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Hi brother, can you stop being so serious? This is a forum for fun. People are talking iq mainly for trolling.

I never talked about IQ and I think IQ has too much baggage attached to it. As you said, IQ is probably for trolling.

As regard to why I find Muslim quarter in Tang Dynasty capitol strange and foreign while Buddhist temples are not, 1st of all, those Muslims in China think their ancestors and homeland are Arabs, no Chinese Buddhist would think India is their homeland. 2nd, Chinese Buddhism has been so sinicized, such as Zen, Pure Land, while Muslims in China strictly follow interpretations from Arab countries, and they even learn Arabic! Every reasonable person would find it foreign. 3rd, whenever a Han Chinese is converted into Muslim, he/she abandons all Chinese traditions such as ancestral worshiping (dismissed as evil idol worship), etc, etc, while Budhism has been so well blended with Chinese traditions.

I find him really strange to compare Buddhist temples with Muslim quarters in Xi'An and call people hypocratic, unless he is a Muslim himself. Nothing wrong with that since a person's identity sometimes does influence his/her position on certain issues. No Han Chinese would think Buddhist is foreign but most will associate Islam with Arabs.

When Muslims in China don't learn Arabic and call Middle East their ancestral homeland, like Han Chinese Buddhist believers don't learn Indian or Nepalese language and call India/Nepal their ancestral homeland, when Muslims don't follow what Arabs' interpretation of their religion but have Chinese version, just like Han Chinese Buddhist believers don't follow Indian/Nepalese Buddhist interpretation and instead have tons of tons of our own canons, then we can call Islam truly a Chinese religion.

So many ancient civilizations have forever disappeared in the dust of history and native people have either been wiped out or converted into other religions/traditions. Do we really want to see China lose its unique identity accumulated through millenniums with flood of immigrants in modern time?
 
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I never talked about IQ and I think IQ has too much baggage attached to it. As you said, IQ is probably for trolling.

As regard to why I find Muslim quarter in Tang Dynasty capitol strange and foreign while Buddhist temples are not, 1st of all, those Muslims in China think their ancestors and homeland are Arabs, no Chinese Buddhist would think India is their homeland. 2nd, Chinese Buddhism has been so sinicized, such as Zen, Pure Land, while Muslims in China strictly follow interpretations from Arab countries, and they even learn Arabic! Every reasonable person would find it foreign. 3rd, whenever a Han Chinese is converted into Muslim, he/she abandons all Chinese traditions such as ancestral worshiping (dismissed as evil idol worship), etc, etc, while Budhism has been so well blended with Chinese traditions.

I find him really strange to compare Buddhist temples with Muslim quarters in Xi'An and call people hypocratic, unless he is a Muslim himself. Nothing wrong with that since a person's identity sometimes does influence his/her position on certain issues. No Han Chinese would think Buddhist is foreign but most will associate Islam with Arabs.

When Muslims in China don't learn Arabic and call Middle East their ancestral homeland, like Han Chinese Buddhist believers don't learn Indian or Nepalese language and call India/Nepal their ancestral homeland, when Muslims don't follow what Arabs' interpretation of their religion but have Chinese version, just like Han Chinese Buddhist believers don't follow Indian/Nepalese Buddhist interpretation and instead have tons of tons of our own canons, then we can call Islam truly a Chinese religion.

So many ancient civilizations have forever disappeared in the dust of history and native people have either been wiped out or converted into other religions/traditions. Do we really want to see China lose its unique identity accumulated through millenniums with flood of immigrants in modern time?

Here comes our resident troll now hinting that I'm a secret Muslim. Didn't you accuse all other Chinese members here of being secret Muslims on the other thread?

The Hui who can trace their ancestry to Arab Muslims are almost all Buddhist or Daoist. The Pu family are 100% non Muslim but descended from Arabs and these are the beneficiaries of affirmitive action. The ones whom you accuse the CPC of favoring. Because they claim benefits from being a minority nationality because their ancestor was from somehwere else, NOT because of their religion.

No Muslim in China thinks their homeland is Arabia. You are using powerful hallucinogens or it must be the weed.

