What would happen if Venezuela sold its F-16's to Iran?

[Imran Khan]

Just one or two F16s were delivered to Iran. Iran had ordered 80 of them before the 1979 revolution.

yes sir only two units were delivered .

 

[Yankee-stani]

In one piece? Probably hidden in a tanker

I think the Iranian tanker ship could be a test for Iran to expand influence in Latin America which they been trying to do since the 2000s

 

[Imran Khan]

In one piece? Probably hidden in a tanker



Well they said the same thing about F-14 and then Iran made their own spare parts

you may have never seen documentory of F-14 to iran . usa worked many years to build a city for f14 in iran there was all basic needs filfulled before first f-14 was arrived it was multi billion project of that time . iran can operate f-14 with that support for many many years to come .

 

[Aspen]

iran already have f-16 .

Surely that must be photoshopped

 

[QWECXZ]

I say its not worth flying 25 year old aircraft with Venezuela being in process of switching to another supplier like China or Russia at this point

We can upgrade them. It won't be stealthy, but it will be useful for improving our fleet against neighboring adversaries.

What would the f-16 offer Iran? It is a relatively outdated platform. Inherent stealthy designs which are of larger size is what Iran needs right now.

And where do you plan to get inherently stealthy designed jet fighters now?

F-16 IS NOT F-14 you always need US help to keep them air worthy

Anything can be reverse-engineered as long as you are willing to spend enough time and money on it.

In one piece? Probably hidden in a tanker

Well they said the same thing about F-14 and then Iran made their own spare parts

Are you talking about just one F-16? I think we need many of them.

Surely that must be photoshopped

Probably not. One or two F16s were delivered to Iran before the 1979 revolution.

 

[Aspen]

you may have never seen documentory of F-14 to iran . usa worked many years to build a city for f14 in iran there was all basic needs filfulled before first f-14 was arrived it was multi billion project of that time . iran can operate f-14 with that support for many many years to come .

Venezuela has had F-16 without any US support for years. If Venezuela can do it, Iran can do it.

 

[Philosopher]

And where do you plan to get inherent stealthy designed jet fighters now?

Not focusing on the fact Iran is working on such designs itself (refer to the recent interview with airforce chief) there are nations Iran could obtain such technologies from.

 

[Aspen]

Probably not. One or two F16s were delivered to Iran before the 1979 revolution.

That is crazy, how I have not known about this

Just did some research, apparently 1 of 2 Iranian F-16 is still operational.

The other Iranian F-16 was disassembled for reverse engineering and sent to Pakistan military who itself wanted to reverse engineer it. In exchange for Iranian F-16, Pakistan gave Iran nuclear technology, and reverse engineered tech from Iranian F-16 was used by Pakistan to design JF-17.

https://theaviationist.com/2012/08/20/iran-f16/

 

[QWECXZ]

you may have never seen documentory of F-14 to iran . usa worked many years to build a city for f14 in iran there was all basic needs filfulled before first f-14 was arrived it was multi billion project of that time . iran can operate f-14 with that support for many many years to come .

Yes, but we depended on the US for supplying spare parts. The US refused to provide Iran with spare parts and armaments after the revolution and destroyed its fleet of F14s / upgraded them to F17s in 2006 to prevent Iran from accessing their spare parts in the black market.

14 years after that, our F14s are still flying.

Not focusing on the fact Iran is working on such designs itself (refer to the recent interview with airforce chief) there are nations Iran could obtain such technologies from.

Such as?
We all know that Iran's main problem for producing a jet fighter is the engine. Do you think Russia or China would agree to a ToT for turbofan engines and stealth technology?

 

[Imran Khan]

Venezuela has had F-16 without any US support for years. If Venezuela can do it, Iran can do it.

the question is not to having my dear sir the question is air worthy / ready to combat / up to date / capable .

do you know years and years thailand have aircraft carrier also but they can not use it ??????

 

[Philosopher]

Such as?
We all know that Iran's main problem for producing a jet fighter is the engine. Do you think Russia or China would agree to a ToT for turbofan engines and stealth technology?

Iran and Russia already had an ongoing project, called Shahfaq. As far as transfer of technology is concerned, we are not privy to such information. Moreover, these are beside the point. Whether they can help Iran with such technology or nor does not alter the fact that F-16 has little to offer to Iran. If Iran has to go the way by itself, then so be it.

 

[Imran Khan]

Yes, but we depended on the US for supplying spare parts. The US refused to provide Iran with spare parts and armaments after the revolution and destroyed its fleet of F14s / upgraded them to F17s in 2006 to prevent Iran from accessing their spare parts in the black market.

14 years after that, our F14s are still flying.


Such as?
We all know that Iran's main problem for producing a jet fighter is the engine. Do you think Russia or China would agree to a ToT for turbofan engines and stealth technology?

but they support USA already provided to iran before revolution was more then enough to operate them for many years . i have seen full documentary of support mission and it was huge iranians learnt almost everything of tomcats many years from USA . hundreds of US staff was based in iran for support training and tech .

 

[I S I]

They would fall out of sky like bird poop?

 

[Imran Khan]

We can upgrade them. It won't be stealthy, but it will be useful for improving our fleet against neighboring adversaries.


And where do you plan to get inherently stealthy designed jet fighters now?


Anything can be reverse-engineered as long as you are willing to spend enough time and money on it.


Are you talking about just one F-16? I think we need many of them.


Probably not. One or two F16s were delivered to Iran before the 1979 revolution.

please reverse engineered an F-22 raptor ? its hard work and money of centuries sometime to give you this tech ,

 

[QWECXZ]

Iran and Russia already had an ongoing project, called Shahfaq. As far as transfer of technology is concerned, we are not privy to such information. Moreover, these are beside the point. Whether they can help Iran with such technology or nor does not alter the fact that F-16 has little to offer to Iran. If Iran has to go the way by itself, then so be it.

I know. And what happened to Shafagh? Is it in service? No. The project is really old. I think it was something that we planned to do together with Russians in 2007 or maybe even before that. Did it ever materialize?

We can get a good deal. Venezuela is tight on money now and it doesn't need those 20 F16s anymore and it doesn't even have the technology we have to upgrade them or reverse engineer them. It can end up very cheap for us.

but they support USA already provided to iran before revolution was more then enough to operate them for many years . i have seen full documentary of support mission and it was huge iranians learnt almost everything of tomcats many years from USA . hundreds of US staff was based in iran for support training and tech .

Yes, I have seen the documentary you talk about. But no, even in the last years of the Iraq-Iran war, our F14s were in bad shape. Many of the AIM-54 Phoenix missiles we had bought were not operable anymore.

It's a miracle that Iran still operates its F14s. But it's not surprising considering Iran's capabilities. I mean our civilian airlines suffer from sanctions too, and we are still operating huge Boeing and Airbus passenger airplanes thanks to our engineers.

please reverse engineered an F-22 raptor ? its hard work and money of centuries sometime to give you this tech ,

That's why I said "If you're willing to spend enough time and money on it".

Honestly, if we had an only one F22 at our disposal, it would've been a very valuable asset for our engineers.