Whats behind Hezbullah's success ?

[hussain0216]

Nope, no gas ovens and no concentration camps

I am pretty sure that the Hitler method happened in Pakistan, and any other Muslim state, when Christians are being persecuted and killed.

Wait until Trump, we will melt you all

Whats the difference between gas ovens, concentration camps and killing everyone through cluster weapons and white phosphorous, its still the Hitler method

 

[Beny Karachun]

Whats the difference between gas ovens, concentration camps and killing everyone through cluster weapons and white phosphorous, its still the Hitler method

I've never said we will bomb everyone, I've said that anyone that will riot against us will be bombed/burned to death.

 

[hussain0216]

You have 200 nuclear warheads mostly mounted on the Nasr which has range of less than 70 kilometers, and we have 400 hydrogen, neutron and fission nuclear warheads, mounted on Jericho 3 and 2 ICBM/MRBMs with 3 warheads in each of these
Anyways, we have defense systems that will block every one of your missiles

We also have Shaheens and Ghauris which can strike israel, you let us worry about hitting a nice concentrated number of jews and evading defences

I've never said we will bomb everyone, I've said that anyone that will riot against us will be bombed/burned to death.

Then whats the point??????

If Muslim population keeps increasing the jew state becomes impossible

 

[Anaoshak]

Deir Yassin wasn't a massacre, its their problem that they have militias inside their cities, they were against terrorists after an attack on the Israeli villages.

No one twists and turns anything but you, for example, our wars and casualties of the enemy

Case in point. As i said, you twist and turn truths. And when the truth is clear, you don't want to see. And when you can't provide a solid argument, that's when the accusation of antisemitism starts.

They didn't even have any militias in the village. The targets were Arab villagers.
And as i mentioned, that's just one of the attacks on civilians.

 

[AmirPatriot]

i knew my thread would start a flame war...but this

All of the Zionists here are trolls. Of course there would be a flame war.

 

[KungFuCultMaster]

Israel is one of the best armed armies in the world. They always receive top notch U.S and European tech, billions in aid and political support in the west. It's not always about population. They have nearly 430 top notch fighter jets and will have 30 F-35s too. They are armed to teeth in every single aspect.

Since when Hezbollah was supposed to totally defeat Israel, capture Tel Aviv or kill all Israelis? Give Israel's equipment to Hezbollah and Hebollah's equipment to IDF and then you will see what Hezbollah can do to Israel. Your comparison is stupid at its best.

That is an excuse but an old one.

Who prevented you from being one of the best armed militaries in the world?

Who prevented Iran, Turkey or Arabs from being better armed than Russia?

They have nearly 430 top notch fighter jets? What about Arabs? What about Turks and Iranians? Why don't you have them? Are your populations incompetent?

Israel sold its air to air missiles, SAMS radars targeting pods, and many other weapons worldwide, what could all of you combined do?

Let's ask this give Israel the population size of the Middle East, and give the Middle Easterners the population size of Israel, and let's see what Israel can do.

How does that sound?

 

[Beny Karachun]

We also have Shaheens and Ghauris which can strike israel, you let us worry about hitting a nice concentrated number of jews and evading defences



Then whats the point??????

If Muslim population keeps increasing the jew state becomes impossible

Evading defenses
you cannot evade the Arrow System, in fact it probably will intercept your missiles above your own country

Just believe me, once Arabs will start doing something wrong well take action kid

Case in point. As i said, you twist and turn truths. And when the truth is clear, you don't want to see. And when you can't provide a solid argument, that's when the accusation of antisemitism starts.

They didn't even have any militias in the village. The targets were Arab villagers.
And as i mentioned, that's just one of the attacks on civilians.

And @KungFuCultMaster destroyed you

 

[AmirPatriot]

who prevented you from being one of the best armed militaries in the world?

First the incompetent Qajar dynasty that did nothing to improve the country economically or militarily.

Then our neutrality was violated in both world wars.

Then the Pahlavi dynasty acting like an Arab banana country just selling oil and not innovating.

Then nearly a decade of war.

Our defence industry only started properly in the 1990s.

Now we have thousands of ballistic missiles, hundreds of which are extremely accurate and/or hypersonic. We have a varied and combat proven UCAV and UAV force. And we are on the verge of deploying a world class air defence system.

For your information, those 400+ aircraft that the Zionists have are all bought from outside. We are sanctioned.

 

[Anaoshak]

Evading defenses
you cannot evade the Arrow System, in fact it probably will intercept your missiles above your own country

Just believe me, once Arabs will start doing something wrong well take action kid


And @KungFuCultMaster destroyed you

He didn't even reply to my post.

@KungFuCultMaster
Not gonna get into it with you because Beny is trying to troll.
But you wrote "Who prevented you from being one of the best armed militaries in the world?

Who prevented Iran, Turkey or Arabs from being better armed than Russia?"

Everyone prevented and have stood in Iran's way to develop their military, most countries still do.
It's not about incompetency when it comes to military development. But about access. Access to technology namely, arms and etc.