The oldest sect of Islam in China is the Qadeem. They are basically Hanafi Sunnis with heavy influence from Chinese culture and Confucianism.

中国伊斯兰教词汇表 - Jianping Wang - Google Books

Han Kitab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you know after May Fourth most Han were **** on Chinese culture, Confucianism, and Wenyan (classical or literary Chinese) while Muslims still taught these subjects in their schools?

Intellectuals in the Modern Islamic World: Transmission, Transformation and ... - Google Books

I wasn't raised in traditional Chinese religion btw. My parents lost interest in it and my grandfather always reminded me of what Confucius said about superstitions and how different his way of thinking was from modern religion in China. Confucius was against believing in ghosts, superstitions, and told people not to talk about such ridiculous things.

Confucius

12* His disciples recall that Confucius did not talk about extraordinary things, feats of strength, disorder, or spiritual beings. When Tsze-lu asked about serving the spirits of the dead Confucius responded, “While you are not able to serve men, how can you serve their spirits?”*
*** Tsze-lu went on, “May I ask about death?”*
*** He received the answer, “While you do not know life, how can you know about death?”*
*** Confucius added, “The study of strange doctrines is injurious indeed!”

Many ignorants in China believe they can pray and sacrifice to idols to grant them favors, ask forgiveness or inflict revenge on other people. Confucius says its useless.

The Analects :: Book 3

Chapter 13.

That there is no resource against the consequences of violating the right.

1. Wang-sun Chiâ asked, saying, "What is the meaning of the saying, 'It is better to pay court to the furnace than to the southwest corner?'"

2. The Master said, "Not so. He who offends against Heaven has none to whom he can pray."

Confucius said to perform rituals to respect your ancestors and their memory out of filial piety. He said nothing about worshipping them or that your ancestors would be able to grant you favors or forgive the wrongs you did and help you like ancestor worshippers do today.

To be honest me and my parents find ancestor worship and idol worship to be backwards. My grandfather told me to take lessons from Confucius' teachings instead of the degenerate folk religion most people practice.

Buddhism has many teachings which are alien to Chinese culture and Confucianism. Like celibacy, denial of earthly pleasures to obtain enlightenment. No matter even if its not practiced by lay people but just monks its still alien to China. In fact polygamy was the norm in China, not celibacy.

Cremation is a big taboo in traditional Han chinese culture. Its viewed as violating the body. On the other hand Buddhism and dharmic religions encourage cremation. Only buddhist monks were traditionally cremated in China and everyone else was buried. Only the CPC changed that now because China is running out ofnspace.

In the late Tang dynasty Buddhism was attacked as a foreign religion. Monasteries were destroyed, monks were forced to return to secular life, all of the buddhist assets were confisticated, and their sacret statues and objects melted down or smashed. That is why China does not have powerful monks running around today like in Thailand, Cambodia, Burma or Sri Lanka.

And do you remember what the Confucian scholar Han Yu said about Buddhism?

Chinese Cultural Studies: Han Yu

from Edwin O. Reischauer, Ennin's Travels in T'ang China, (New York: Ronald Press, 1955), pp. 221-24 repr. in Alfred J. Andrea and James H. Overfield, The Human Record: Sources of Global History, Vol 1, 2d. ed., (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1994), pp. 187-190

[Andrea Introduction] Chinese Buddhism reached its high point of popularity and influence during the initial stages of the Tang Dynasty (618 – 907), an age of renewed imperial unity and prosperity. Buddhist monasteries and sects proliferated, and the early Tang imperial court often patronized Buddhism in one form or another. However, because so many aspects of Buddhism were at variance with the traditional culture of China, especially Confucian values, conflict was inevitable.

One of the leaders in the Confucian counterattack on Buddhism was the classical prose stylist and poet Han Yu (768–824 CE), who in 819 CE composed a vitriolic polemic attacking Buddhism. The emperor was so enraged that he initially wanted to execute the author, but eventually he contented himself with banishing this impudent civil servant to a frontier outpost.

