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What’s the India, China Doklam standoff about?

For a moment I thought the soldiers behind were Indian soldiers and the Sikh guy is the commander.
What a badass dude. Imagine what must be going through his head. Standing like this in front of heavily armed enemy troops. Very patriotic and admirable.
Photo shopped and super imposed, rather a symbolic picture only, the young man is a Captain of the IA, tried to recognize his Regiment from the shoulder Insignia, anyone with a better eye sights?
 
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If China doesn't teach Barat a hard lesson, they will go out of control. Once China is down, no one can tie down aviricious Barat anymore. So I appeal all nations in the subcontinents shall support China's righteous stance in Dokland, and can't let Barat act wantonly in the area. I also apeal India to let Bhutan make their own decision rather than control them like a puppet.

In Barat's eyes, Pakistan/BD/Sri Lanka are all India's land, that's why they must defeat China before they can swallow you down.

If anyone of you still have delusion in India, you are digging tombs for yourself.
 
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India-China war of words becomes more critical
The month-long military standoff on the border near Sikkim may be about to enter the home stretch this weekend, as Beijing draws its 'red line'
By M.K. Bhadrakumar July 25, 2017 4:14 PM

Using sports idioms to hash out issues of war and peace may seem inappropriate, but it is possible to say that the month-long India-China military standoff on the border near Sikkim is about to enter the home stretch this weekend.

The last curve on the racetrack is approaching in a couple of days, and what is clear is that there can only be one winner.

If the expectation was that the visit by Indian National Security Adviser Ajit Doval to Beijing to attend the seventh meeting of BRICS High Representatives on Thursday and Friday could provide a window of opportunity for a meaningful conversation to find a face-saving formula to resolve the standoff, that now seems unlikely.

On Monday, Beijing drew the red line for the benefit of Indian policymakers huddling to finalize Doval’s “talking points” in Beijing. The red line is that India must leave “Chinese territory” unconditionally, unilaterally, without further delay.

For the first time, the Chinese Defense Ministry waded into the discourse, with its spokesman Senior Colonel Wu Qian asserting that the People’s Liberation Army will defend Chinese territory “at all costs” and disclosing that Chinese border troops have “taken initial countermeasures at the site and will step up targeted deployment and training”.

Wu urged India to “abandon any impractical illusions” over the PLA’s “unshakable determination to defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity”.

Meanwhile, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang hinted at a regular media briefing on Monday that a meeting between Doval and his Chinese host State Councilor Yang Jiechi “to exchange views” could not be ruled out.

Curiously, the Communist Party tabloid Global Times in an editorial on Monday highlighted that Doval was the problem rather than the solution, saying he was “believed to be one of the main schemers behind the current border standoff”.

An accusing finger has been pointed at the Prime Minister’s Office in New Delhi. Doval reports to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

The Global Times has a pronounced nationalist outlook, but making allowance for that, something seems to have changed fundamentally in the Chinese rhetoric.

It may be risky to be dismissive about the Chinese articulations as mere rhetorical flourish. The PLA has appeared on the front line as the lead actor. And China’s Military Commission is headed by none other than President Xi Jinping.

The Global Times editorial underlined that New Delhi should give up any “illusions”, since PLA forces “are being deployed to the border area, and will take effective countermeasures”.

Importantly, it ended with a political message that the Modi government may face self-invited humiliation. An analogy has been drawn that India may face “its most serious strategic setback since 1962”.

On the other hand, right-wing opinion in India continues to be that this is all Beijing’s “psywar”, and that China is only bluffing.

In this optimistic view, India is well prepared militarily and in reality China is “rattled” by the resoluteness of the Indian action to cross the border – something no previous Indian government before Modi’s leadership dared to do.

The argument that this is platinum-grade “muscular diplomacy” is predicated on the belief that what ensues may be “a short intense war” in which the PLA simply cannot muster the forces necessary to overcome the three Indian Army divisions deployed in the vicinity of the theater of contestation in Doklam.

