What's holding back Bangladesh?

[Nilgiri]

^^^^ Brought to you by BBS ultimately.

Now lets have the 3rd party reality check again about the reality from foreign (neutral) acquired base data:

https://defence.pk/threads/whats-holding-back-bangladesh.474841/#post-9149084

Education and Skills:

BD: 2.33 (rank 125)
IND: 3.25 (96)
CHN: 3.97 (74)
PAK: 2.27 (128)
TUR: 3.95 (76)
USA: 5.82 (12)

Skills of Current Workforce:

BD: 2.18 (rank 130)
IND: 2.82 (104)
CHN: 3.56 (85)
PAK: 2.37 (118)
TUR: 3.36 (92)
USA: 6.05 (5)

Skills of Future Workforce:

BD: 2.47 (rank 122) (Increase of 0.29)
IND: 3.67 (88) (Increase of 0.85)
CHN: 4.39 (58) (Increase of 0.83)
PAK: 2.17 (128) (Decrease of 0.2)
TUR: 4.53 (50) ( Increase of 1.17)
USA: 5.58 (18) (Decrease of 0.47)


So basically the future workforce of BD will still be worse than the current workforce of India by a large margin....but hey BBS can cover that terrible reality with whatever numbers they want to.

Thank god for non-BBS sourced data about BD!

 

[Bilal9]

Guys please don't tag trolls, especially those who simply try to compare everything with India/Indians.

@waz, @Jungibaaz, @WAJsal bhais, please help us prevent Indian trolls from hijacking serious discussions in every Bangladeshi thread.

 

[Nilgiri]

Guys please don't tag trolls, especially those who simply try to compare everything with India/Indians.

@waz, @Jungibaaz, @WAJsal bhais, please help us prevent Indian trolls from hijacking serious discussions in every Bangladeshi thread.

Good, attempt to shut out the discussion because you can't handle the truth.

Explain to the mods how posting the reality on BD's workforce skills and education (esp future) as given by a 3rd party neutral source (WEF rather than BBS) is hijacking this thread? (what is holding BD back?)

You are basically a BD version of Riaz Haq. ....see what you want to see, selectively post the same old ingratiated nonsense and can't come out of your well as a result. Good job.

 

[bluesky]

I just mentioned tip of the iceburg. In those days, noble, church, feudals etc did all the heinous crimes in collaboration with the government. So technically they might not seemed as corruption to you but were worse than what you see in our countries now.
Besides, bribery, wining, dining were present all the time.

Please limit the definition of corruption to bribery and graft taking by the politicians, Police and all the administrative people inclusive of peons and chaprashis, and do not please include medieval Europe's witch hunting and burning of little girls by the Padres. It all belong to the religion/social sectors.

Anyway, the Europeans discarded the Papal-induced Crusade mentality and started to build a new Europe with the innovation and application of modern education/technology supported by sea trade that was initiated almost in Venice, but spread to all the shores and ports of Europe. Witch crafting was substituted by modern science and technology education.

BD lacks all these aspects in its education, and it may take a few hundred years even to achieve an almost parity status even with what is Thailand today.

 

[Nilgiri]

No one can deny their progress is more structured and reached almost all level of society.Though corruption is prevalen and hinder much progress.In HDI Level they are still progressing

Actually thats only if you take their govt provided data at face value. I am only going to rely on strictly 3rd party data about BD from now on....the corruption is endemic and would have thoroughly infected their statistics division too. This is the information that the UN, World Bank and others use as well (they have no other option since BD fills a certain role in their dialogue about "development" and they certainly aren't going to verify it themselves)....and BD gets to project its "development success with little money" claim (stay LDC but "develop").

You would be hard pressed to find one country in the world that has so much dissonance between what its govt claims (through BBS) and what 3rd party data about BD says. Maybe North Korea would be a good contender for it.

 

[TopCat]

Please limit the definition of corruption to bribery and graft taking by the politicians, Police and all the administrative people inclusive of peons and chaprashis, and do not please include medieval Europe's witch hunting and burning of little girls by the Padres. It all belong to the religion/social sectors.

Anyway, the Europeans discarded the Papal-induced Crusade mentality and started to build a new Europe with the innovation and application of modern education/technology supported by sea trade that was initiated almost in Venice, but spread to all the shores and ports of Europe. Witch crafting was substituted by modern science and technology education.

BD lacks all these aspects in its education, and it may take a few hundred years even to achieve an almost parity status even with what is Thailand today.