Later Confucians considered Han Yu a pioneer of a Confucian intellectual revival that culminated in the eleventh and twelfth centuries with the rise of Neo-Confucianism, a movement that wedded metaphysical speculation (concern with matters that transcend the senses) to traditional Confucian practicality. In so doing, the Neo-Confucians offered a metaphysical alternative to the otherworldliness of Daoism and Buddhism and undercut them severely. More immediately, Han Yu’s essay foreshadowed by only a generation a nativist against "foreign" religions.

A champion of rationalism, Han Yu wished to suppress Daoism as well as Buddhism, yet ironically it was due to Daoist influence that Emperor Wuzong initiated a policy of state suppression of a number of foreign religious establishments between 841 and 845. Buddhist monasteries were hard hit by these events, and Chinese Buddhism consequently suffered a major reversal of fortune. Buddhism still remained strong at the popular level, where it increasingly merged with folk magic and other forms of religious Daoism, but from the mid-ninth century on it declined rapidly as a powerful rival to Confucianism for allegiance of China’s ruling class.

Han Yu’s Memorial to Buddhism, which he composed in protest over the Emperor's devotion to a relic of the Buddha's finger bone, reveals why so many Chinese ultimately found Buddhism unacceptable.

Your servant submits that Buddhism is but one of the practices of barbarians which has filtered into China since the Later Han. In ancient times there was no such thing.... In those times the empire was at peace, and the people, contented and happy, lived out their full complement of years.... The Buddhist doctrine had still not reached China, so this could not have been the result of serving the Buddha.

The Buddhist doctrine first appeared in the time of the Emperor Ming of the Han dynasty, and the Emperor Ming was a scant eighteen years on the throne. Afterwards followed a succession of disorders and revolutions, when dynasties did not long endure. From the time of the dynasties Song, Qi, Liang, Chen, and Wei, as they grew more zealous in the service of the Buddha, the reigns of kings became shorter. There was only the Emperor Wu of the Liang who was on the throne for forty-eight years. First and last, he thrice abandoned the world and dedicated himself to the service of the Buddha. He refused to use animals in the sacrifices in his own ancestral temple. His single meal a day was limited to fruits and vegetables. In the end he was driven out and died of hunger. His dynasty likewise came to an untimely end. In serving the Buddha he was seeking good fortune, but the disaster that overtook him was only the greater. Viewed in the light of this, it is obvious that the Buddha is not worth serving.

When Gaozu first succeeded to the throne of the Sui [dynasty 581-618], he planned to do away with Buddhism, but his ministers and advisors were short-sighted men incapable of any real understanding of the Way of the Former Kings, or of what is fitting for past and present; they were unable to apply the Emperor’s ideas so as to remedy this evil, and the matter subsequently came to naught – many the times your servant has regretted it. I venture to consider that Your imperial Majesty, shrewd and wise in peace and war, with divine wisdom and heroic courage, is without an equal through the centuries. When first you came to the throne, you would not permit laymen to become monks or nuns or Daoist priests, nor would you allow the founding of temples or cloisters. It constantly struck me that the intention of Gaozu was to be fulfilled by Your Majesty. Now even though it has not been possible to put it into effect immediately, it is surely nor right to remove all restrictions and turn around and actively encourage them.

Now I hear that by Your Majesty’s command a troupe of monks went to Fengxiang to get the Buddha-bone, and that you viewed it from a tower as it was carried into the Imperial Palace; also that you have ordered that it be received and honored in all the temples in turn. Although your servant is stupid, he cannot help knowing that Your Majesty is not misled by this Buddha, and that you do not perform these devotions to pray for good luck. But just because the harvest has been good and the people are happy, you are complying with the general desire by putting on For the citizens of the capital this extraordinary spectacle which is nothing more than a sort of theatrical amusement. How could a sublime intelligence like yours consent to believe in this sort of thing?