The core assumption here is that China has no option but to accept as fait accompli the new fact on the ground, which the Indian Army has created. One analyst wrote: “Nothing is likely to happen other than more ejections of more hot air and gas from the Chinese side…. The PLA has just about another month to start an affray before the weather begins closing in. Beijing apparently doesn’t rate the PLA’s chances highly. Otherwise, it would, by now, have done something instead of just raving and ranting.”

Analysts close to Indian military circles assess that if China does not contest the new fact on the ground in Doklam, it will constitute “victory” for New Delhi and a strategic defeat for China.

Of course, a case can be made that “you live only once, so make the best of it”. But in the life of nations, there are assumptions and assumptions – and certain assumptions a nation makes at defining moments must be absolutely ironclad, with zero margin of error.

In 1962 India failed the litmus test with disastrous consequences. The assumption that the PLA is a paper tiger may be stretching things too far.

Besides, wars are never fought at the military level alone. Comprehensive national power invariably comes into play.

How long and weary the home stretch is going to be may become clear by this weekend.

http://www.atimes.com/article/india-china-war-words-becomes-critical/
 
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If China doesn't teach Barat a hard lesson, they will go out of control. Once China is down, no one can tie down aviricious Barat anymore. So I appeal all nations in the subcontinents shall support China's righteous stance in Dokland, and can't let Barat act wantonly in the area. I also apeal India to let Bhutan make their own decision rather than control them like a puppet.

In Barat's eyes, Pakistan/BD/Sri Lanka are all India's land, that's why they must defeat China before they can swallow you down.

Why do you Chinese need support ? You have Pakistan and NK with you.

Man seeing your advertisement here I feel sorry for you lot , your CPC has lead you down so badly that your weeks of war hysteria in PDF is coming to such a damp ending.

Psychiatry teaches you about 5 steps before accepting a bad news , you have reached already level 3 , 2 more to go.

Congratulations my friend , just a small update yesterday Sri Lanka just amended your port deal and formally kicked out your navy.
 
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Why do you Chinese need support ? You have Pakistan and NK with you.

Man seeing your advertisement here I feel sorry for you lot , your CPC has lead you down so badly that your weeks of war hysteria in PDF is coming to such a damp ending.

Psychiatry teaches you about 5 steps before accepting a bad news , you have reached already level 3 , 2 more to go.

Congratulations my friend , just a small update yesterday Sri Lanka just amended your port deal and formally kicked out your navy.
Keep bullying Bhutan, Nepal, Pakistan, BD, and Sri Lanka. You will harvest what you sow in the end.

That's level 4 my friend amazing progression

It's called grapes are sour syndrome.
The more you bully them, the more it bounce back.

Keep exposing yourslef, Devil.

Tell me why your Marshal jump up and down like a Gorilla when China sold subs to BD, does it make you more difficult to swallow them!? Why BD need Subs? Some cheap OPV will dilute BD's resolution to improve its navy? Who you think you are Barat? Why Indian like to shit on the street?
 
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Once China is down, comes after Pakistan, BD, finally Sri Lanka. No one can survive.
All Bd need to do is cant let Barat pass your land to NE. China will deal the rest.
Definitely we would, however we desperately and urgently require modern warfare equipment's from your side to enable us to deter India from using our territory as a buffer zone, and fight the war in our soil.
 
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Keep bullying Bhutan, Nepal, Pakistan, BD, and Sri Lanka. You will harvest what you sow in the end.


The more you bully them, the more it bounce back.

Keep exposing yourslef, Devil.

Tell me why your Marshal jump up and down like a Gorilla when China sold subs to BD, does it make you more difficult to swallow them!? Why BD need Subs? Some cheap OPV will dilute BD's resolution to improve its navy? Who you think you are Barat? Why Indian like to shit on the street?


My sympathies!
When are your troops coming to the aid of Sri Lanka , Bangladesh , Nepal , Bhutan ? Tell me the timeframe we need a route to escape.
 
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Definitely we would, however we desperately and urgently require modern warfare equipment's from your side to enable us to deter India from using our territory as a buffer zone, and fight the war in our soil.
That's why China never hesitate provide weapons to Bd at soft loan. You will have another two modern subs in the near future. A basket of weapons deal is underway.

