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NEW YORK: China is officially the United States' biggest foreign creditor, with roughly $900 billion in Treasury holdings, or over $1 trillion with Hong Kong's holdings included. That means it could do severe damage to US debt markets if it suddenly started selling large amounts.

Most experts say if there were signs of this happening, the US government would go for a combination of persuading Americans to buy more US debt, the same way they did in World War II, and finding friendly foreign governments to make additional purchases.
Banks could be called on to increase their holdings of treasuries, and as a last resort, the Federal Reserve could also be called on to fill the gap, though this could risk turning any dollar weakness into a slump.

"The US government should have and maybe still could call on the people of the US to invest in US debt," said David Walker, a former US comptroller general who heads an advocacy group calling on the government to curb the US budget deficit and borrowings. To be sure, the idea that China would suddenly sell its US debt holdings is almost unimaginable to some.

After all, any weakening in the US debt markets and the resulting global markets turmoil, including likely weakness in the dollar, would bounce back on China and could hurt its economy badly, especially as the United States is such a huge Chinese export market.

It likely would take something like a massive rise in tensions over an issue like Taiwan or oil exploration in disputed areas of the South China Sea, including possible military confrontation between the two nations. Such a confrontation would also make it easier for Washington to appeal to the American public to buy its debt for patriotic reasons.

But Beijing could also justify pulling back sharply from US Treasuries if the dollar were to plunge, perhaps because of Washington's failure to curb its budget deficit and debt. "I worry that we could be at a tipping point," said Eswar Prasad, a Brookings Institution economist and former International Monetary Fund official with responsibility for China.

"If the Chinese say 'We're not buying any more Treasuries,' this could act as a trigger around which nervous market sentiment coalesces," he said. "People could start wondering how the US is going to finance its deficit."

APPEAL TO OTHER COUNTRIES

In 2009, economist Brad Setser suggested the United States could establish emergency currency swap lines with political allies if a country like China ever abandoned the US debt market. But the list of countries prepared to step in as buyers when US Treasury officials try to hawk US debt or seek foreign currency loans has probably changed somewhat since Europe became mired in a debt crisis.

Since Setser's proposal appeared in a memo published by the Council on Foreign Relations, Germany has had to throw billions of euros behind other euro zone countries' debt to keep the euro zone intact. With other European countries drawing on swap lines established by the Fed, they are hardly in a position to support the United States.
 
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'Starving Americans?' :what: seriously?

A sale of 1 trillion in securities and cutting economic ties to the US would plunge the value of the dollar. At this critical time, we can secure grain on the world markets, even taking a loss; this will further spike the price of grain. With economic ties to the US cut off, every non-food item they use will be in shortage, prompting even greater price increases. Angry at being deluded by US propaganda, american citizens will riot and revolt, forcing the US army to put it down, and reducing US legitimacy further in the eyes of its citizens. The US might not collapse completely but it would be severely weakened for decades.
 
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A sale of 1 trillion in securities and cutting economic ties to the US would plunge the value of the dollar. At this critical time, we can secure grain on the world markets, even taking a loss; this will further spike the price of grain. With economic ties to the US cut off, every non-food item they use will be in shortage, prompting even greater price increases. Angry at being deluded by US propaganda, american citizens will riot and revolt, forcing the US army to put it down, and reducing US legitimacy further in the eyes of its citizens. The US might not collapse completely but it would be severely weakened for decades.

Where do you think the world markets get their grain FROM?

Please keep in mind that USA produces 15 to 20 TIMES more food that it needs and that excess production supplies large portions of the world markets.

Also, never make the mistake of underestimating the patriotism of Americans.
 
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I guess with their allies they will launch economic sanctions and war threatens.
 
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Where do you think the world markets get their grain FROM?

Please keep in mind that USA produces 15 to 20 TIMES more food that it needs and that excess production supplies large portions of the world markets.

Also, never make the mistake of underestimating the patriotism of Americans.

The patriotism of radical white americans.

As the proportion of radical whites decrease due to demographic pressures, this would no longer be an issue.

The so called "patriotism" of americans, that it somehow is "stronger" than the patriotism of other countries is another US propaganda lie. American children are brainwashed from day 1 of first grade to sing praises about their government, flag and constitution. US students have a "pledge of allegiance" ritual EVERY DAY to brainwash them, exactly like NORTH KOREA and other rogue states; even Iran does not do this. What is the need for all this propaganda and brainwashing if the US is really all that great and Americans are all so patriotic?
 