But the people are stupid and ignorant; they are easily deceived and with difficulty enlightened. If they see Your Majesty behaving in this fashion, they are going to think you serve the Buddha in all sincerity. All will say, "The Emperor is wisest of all, and yet he is a sincere believer. What are we common people that we still should grudge our lives?" Burning heads and searing fingers by the tens and hundreds, throwing away their clothes and scattering their money, from morning to night emulating one another and fearing only to be last, old and young rush about, abandoning their work and place; and if restrictions are not immediately imposed, they will increasingly make the rounds of temples and some will inevitably cut off their arms and slice their flesh in the way of offerings. Thus to violate decency and draw the ridicule of the whole world is no light matter.

Now the Buddha was of barbarian origin. His language differed from Chinese speech; his clothes were of a different cut; his mouth did not pronounce the prescribed words of the Former Kings, his body was not clad in the garments prescribed by the Former Kings. He did not recognize the relationship between prince and subject, nor the sentiments of father and son. Let us suppose him to be living today, and that he come to court at the capital as an emissary of his country. Your Majesty would receive him courteously. But only one interview in the audience chamber, one banquet in his honor, one gift of clothing, and he would be escorted under guard to the border that he might not mislead the masses.

How much the less, now that he has long been dead, is it fitting that his decayed and rotten bone, his ill-omened and ****** remains, should be allowed to enter in the forbidden precincts of the Palace? Confucius said, `Respect ghosts and spirits, bur keep away from them.’ The feudal lords of ancient times, when they went to pay a visit of condolence in their states, made it their practice to have exorcists go before with rush-brooms and peachwood branches to dispel unlucky influences. Only after such precautions did they make their visit of condolence. Now without reason you have taken up an unclean thing and examined it in person when no exorcist had gone before, when neither rush-broom nor peachwood branch had been employed. But your ministers did not speak of the wrong nor did the censors call attention to the impropriety; I am in truth ashamed of them. I pray that Your Majesty will turn this bone over to the officials that it may be cast into water or fire, cutting off for all time the root and so dispelling the suspicions of the empire and preventing the befuddlement of later generations. Thereby men may know in what manner a great sage aces who a million times surpasses ordinary men. Could this be anything but ground for prosperity? Could it be anything but a cause for rejoicing.

If the Buddha has supernatural power and can wreak harm and evil, may any blame or retribution fittingly fall on my person. Heaven be my witness: I will not regret it. Unbearably disturbed and with the utmost sincerity I respectfully present my petition that these things may be known.

Your servant is truly alarmed, truly afraid.

https://www2.stetson.edu/secure/history/hy10302/tangreligion.html

PROCLAMATION ORDERING THE DESTRUCTION
OF THE BUDDHIST MONASTERIES (A.D. 845)
by Emperor Wuzong, ruled 840-846

We learn that there was no such thing as Buddhism prior to the Three Dynasties, i.e., Xia, Yin, and Zhou.10) After the dynasties of Han and Wei, the Image-Teaching(11) gradually began to flourish. And once established in that degenerate age, this strange custom prevailed far and wide, and now the people are soaked to the bone with it. Just now the national spirit begins to be spoiled unconsciously by it; and, leading the heart of the people astray, it has put the public in worse condition than ever. In the country - throughout the nine provinces, and among the mountains and fields as well as in both the capitals - the number of priests is daily increasing and the Buddhist temples are constantly winning support.

Wasting human labor in building, plundering the people's purse by golden decorations, neglecting both husband and wife by their vigil-keeping, no teaching is more harmful than this Buddhism. In breaking the laws of the country and injuring the people, none can surpass this Buddhism. Moreover, if a farmer neglects his field, many suffer the pangs of starvation from his negligence; if a woman neglects her silk-worm culture, many suffer the calamity of being frozen to death through her negligence. Now there are at present so many monks and nuns that to count them is almost impossible. They all depend on farming for their food, and upon silkworms for their clothing!

"The public monasteries and temples, as well as private chapels and shrines, are innumerable; and all of them so gigantic and imposing that they vie with the Imperial Palace in splendor! In Dynasties Jin (317-420 C.E.) and Song (420-476 C.E.), Qi (479-501 C.E.), and Liang (502-557 C.E.), the resources of this Empire were exhausted and the country gradually declined, while its manners and customs became flippant and insincere, solely because of this Buddhism.

