security official privy to the development told Dawn that the military establishment wasn’t happy with the way the prime minister played down the importance of the dossiers “which had been prepared with lots of [the military’s] input.”

PM Sharif quashed their expectations in his meeting with President Obama. “So much so that when asked about the dossiers, which were delivered to Washington too, at a follow up press conference US Secretary of State John Kerry said he was unaware of any such development. A senior foreign office official accepted that the handing of dossiers both to the UN SG and the US was downplayed by us, for whatever reasons.”

General Raheel Sharif leaves for US next week on a five-day trip, his second within a year.

A military source contended that the army chief was required to impress upon American policy-makers, especially those at the Pentagon, how India’s involvement was hurting Pakistan’s ongoing war against armed militants on its western boarders.

There are also reports that with the national debt constantly growing and GDP growth stagnant, the military leadership is unhappy with the way the government is handling economic affairs.

“With just half of its term left to complete mega projects before going for the next general elections, all that Finance Minister Ishaq Dar thinks of is taking more loans, by floating Euro Bonds or from foreign donors or local commercial banks,” said Dr Ashfaq Hussain, former advisor to the government on finance.

In fact, according to the international credit rating agency Moody’s, the government’s decision to issue international bonds at higher borrowing cost has undermined Pakistan’s debt affordability.

Published in Dawn, November 13th, 2015
 
Because there is simply no demand for change by the people. They are comfortable with the system now in place, since it works for a majority of those who are well-connected. Take the membership here at PDF as an example of that cross-section of the society.[/QUOTE]

I do not believe people are comfortable with the situation. If Pakistani corruption and inflation continues on this pace one day poor will drag the comfortable out of their homes. They don't have to demand it, it is more than obvious and further deterioration needs to be prevented. Current Government is taking loans and using on non priority projects like metro bus and wasting the money. The intention seems to take so many loans that IMF will dictate cut down cost and then they will turn to Army and even vital defense may be in jeopardy. The politicians in Pakistan are not sincere to Pakistan or most do not have vision. What was Allama Iqbal birthday holiday symbol of? What does it convey to remove it from holiday list?
Back to inflation, I have seen inflation in 80s in Brazil and Argentina and trust me it was bad. So who are waiting for demands from people for change are sound asleep but will be awakened one way or the other.
 
I do not believe people are comfortable with the situation. If Pakistani corruption and inflation continues on this pace one day poor will drag the comfortable out of their homes. They don't have to demand it, it is more than obvious and further deterioration needs to be prevented. Current Government is taking loans and using on non priority projects like metro bus and wasting the money. The intention seems to take so many loans that IMF will dictate cut down cost and then they will turn to Army and even vital defense may be in jeopardy. The politicians in Pakistan are not sincere to Pakistan or most do not have vision. What was Allama Iqbal birthday holiday symbol of? What does it convey to remove it from holiday list?
Back to inflation, I have seen inflation in 80s in Brazil and Argentina and trust me it was bad. So who are waiting for demands from people for change are sound asleep but will be awakened one way or the other.

If the people were truly uncomfortable, they would do something about it. They are not, and therefore they don't. That "one day the poor will drag the comfortable out of their homes" has been a romantic notion just about forever which makes for great poetry like Habib Jalib's, but that is about all it does.
 
If the people were truly uncomfortable, they would do something about it. They are not, and therefore they don't. That "one day the poor will drag the comfortable out of their homes" has been a romantic notion just about forever which makes for great poetry like Habib Jalib's, but that is about all it does.
I have seen it in South America Cuba and Africa what the inflation does, when the women are selling themselves to get food so what you are calling romantic is beyond the imagination. Enjoy!
 
I have seen it in South America Cuba and Africa what the inflation does, when the women are selling themselves to get food so what you are calling romantic is beyond the imagination. Enjoy!

Due to falling energy prices, inflation in Pakistan has slowed down somewhat in recent months at least.
 
I hope that is not all we are counting on or Ishaaq Dar knew this and he is counting on it.:-) Need to do more:hitwall:

This is only a temporary respite. Energy prices will rise at some point and then the pain will return, no matter who the finance minister is at that time.
 
This is only a temporary respite. Energy prices will rise at some point and then the pain will return, no matter who the finance minister is at that time.
It is about proper utility of resources, revenue collection, reducing corruption and decreasing debt policies, good governace and management is needed.
 
It is about proper utility of resources, revenue collection, reducing corruption and decreasing debt policies, good governace and management is needed.

Sir, good governance will take decades to develop if we start now. And we have not even started to do so.
 
This is only a temporary respite. Energy prices will rise at some point and then the pain will return, no matter who the finance minister is at that time.

Actually energy prices will stay down for foreseeable future due to frackling issue and iranian oil will hit market soon ....
 
So when Bilawal, Hamza Shabaz, Maryam and Safdar inherit the Kingdom the good goernance will start?

No, when the interference in a robust democratic process stops, that is when the real change of direction will happen.

Actually energy prices will stay down for foreseeable future due to frackling issue and iranian oil will hit market soon ....

That is correct, but given the rate of increase in Pakistan's energy needs, one must plan for those prices to rise at some point, and Pakistan needs to be ready for that, given that imports will only be larger and larger.
 
Interest of pakistani people is above and beyond man made laws
Men in uniform has already ruined 3.5 decades using this slogan of national interest.
Enough of this national interest churran.
 

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