Turks and Arabs have top notch fighter jets because no one stood in their way of getting them. Except for when it comes to certain things, like the f-35.
"The US has given Israel categorical assurances that it will not deliver F-35 stealth multirole fighter jets to Arab states to beef up their aerial power, a report says.

According to the Hebrew-language daily Maariv, Washington had confirmed to Tel Aviv that this type of aircraft “will be exclusively allocated for Israel in the Middle East.”

Or you can use North Korea vs South Korea, obviously South Korea is more developed. Even though they are the same people, the difference is in the access they have to technology and knowledge.

Also I read a paper a while ago, that was about Iran's development if it hadn't been under Sanctions. And it gave pretty sound reasons as to why it would have probably been the most developed country in the middle east by far if it didn't have any obstacles in its way such as sanctions. Now, i think Iran is probably the 3rd most developed country in the Middle East, but they are quickly gaining on the top 2. And that's one of the reasons as to why one of those top 2 countries, want the west to keep their sanctions on Iran. Not to stop them from a "nuclear weapons program" that doesn't exist, but to stop them from developing as a nation.

 

[Beny Karachun]

First the incompetent Qajar dynasty that did nothing to improve the country economically or militarily.

Then our neutrality was violated in both world wars.

Then the Pahlavi dynasty acting like an Arab banana country just selling oil and not innovating.

Then nearly a decade of war.

Our defence industry only started properly in the 1990s.

Now we have thousands of ballistic missiles, hundreds of which are extremely accurate and/or hypersonic. We have a varied and combat proven UCAV and UAV force. And we are on the verge of deploying a world class air defence system.

For your information, those 400+ aircraft that the Zionists have are all bought from outside. We are sanctioned.

So what? the Israelis were always at war with more enemies than you ever had, was embargo'd by the French, the Arabs pressed on the British not to give us any weapons.


You don't have any accurate missiles, all of your missiles have 1km CEP or more, and every ballistic missile is hypersonic, combat proven UCAV and UAV? Since when? your drones never saw any action
World class air defense systems? ahahaha you use some crappy S300s and older equipment and you think this is world class?

We have made our own jets, the Lavi for example, all of our jets are modernized and don't use any American avionics anymore, while you still use F14s and F4s and more crappy copies of crappy airplanes such as F5s

Everyone prevented and have stood in Iran's way to develop their military, most countries still do.
It's not about incompetency when it comes to military development. But about access. Access to technology namely, arms and etc.

How did anyone prevent you from anything?
Only western countries simply didn't sell you weapons, did they prevent you from developing tanks or anything?
No. Why should anyone access you to any technology? the whole point is YOUR OWN military.

Turks and Arabs have top notch fighter jets because no one stood in their way of getting them. Except for when it comes to certain things, like the f-35.
"The US has given Israel categorical assurances that it will not deliver F-35 stealth multirole fighter jets to Arab states to beef up their aerial power, a report says.

But you had your response to the F35, the F313 that cant even take off the ground

According to the Hebrew-language daily Maariv, Washington had confirmed to Tel Aviv that this type of aircraft “will be exclusively allocated for Israel in the Middle East.”

Isn't Turkey in the Middle East? they also got it.
We participated in the development of the F35, Obviously we got it, but your almighty F313 will easily destroy it no?

Or you can use North Korea vs South Korea, obviously South Korea is more developed. Even though they are the same people, the difference is in the access they have to technology and knowledge.

The difference is that they are a democratic nation with access to the internet that actually feeds its people, and that the North Koreans are ruled by one leader and still use fax, starving its people to death

Also I read a paper a while ago, that was about Iran's development if it hadn't been under Sanctions. And it gave pretty sound reasons as to why it would have probably been the most developed country in the middle east by far if it didn't have any obstacles in its way such as sanctions. Now, i think Iran is probably the 3rd most developed country in the Middle East, but they are quickly gaining on the top 2. And that's one of the reasons as to why one of those top 2 countries, want the west to keep their sanctions on Iran. Not to stop them from a "nuclear weapons program" that doesn't exist, but to stop them from developing as a nation.

Sorry? why would it be the most developed country in the middle east? If its a crazy Islamic shia country that executes gay people? Its not even a true democracy. Iran is not developed at all.

 

[KungFuCultMaster]

He didn't even reply to my post.

@KungFuCultMaster
Not gonna get into it with you because Beny is trying to troll.
But you wrote "Who prevented you from being one of the best armed militaries in the world?

Who prevented Iran, Turkey or Arabs from being better armed than Russia?"

Everyone prevented and have stood in Iran's way to develop their military, most countries still do.
It's not about incompetency when it comes to military development. But about access. Access to technology namely, arms and etc.

Turks and Arabs have top notch fighter jets because no one stood in their way of getting them. Except for when it comes to certain things, like the f-35.
"The US has given Israel categorical assurances that it will not deliver F-35 stealth multirole fighter jets to Arab states to beef up their aerial power, a report says.

According to the Hebrew-language daily Maariv, Washington had confirmed to Tel Aviv that this type of aircraft “will be exclusively allocated for Israel in the Middle East.”

Or you can use North Korea vs South Korea, obviously South Korea is more developed. Even though they are the same people, the difference is in the access they have to technology and knowledge.