"Our Imperial ancestor Taizong (12) put an end to confusion and disorder by his arms, and built up the glorious Middle Kingdom and governed his people by his accomplished learning and culture. The right of 'the pen' (i.e., peaceful rule or civic administration) and 'the sword' (i.e., war) belongs to the State, and they are the two weapons wherewith to govern the Empire. How dare the insignificant Teaching of the Western Lands compete with ours? During the periods of Zhenguan and Gaiyuan, (13) things were bettered once for all, but the remnants were smouldering, and poverty began to grow bigger and wider and threatened to set the country ablaze!

"After closely examining the examples set by our Imperial predecessors, We have finally decided to put an end to such conspicuous evils. Do you, Our subjects at home and abroad, obey and conform to Our sincere will. If you send in a Memorial suggesting how to exterminate these evils which have beset Us for many Dynasties, We shall do all We can to carry out the plan. Know that We yield to none in fulfilling the laws of Our predecessors and in trying to be helpful to Our people and beneficial to the public.

"Those 4,600 monasteries supported by the Government shall be confiscated and, at the same time, 260,500 nuns and priests shall return to the secular life so that they may be able to pay the taxes. We shall also confiscate 40,000 private temples with the fertile and good lands amounting to several tens of millions of acres; and emancipate 150,000 slaves and make them into free, tax-paying people. Examining into the teaching from the foreign lands in the Empire, We have discovered that there are over 3,000 monks from Daqin(14) and Muhufu;(15) and these monks also shall return to the lay life. They shall not mingle and interfere with the manners and customs of the Middle Kingdom.

"More than a hundred thousand idle, lazy people and busy bodies have been driven away, and numberless beautifully decorated useless temples have been completely swept away. Hereafter, purity of life shall rule Our people and simple and non-assertive rules prevail, and the people of all quarters shall bask in the sunshine of Our Imperial Influence. But this is only the beginning of the reforms. Let time be given for all, and let Our will be made known to every one of Our subjects lest the people misunderstand Our wish."

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@Speeder 2 @Okemos @szft517

You are so proud of something the western man created. You go by the western man's standards. The only thing Chinese people need it not to believe in high IQ making you superior crap, but YOU have to be proud of YOUR background, ethnicity and national origin in itself. We do not need arguments about high IQ to justify banning immigration, and even right now I'm overlooking your hypocrisy on why you don't complain about Buddhism or Buddhist temples in China but you target another religion for being foreign.

We are proud of being Chinese and thats it. We do not give a damn about what other people think of us. We can ban immigration not because we have this stupid western made intelligence quotient but because we are proud of being Chines and NOT being Indians which is why we don't let Indians to flood into China. We wouldn't let Japanese in either even if they have a higher IQ.

Its merely aeasurement scale much like GDP. Both came out if the west. Might as well stop feeling proud about GDP too.
 
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To be honest me and my parents find ancestor worship and idol worship to be backwards. My grandfather told me to take lessons from Confucius' teachings instead of the degenerate folk religion most people practice.

So do you think it is wrong of me to visit the graves of my ancestors during the Qingming Festival and bow three times to pay my respects?

Do you think it is wrong that my family has idols of Buddha and Guanyin in their houses?

Also, are you an Atheist? (I am an Atheist).

This "degenerate" folk religion you are talking about (Chinese folk religion) is the largest religion in China. And being a native belief system, it has far more place than the Abrahamic religions.

And what is your opinion about Christianity?
 
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So do you think it is wrong of me to visit the graves of my ancestors during the Qingming Festival and bow three times to pay my respects?

Do you think it is wrong that my family has idols of Buddha and Guanyin in their houses?

Also, are you an Atheist? (I am an Atheist).

This "degenerate" folk religion you are talking about (Chinese folk religion) is the largest religion in China. And being a native belief system, it has far more place than the Abrahamic religions.

And what is your opinion about Christianity?