My sympathies!
When are your troops coming to the aid of Sri Lanka , Bangladesh , Nepal , Bhutan ? Tell me the timeframe we need a route to escape.
Keep exposing your bully essence....

As long as China is there, you can't swallow down those small neighbours around you. That's why you always hate China, right?
 
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That's why China never hesitate provide weapons to Bd at soft loan. You will have another two modern subs in the near future. A basket of weapons deal is underway.
Keep exposing your bully essence....
As long as China is there, you can't swallow down those small neighbours around you. That's why you always hate China, right?

:smitten::smitten::smitten::smitten::china::china::china:
 
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It's BD's choice whether to fight Barat's bully or not, China will deal with Them along. All you need to do is keep neutral, I don't hope the development momentum of BD to be interrupted. We will keep providing weapons to Bd army to defend their very motherland.

And the economy ties between China and BD will reinforce further.
 
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That's why China never hesitate provide weapons to Bd at soft loan. You will have another two modern subs in the near future. A basket of weapons deal is underway.


Keep exposing your bully essence....

As long as China is there, you can't swallow down those small neighbours around you. That's why you always hate China, right?

I don't hate China or Chinese people , almost everybody I met are honest hardworking humble people. I have respect for the Chinese.
Same time my love for my country is not blind , my country gives me the right to disagree and excercise my powers for a change. This right makes me approach things pragmatically and analytically.

If India wanted to engulf any of the smaller neighbours we could have done way back , we don't need your permission. In the future as well we would stand for them and fight for what we believe to be correct. China or US should respect this or we care little.
 
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An Indian Perspective.:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::crazy::crazy::disagree::disagree::omghaha::omghaha:
The crossroads at the Doklam plateau
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India must calibrate both its message and military moves to keep Bhutan on track with the special bilateral ties

There are many strings that tie Bhutan to India in a special and unique relationship, but none are as strong as the ones laid down on the ground: 1,500 km, to be precise, of roads that have been built by India across the Himalayan kingdom’s most difficult mountains and passes.

Since 1960, when Bhutan’s King Jigme Wangchuk (the present King’s grandfather) entrusted the then Prime Minister, Jigme Dorji, with modernising the country, that had previously stayed closed to the world, those roads built and maintained by the Indian Border Roads Organisation (BRO) under Project Dantak have brought the countries together for more than one reason.

A one-way street?
“All the new roads [they] proposed to construct were being aligned to run southwards towards India from the main centres of Bhutan. Not a single road was planned to be constructed to the Tibetan (Chinese) border,” recounted one of independent India’s pioneers in forging ties with Bhutan, Nari Rustomji, a bureaucrat who also served as the Dewan, or Prime Minister, of Sikkim from 1954 to 1959, in his bookDragon Kingdom in Crisis. When the Chinese presented a fork in the road, Rustomji said, “with feelers to bring Bhutan within the orbit of their influence”, Bhutan stood firm in “maintaining an independent stand”.

Just a few years later, during the India-China war of 1962, Bhutan showed its sympathies definitely lay with India, but it still wouldn’t bargain on that independent stand: when Indian soldiers retreated from battle lines in Arunachal Pradesh, they were given safe passage through eastern Bhutan, but on the condition that soldiers would deposit their rifles at the Trashigang Dzong armoury, and travel through Bhutan to India unarmed. (The rifles lie there till today.)

As India seeks to understand the Chinese government’s intentions in the Doklam stand-off, it would be obvious and natural to see them in the context of deteriorating relations between New Delhi and Beijing for the past three years, or in terms of China’s own global ambitions, and its need to show its Asian neighbours its muscular might. But any explanation that does not consider China’s desire to draw space between India and Bhutan in the ongoing stand-off will be inadequate, and simplistic at best.