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The patriotism of radical white americans.

As the proportion of radical whites decrease due to demographic pressures, this would no longer be an issue.

The so called "patriotism" of americans, that it somehow is "stronger" than the patriotism of other countries is another US propaganda lie. American children are brainwashed from day 1 of first grade to sing praises about their government, flag and constitution. US students have a "pledge of allegiance" ritual EVERY DAY to brainwash them, exactly like NORTH KOREA and other rogue states; even Iran does not do this. What is the need for all this propaganda and brainwashing if the US is really all that great and Americans are all so patriotic?

There is no brainwashing as you describe as there is no need for it, plain and simple. Further, the demographics of the USA are far more stable than ANY other major power, including China's.

There are radical white americans for sure, but trust me, ALL immigrants fall in love with the country that welcomes them so openly and provides them all the tools for their eventual success. I know. I am one of them.

All this bilious rhetoric aside, could you please answer my point about how the world markets will get a large portion of their grain?
 
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But Beijing could also justify pulling back sharply from US Treasuries if the dollar were to plunge, perhaps because of Washington's failure to curb its budget deficit and debt. "I worry that we could be at a tipping point," said Eswar Prasad, a Brookings Institution economist and former International Monetary Fund official with responsibility for China.

This seems more likely.

If America continues to devalue the dollar via Quantitative easing, then it becomes a bad investment, from a financial point of view.

This affects not just debt, but also currency reserves.

China may hold $1 trillion in US debt, but also holds $2.8 trillion in currency reserves. That is the bigger issue.
 
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There is no brainwashing as you describe as there is no need for it, plain and simple. Further, the demographics of the USA are far more stable than ANY other major power, including China's.

There are radical white americans for sure, but trust me, ALL immigrants fall in love with the country that welcomes them so openly and provides them all the tools for their eventual success. I know. I am one of them.

All this bilious rhetoric aside, could you please answer my point about how the world markets will get a large portion of their grain?

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The same way the Soviets did: procure them through 3rd parties, front companies, and from non-US markets.

Your experience in the US does not match many other people's, especially the highly educated PhDs my father was lucky enough to be colleagues with. Your personal success does not mean the majority are successful. The majority are not. Of course, "investment immigrants" and political traitors paid for by the US government are the exception. US demographics will eventually force the white ruling class to accept a Mexican majority, who have far less ties to the US. When the inevitable revolt comes, the US will be severely weakened. What do you mean there's no brainwashing. Are you denying that children in the US must speak the pledge of allegiance every day?
 
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A sale of 1 trillion in securities and cutting economic ties to the US would plunge the value of the dollar. At this critical time, we can secure grain on the world markets, even taking a loss; this will further spike the price of grain. With economic ties to the US cut off, every non-food item they use will be in shortage, prompting even greater price increases. Angry at being deluded by US propaganda, american citizens will riot and revolt, forcing the US army to put it down, and reducing US legitimacy further in the eyes of its citizens. The US might not collapse completely but it would be severely weakened for decades.

You make me wonder somtimes if you understand the difference of reality and fantasy. You do know that the U.S. produces far more food then it can use right? And you do realize that China's U.S. bond investments are short term.

Personally I hope that China will stop buying U.S. bonds. It will force the politicians to stop spending so much. However that won't happen for one very good reason. China does not want the dollar to fall and make U.S. goods cheaper.
 
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Most ethnic minorities in China are racially brother of the Han Chinese, unlike US, which is mostly divided by White/Black/Hispanic. So, their racial allegiance isn't that strong compared to China.
 
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You make me wonder somtimes if you understand the difference of reality and fantasy. You do know that the U.S. produces far more food then it can use right? And you do realize that China's U.S. bond investments are short term.

Personally I hope that China will stop buying U.S. bonds. It will force the politicians to stop spending so much. However that won't happen for one very good reason. China does not want the dollar to fall and make U.S. goods cheaper.

You don't even know history, no wonder the average IQ of the US is low and declining. During the Great Depression the US also produced far more food than it could use, guess what? 7 million people disappeared off the census.
 
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You don't even know history, no wonder the average IQ of the US is low and declining. During the Great Depression the US also produced far more food than it could use, guess what? 7 million people disappeared off the census.

Judging by the internet comments, i can now assume that the dumb Americans are by far the majority of the population.
 
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