Confucius said to perform rituals for your ancestors out of respect and filial piety. Not to actually worship them or because you believe they will help you or you believe their spirit is hanging around and need help. Not as a prayer or request. If you don't actually believe their spirit is hanging around the grave then go ahead.

Why do you have idols of things which you do not believe in? Who or what are they helping?

Get rid of the Buddhas and then we can talk about who has more place in China. And did you know people kept slapping on new idols and gods for hundreds of years? A famous person could die and suddenly the next day his idol is added to the pantheon.

I don't like evangelical protestants and or a church which has its leader in a foreign country. If there ever is a Church of China like the Church of England (Anglican) then I would support it.
 
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Confucius said to perform rituals for your ancestors out of respect and filial piety. Not to actually worship them or because you believe they will help you or you believe their spirit is hanging around and need help. Not as a prayer or request. If you don't actually believe their spirit is hanging around the grave then go ahead.

Does it matter if I believe it or not? I am an Atheist so I don't believe it, but I still pay respects to my ancestors every Qingming Festival because this is my culture.

Chinese folk religion is native to China and is by far the largest practiced religion. I don't understand how you can call Chinese folk religion "backwards" while defending Abrahamic religions. If we are going by scientific evidence then they are both equally backwards, right? The difference is that Chinese folk religion is native.

I don't like evangelical protestants and or a church which has its leader in a foreign country. If there ever is a Church of China like the Church of England (Anglican) then I would support it.

What, so are you a Christian? Atheist, what exactly?
 
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I MAY be travelling to China frequently soon, so it'll be like my 2nd country....a Chaussie?
 
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Does it matter if I believe it or not? I am an Atheist so I don't believe it, but I still pay respects to my ancestors every Qingming Festival because this is my culture.

Chinese folk religion is native to China and is by far the largest practiced religion. I don't understand how you can call Chinese folk religion "backwards" while defending Abrahamic religions. If we are going by scientific evidence then they are both equally backwards, right? The difference is that Chinese folk religion is native.



What, so are you a Christian? Atheist, what exactly?

You are talking about base, vulgar culture and not higher culture like Confucianism which had remained the same for over 2,000 years.

I am talking about Islam and Judaism in China as practiced by Chinese Muslims and formerely Chinese Jews, not Indian Muslims or Bosnian Muslims or Italian Jews in China.

Would you open China's borders to Burmese? The same people who massacred ethnic Chinese under Ne Win, burning Chinese girls alive in schools and sacking all Chinese businesses? The people who attacked Kokang Chinese in 2009? Did you know what happened under Ne Win?
 
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Would you open China's borders to Burmese?

And why would I possibly want to do that?

Didn't you see my first post? I don't want any mass immigration into China at all, and I don't know why I would make an exception for Burmese who I am not particularly fond of in the first place.

Chinese resources for Chinese citizens, that is my position.
 
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Does it matter if I believe it or not? I am an Atheist so I don't believe it, but I still pay respects to my ancestors every Qingming Festival because this is my culture.

Chinese folk religion is native to China and is by far the largest practiced religion. I don't understand how you can call Chinese folk religion "backwards" while defending Abrahamic religions. If we are going by scientific evidence then they are both equally backwards, right? The difference is that Chinese folk religion is native.



What, so are you a Christian? Atheist, what exactly?

Is it really worthwhile to argue with him when he belittles folk ancestral worshipping as degenerate? I already pointed out why christianity and islam will always be regarded as foreign when they abandon all Chinese practices. No matter how much he quoted philosophical debates 1500 years ago, which btw is well known to high school kids since Han Yu's essay is part of curriculum, china is by and large Buddhist county, just like Uk is Christian country even though both originated from elsewhere.
 
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Is it really worthwhile to argue with him when he belittles folk ancestral worshipping as degenerate? I already pointed out why christianity and islam will always be regarded as foreign when they abandon all Chinese practices. No matter how much he quoted philosophical debates 1500 years ago, which btw is well known to high school kids since Han Yu's essay is part of curriculum, china is by and large Buddhist county, just like Uk is Christian country even though both originated from elsewhere.