The first and most important clue to this is the area involved in the stand-off itself: the Doklam plateau is an area that China and Bhutan have long discussed, over 24 rounds of negotiations that began in 1984. In the early 1990s China is understood to have made Bhutan an offer that seemed attractive to the government in Thimphu: a “package deal” under which the Chinese agreed to renounce their claim over the 495-sq.-km disputed land in the Pasamlung and Jakarlung valleys to the north, in exchange for a smaller tract of disputed land measuring 269 sq. km, the Doklam plateau. Several interlocutors have confirmed that the offer was repeated by China at every round, something Bhutan’s King and government would relay to India as well. While India was able to convince Bhutan to defer a decision, things did change after India and Bhutan renegotiated their friendship treaty in 2007, and post-2008, when Bhutan’s first elected Prime Minister Jigme Thinley began to look for a more independent foreign policy stance. Some time during this period, the PLA is understood to have built the dirt track at Doklam that is at the centre of the current stand-off, including the “turning point”, and the Bhutanese army appears not to have objected to it then.

During the next five years of his tenure, Mr. Thinley conducted more rounds of talks, including on the ‘Doklam package’, and even held a controversial meeting with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao (in Rio de Janeiro, 2012), suggesting that Bhutan was thinking of establishing consular relations with China, much to India’s chagrin. During this time, Bhutan also increased the number of countries with which it had diplomatic relations from 22 to 53, and even ran an unsuccessful campaign for a non-permanent seat at the UN Security Council.

By 2013, India took matters in hand, and the Manmohan Singh government’s decision to withdraw energy subsidies to Bhutan on the eve of its general elections that summer contributed to Jigme Thinley’s shock defeat. When the new Prime Minister Tshering Tobgay’s government prepared his first round of boundary talks with Beijing a few months later, New Delhi took no chances. It dispatched both National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon and Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh to Thimphu to brief him. China, it would seem, realised it could no longer press the Doklam point, and a year later even offered India the Nathu La pass route through Sikkim for Kailash-Mansarovar yatris.

With the latest stand-off, that includes the cancellation of the Nathu La route,China appears to be back in the eastern great game that Bhutan has become, or an “egg between two rocks”, as a senior Bhutanese commentator described it. India must also consider that the PLA road construction that brought Indian troops to Bhutanese territory may be what is known as a “forcing move” in chess. By triggering a situation where Indian soldiers occupy land that isn’t India’s for a prolonged period, Beijing may have actually planned to show up India’s intentions in an unfavourable light to the people of Bhutan.

The government must see that Bhutan’s sovereignty is no trivial matter, and avoid flippant comments as the one made by the Ministry of External Affairs last week, likening the question of whether Bhutan had sought the help of Indian troops at the tri-junction to “whether the ball came first… or the batsman had taken a stand before the ball was bowled”. The question does matter to Bhutanese people, and although their government has put out a gag request to newspapers on the Doklam stand-off for now, blog posts and social media write-ups by respected commentators indicate there is much disquiet over the idea that Indian and Chinese troops may occupy the plateau in a tense stalemate for months. It cannot have escaped South Block’s notice that the only statement issued by the Bhutanese Foreign Ministry during this time makes no mention of a “distress call” to India, only of its demarche to China. Finally, New Delhi would do well to refrain from differentiating between political factions inside Bhutan, unlike what it has done in Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, and recognise that there is no “anti-India” faction in Bhutan, even if some are calling for the establishment of ties with China.

In full view of neighbours India must also be aware that other neighbours are watching the Doklam stand-off closely. It would be short-sighted not to recognise that Bhutan is at one tri-junction with India and China, but Nepal, Myanmar and Pakistan too have tri-junctions (at least on the map) with both countries, and China’s reference to “third country” presence in Azad Kashmir is putting a spotlight on all of these. Bhutan is also the only country in the region that joined India in its boycott of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s marquee project, the Belt and Road Initiative. In China’s thinking, any reconsideration of Bhutan’s unique ties with India, forged all those decades ago in asphalt and concrete, would be not only a prize, but possible payback.

While Indian commentary has focused on the Narendra Modi government’s bilateral problems with Beijing, and India’s larger problems with China’s aggressive stance on the international stage, the truth is, this crisis is as much about the crossroads Bhutan finds itself at. India must calibrate both its message and its military moves in order to keep Bhutan on track with the special ties they share.


http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/the-crossroads-at-the-doklam-plateau/article19359848.ece
 
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