It is egg and chicken game. You cant stop corruption in low income level. Corruption does lower the efficiency of government spending yet you have to to wait till country can develop systems which will check the corruption. And none of them possible unless the country generates enough wealth.

^^^^ Brought to you by BBS ultimately.

Now lets have the 3rd party reality check again about the reality from foreign (neutral) acquired base data:

https://defence.pk/threads/whats-holding-back-bangladesh.474841/#post-9149084

Education and Skills:

BD: 2.33 (rank 125)
IND: 3.25 (96)
CHN: 3.97 (74)
PAK: 2.27 (128)
TUR: 3.95 (76)
USA: 5.82 (12)

Skills of Current Workforce:

BD: 2.18 (rank 130)
IND: 2.82 (104)
CHN: 3.56 (85)
PAK: 2.37 (118)
TUR: 3.36 (92)
USA: 6.05 (5)

Skills of Future Workforce:

BD: 2.47 (rank 122) (Increase of 0.29)
IND: 3.67 (88) (Increase of 0.85)
CHN: 4.39 (58) (Increase of 0.83)
PAK: 2.17 (128) (Decrease of 0.2)
TUR: 4.53 (50) ( Increase of 1.17)
USA: 5.58 (18) (Decrease of 0.47)


So basically the future workforce of BD will still be worse than the current workforce of India by a large margin....but hey BBS can cover that terrible reality with whatever numbers they want to.

Thank god for non-BBS sourced data about BD!

Dude India is wanna be supa pawa.
What kind of skill you talking about? When you clamin you have a literacy rate more than 90%, yet 70% dont know how to use a latrine. irony

 

[Nilgiri]

When you clamin you have a literacy rate more than 90%, yet 70% dont know how to use a latrine. irony

See you are probably the sort of chap the BBS employs....no wonder you say corruption is no big deal at all. Just dish out numbers as you see fit with whatever agenda. No open defecation is the goal? Thats fine just write the number down as 0! See now we are better than big bad India!

Hope BD stays that way for a long time....while the reality gets exposed in any 3rd party data gathering and analysis of BD when it comes to any socio-economic metric.

 

[bluesky]

It is egg and chicken game. You cant stop corruption in low income level. Corruption does lower the efficiency of government spending yet you have to to wait till country can develop systems which will check the corruption. And none of them possible unless the country generates enough wealth.

Corruption is not an exact science of chicken first or egg first. Last year, the GoB has increased the salary of the govt employees by two to four folds. But, did it reduce graft taking by the administrative people? When the non-govt people live with meager earnings, these govt people have been allowed to take a very fat salary as if only they need all the money. So, your proposition is not correct when it is BD.

BD govt people may be thinking that the divine power has rightfully allocated a part of normal people's earning to be taken away by them, and it is their birth right. To therm, it is not graft, but people have to submit to the wish of divine power. At the core of our learning lies one absolutism that all the world's works are done only at the wish of that power. So, graft taking itself cannot be out of this divine system.

 

[Nilgiri]

Corruption is not an exact science of chicken first or egg first. Last year, the GoB has increased the salary of the govt employees by two to four folds. But, did it reduce graft taking by the administrative people? When the non-govt people live with meager earnings, these govt people have been allowed to take a very fat salary as if only they need all the money. So, your proposition is not correct when it is BD.

BD govt people may think, the divine power has rightfully allocated a part of normal people's earning to be taken away by them, and it is their birth right. To therm, it is not graft, but people have to submit to the wish of divine power. At the core of our learning lies one absolutism that all the world's works are being done only at the wish of that power. So, graft taking itself cannot be out of this divine system.

Dude he's some fat chamcha that lives off corruption for his work. When you make a living off it, of course you will defend it and say ...every other country had it and can get past it....so its the same for us etc......while diverting what types of bureaucracy and corruption there are (each having a varied effect on socio-economic improvement) and how many of the worst kinds are physically embedded in BD at basic delivery echelons.

No one wants targetting beyond reason of how they personally make their daily bread. Just get temporarily "angry" at it...but then understand its generic and omnipresent and homogeneous worldwide (and thus justified for BD)....and move along. If 99% of the money going to some school ends up in some fat cat's wallet, thats still a GOOD thing because the money is still going somewhere and thus will be spent somehow....even to import a luxury car (and trickle down economics will apply)...thats good! BD STRONK!

 

[Matirpola]

Guys please don't tag trolls, especially those who simply try to compare everything with India/Indians.

@waz, @Jungibaaz, @WAJsal bhais, please help us prevent Indian trolls from hijacking serious discussions in every Bangladeshi thread.