:cheesy: very funny joke. All British Christians know the trinity, jesus christ, book of common prayer and how to pray. How many Chinese know Buddhism?

And why would I possibly want to do that?

Didn't you see my first post? I don't want any mass immigration into China at all, and I don't know why I would make an exception for Burmese who I am not particularly fond of in the first place.

Chinese resources for Chinese citizens, that is my position.

I confused you with ephone
 
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heheh.. that will be fun .. when a critical mass build up rather soon, there will be "demands" which will prompt CPC to crack down harshly on religious extremism and this will inturn trigger of spates of bombings and acts of djehad by non state actors. lol...

The chinese are anything but stupid. IIRC Hongkong does not even allow visa on arrival for pakistanis, while they allow Indians.
 
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yea, if white americans are not endangered, I don't think we will be a problem......

Also, you are in thailand for reasons unknown, if you must you can come back to add to that population.

No, just no. I would much prefer that kind of attitude is not brought into China.
 
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what immigrants from NK???

I do not think so.

I am sure China may allow a very selective group of immigrants.

They already have immigrants from NK etc.

However it will be hard to match the immigration policies in the following order

1. The most lenient: English speaking countries (UK, US, Canada, Australia)

2. After English speaking countries: Scandinavian countries.

3. Last but not least, South Europeans
 
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good, only for now...




A red herring.


China was seperated to India by the highest moutain ranges in the world, hence travelling was impossible. China only remotely started to know a little about India at about Tang era. If Buddhism had been introduced to China now or 40 years from now, China would have had 10s of millions of Indian immigrants already to be conservative.

Christianity timing was also different. it was introduced to China when China was at its lowest, economically and technologically hence immigration was not attractive for most Christians.




genetics were more or less the same as their neighbooring racial kin such as Arabs.





inferiority?? no, it´s borderline supeority, but honestly just plain fact, nothing inferior or superior.

Before the 19th century nobody even heard of an IQ score, yet since the start of humanity, everyone knew what´s intelligence, who is smart and who is not, ppl know it when they see one since time immemorial . IQ test is just a modern proxy.





unless you are a red hot Marxist of courseit, qhat i said is neither fake nor retarded, which is reserved for some others, mind you language.





Strawman! I didn´t insult national minorities, not one word, and didn´t mention `fighting ability` at all. In fact many these `mnorities` are artifically `Mao era` red creation, and many have significant Han Chinese admixture over time to the extend that when they dress the same standing there you can´t tell whom is whom.

Admit it, do you really think that China would have achieved the same or even remotely close in hisotry if it were populated mostly by Tibetans, or Tajiks, or Somalis, for instance, instead of Han? it´s not even funny.





In fact, it has been largely so.

In science community, it is a well known and long established theory that higher IQ is the direct result of the ice ages.

Thus people from the north ( presumablely and generally having higher IQ ) have won most if not all battles against ppl from the south( presumablely and generally having lower IQ ). It´s been theorised and tested by many historians and eminent figures such as Galton.


e.g. China has only been conquered twice in history, both by people from the north with similar or slightly higher IQ average- Mogols and Manchus, similar went for the Romans for another typical example, whereas generally speaking a southern people/tribe has never conquered a people/tribe originated from the north in a significant way but reversely - Indian history is a typical case in point.

Persians have R1A genes, and native J1 Iranic Clades, few admixture from Semites even during the Bronze age when Mesopotamian/Elamites influenced Iranian Settlers. So there goes your theory about Arabs being there closest kins. Arab is an social construct and is practically extinct as an monocultral ethnic group by the 9th century AD. And the people of the Near East is what made Europe have an agricultural civilization in the first place. Do you really think Rome would have exist without the existence of the Middle-East? China independently created an civilization of its own, but the Europeans and Middle-Easterners inter-dependent each other since the dawn of Sumeria civilization in West Eurasia. Northern Europeans only contirbuted alot to the world after the Reformation and Scientific enlightenment, and this was due to the specific circumstances at the time. Don't forget that they wanted to carve up China after the Boxer rebellion so don't romanticize them too much..
 
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