Also I read a paper a while ago, that was about Iran's development if it hadn't been under Sanctions. And it gave pretty sound reasons as to why it would have probably been the most developed country in the middle east by far if it didn't have any obstacles in its way such as sanctions. Now, i think Iran is probably the 3rd most developed country in the Middle East, but they are quickly gaining on the top 2. And that's one of the reasons as to why one of those top 2 countries, want the west to keep their sanctions on Iran. Not to stop them from a "nuclear weapons program" that doesn't exist, but to stop them from developing as a nation.

Nobody prevented you from developing your military.

Do you think Russia, Nazi Germany, America or China had their military developments handed to them for free on an obstacles-free course?

They have what they have largely thanks to their own efforts.

You now say Turks and Arabs have top notch fighter jets, if so, why can't they delete Israel of only 6 million ? Your friend another time was saying it's not about population but number of fighter jets which Israel had 430 of, now you say, Turks and Arabs also have top notch fighter jets, so why couldn't they outgun Israel?

Simple answer. Israel is simply better than all of you combined in its military strength.

Good point about North Korea.

North Korea is starved to death, most isolated country, sanctioned, embargoed, still it launches submarine launched ballistic missiles, readying its thermonuclear warheads and intercontinental ballistic missiles but Iran in 2016 is unable or scared, you can decide which is the case, to prepare its thermonuclear warhead and intercontinental ballistic missiles. North Korea with only 24 million people, mostly starved, no huge oil and gas resources or agricultural or other basic resources cut off from the outside world, in a state of war with the South.

North Korea that outperformed all the Middle East in intellectual tests and brains, and North Korea that is more disciplined than all the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, Southern Asia, Eastern Europe.

North Korea that with only 24 million people has more artillery, howitzer and rockets than 80 million Iran, Turkey or Egypt or any other Middle Eastern, African, Latin American or Eastern European country not counting Russia.

Sanctions or no sanctions, can you show any field where Iran has consistently outperformed the world or performed at par with the best in the business? Brains, science, tech, business, industry, or military developments, sport, infrastructure - anything that we can measure objectively?

Iran is what it is and without sanctions, at best, it would have been a glorified Brazil, maybe Spain but no better.

 

[Anaoshak]

How did anyone prevent you from anything?
Only western countries simply didn't sell you weapons, did they prevent you from developing tanks or anything?
No. Why should anyone access you to any technology? the whole point is YOUR OWN military.

Oh, so you are telling me that Israel developed their own military with no help at all from any other country? They didn't learn certain things and had access to schematics from the U.S and other countries? If you do, then you're delusional. Your military developed because you had access to technology. Plain and simple.

But you had your response to the F35, the F313 that cant even take off the ground

Says the guy that claims they make their own planes but use american engines. (Pratt & Whitney engine)

Isn't Turkey in the Middle East? they also got it.
We participated in the development of the F35, Obviously we got it, but your almighty F313 will easily destroy it no?

Lol, you just answered what i mentioned earlier. You have access to technology.
And yeah, turkey is in the Middle East and part of it is in Europe. But you didn't even read my quote. It says Arab-states.

The difference is that they are a democratic nation with access to the internet that actually feeds its people, and that the North Koreans are ruled by one leader and still use fax, starving its people to death

The difference is sanctions amongst other things.
The Germans were ruled by one leader and most of today's weaponry are based on their designs, Schematics and ideas. Missiles, Fighter Jets, etc.

Sorry? why would it be the most developed country in the middle east? If its a crazy Islamic shia country that executes gay people? Its not even a true democracy. Iran is not developed at all.

So you're saying Democracy = Development? That's idiotic.
It would have been the most developed country in the middle east due to the fact that for one thing, it's the fastest growing scientific country in the world and they would have had more access to technology and knowledge if there were no sanctions. They can't study certain things because of those sanctions. People are busted all the time for trying to smuggle technology to Iran. And etc.
In fact, during the time of the Shah, the access they had back then to the world market, technology and etc. It was estimated that they would become one of the strongest countries in the world, let alone the middle east. And that wasn't a democracy either.

 

[KungFuCultMaster]

The difference is that they are a democratic nation with access to the internet that actually feeds its people, and that the North Koreans are ruled by one leader and still use fax, starving its people to death

North Koreans do not always starve and they also have access to the internet. You should not make things up if you do not know.

 

[Beny Karachun]

North Koreans do not always starve and they also have access to the internet. You should not make things up if you do not know.

the only ones with internet access are the top ranks.
I find it funny how you said "not always"
I know that they not all starve to death, but as you can see they are clearly not well fed and if the West would stop giving them food they will probably starve to death.

 

[KungFuCultMaster]

It would have been the most developed country in the middle east due to the fact that for one thing, it's the fastest growing scientific country in the world and they would have had more access to technology and knowledge if there were no sanctions.

Can you show me one proof or evidence that Iran is the fastest growing scientific power in the world? In 2016? Or in 2015 at latest?

Don't bring 5 years old article.

From what I have seen, Iran's scientific growth has stagnated or plateaued.