Just keep reporting that sick obsessed troll en masse.

thats good! BD STRONK!

 

[bluesky]

Bangladesh high-up people in the govt stink with the greed for money. So, they demand bribes for any tiny work a common man cannot go without. This stinky greed has made the country so corrupt.

However, there is a saying that a country is as developed as its taxation system is. A day is certainly coming when the bribe money will be technically prohibited from buying houses and flats at random as the NBR people are becoming too edgy to stop this purchase by the higher ups with their ill-earned money.

I have learned from my friend in the NBR that the buyer of houses will have to answer about the purchase money. NBR will impose an income tax of, say, 90% of the purchase value of the houses when the buyer cannot show any proofs to support the payment of income taxes during the last few years.

This is what happens in the developed countries, and this is the main reason that there are no corruptions in those countries. I wonder, how shocked some guys will be!! So, @TopCat, better you ask your friends not to indulge in bribe taking. Are you yourself alright, too?

 

[My-Analogous]

BD's positive features:

• extremely homogeneous society
• single language
• cheap labor
• good English skills
• no internal wars or rebellions
• authoritarian leadership to implement much needed reforms regardless of public resistance
• no major natural disasters occurred
• access to the global markets via Indian Ocean
• big consumer markets like India, China, ASEAN in close proximity
• etc.

You have clearly everything that is needed to become another Asian success story, still BD falls short of expectations. But why exactly? Only professional opinions, please.

National interest. They are ignoring national interest and current govt is doing pro Indian role which hurt Bangladesh independent status and it will hurt them hard in future. They suppose to be neutral for next 40 years and focus on developing economy and military.

 

[Nike]

Actually thats only if you take their govt provided data at face value. I am only going to rely on strictly 3rd party data about BD from now on....the corruption is endemic and would have thoroughly infected their statistics division too. This is the information that the UN, World Bank and others use as well (they have no other option since BD fills a certain role in their dialogue about "development" and they certainly aren't going to verify it themselves)....and BD gets to project its "development success with little money" claim (stay LDC but "develop").

You would be hard pressed to find one country in the world that has so much dissonance between what its govt claims (through BBS) and what 3rd party data about BD says. Maybe North Korea would be a good contender for it.

well i am looking through some easy to find indicator on how the current BD as country do their perfornance.
1. Their economic is growing at healthy pace
2. Their industry is growing with clear evidence of high demands for electricity
3. Their export is growing
4. The rates of infant mortality is decreasing so with Mother in pregnancy
5. Growth of middle class and rising in consumption

i just wonder on how BD will fare when Hashina is became too old and unfit to lead anymore (the scenario is just one decade ahead from today as she is 69 year ol' today)? Can they overcame the power transition regarding the history of BD is full of violences when talking about political struggles

 

[TopCat]

well i am looking through some easy to find indicator on how the current BD as country do their perfornance.
1. Their economic is growing at healthy pace
2. Their industry is growing with clear evidence of high demands for electricity
3. Their export is growing
4. The rates of infant mortality is decreasing so with Mother in pregnancy
5. Growth of middle class and rising in consumption

i just wonder on how BD will fare when Hashina is became too old and unfit to lead anymore (the scenario is just one decade ahead from today as she is 69 year ol' today)? Can they overcame the power transition regarding the history of BD is full of violences when talking about political struggles

Dont worry, one thing Bangladesh has in abundance are politicians. Hasina willl be replaced by a better one.

 

[Nilgiri]

well i am looking through some easy to find indicator on how the current BD as country do their perfornance.
1. Their economic is growing at healthy pace
2. Their industry is growing with clear evidence of high demands for electricity
3. Their export is growing
4. The rates of infant mortality is decreasing so with Mother in pregnancy
5. Growth of middle class and rising in consumption

i just wonder on how BD will fare when Hashina is became too old and unfit to lead anymore (the scenario is just one decade ahead from today as she is 69 year ol' today)? Can they overcame the power transition regarding the history of BD is full of violences when talking about political struggles

1. Yes this can be verified a lot by many external based indicators. I do not dispute that.
2. Again this one is harder to fudge.
3. Same thing
4. Infant mortality, all mortality, L.E (through derivation) and all socioeconomic indicators are exclusively BBS controlled at the source. BBS is something I do not trust fully. It has probably improved, but because of their govt desire to trumpet development and the level of corruption present which can aid them in doing it.....I am not going to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore.
5. Impact of this can be monitored by 1,2,3 etc...but BD needs more years of good data with more external footprint.