What twin engine Jet Fighter Suits PAF Doctrine?

[Zain Malik]

There are pictures of PAF pilots and other personnel who have been flying the Flankers in China hence they are trained...

Then Share Plz....!!

Acquiring a new aircraft will probably take 3-4 years...Then it is of no use to predict and waste time on future procurements...

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan doesn't have the money. Look at the defence budget currently and Pakistan is having to seriously think of opportunity cost. There will be no SU-35.

Who said we would buy SU-35 with current budget ? As for Government they are actually more actively involved in talks.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Can Rafale or EFT cost similar to the SU-35 ? 24 aircraft for 2 billion as offered to China.

I do not think this is possible hence it is very simple that Pakistan only has that option...Though I would have Personally liked EFT to be part of PAF.


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the eft cost £85 million the su-30 series much less than that

 

[waz]

There was a report earlier that China is planning to make an airport near China and Pakistan border which would be used by both PLAAF and PAF jointly.

If this is true then China would establish infrastructure PAF would only require to purchase some aircraft. There are pictures of PAF pilots and other personnel who have been flying the Flankers in China hence they are trained...

What could happen in future we can not be sure.

The airport is understandable, due to be close partners. In terms of infrastructure for the Russian jets, that's difference i.e. production line, overhaul facilities etc. That's why the SU-35 is out of the question. Pakistani pilots have flown flankers for years, as part and parcel of training exercises. That does not translate into a buy for advanced Russian jets.
If the PAF has the funds eventually, they should ask the Eurofighter consortium.

Who said we would buy SU-35 with current budget ? As for Government they are actually more actively involved in talks.

They aren't bro, if so where is the evidence?

 

[Signalian]

Then Share Plz....!!

Acquiring a new aircraft will probably take 3-4 years...Then it is of no use to predict and waste time on future procurements...

http://www.asian-defence.net/2011/04/pak-pilots-on-sukhois-su-30-fighter-jet.html

https://defence.pk/threads/paf-and-chinese-pilots-on-sukhoi-aircraft.331027/

 

[BetterPakistan]

SU-35 because we don't have any it and it is the best one in all listed above.

I feel no more F-16 are required. Pak should focus on improving its JF-17 and making it better than F-16 and for other fighters I feel we should go for Su-35

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Then Share Plz....!!

Acquiring a new aircraft will probably take 3-4 years...Then it is of no use to predict and waste time on future procurements...

Already links have been posted for you...

the eft cost £85 million the su-30 series much less than that

Any news regarding what would older EFT's would cost because some are to be replaced...

USD 100 million for Trench 3.. thanks.

The airport is understandable, due to be close partners. In terms of infrastructure for the Russian jets, that's difference i.e. production line, overhaul facilities etc. That's why the SU-35 is out of the question. Pakistani pilots have flown flankers for years, as part and parcel of training exercises. That does not translate into a buy for advanced Russian jets.
If the PAF has the funds eventually, they should ask the Eurofighter consortium.



They aren't bro, if so where is the evidence?

If PAF decides to buy around 3 sqd it would be 54 aircraft add the 24 China has bought 78 aircraft would not make production line worth being invested in unless PAF decides that it would be used for some thing else as well. These orders would be ready made solutions off the Russian production facility.

There is a higher chance that EFT might be offered to PAF and funded trough various support funds of USA with KSA, Turkey or Italy as the front man. Still the numbers that would be procured would be less hence it would have to be supplemented by older models of EFT Trench 1 and 2. However the upgrade would be far more costlier than F-16's.

 

[Signalian]

There are some interesting things about SU35 that PAF inventory has not experienced as yet.

1. Rear looking radar N012.
2. Buddy refuelling
3. K-100 AAM , 200km range.
4. Thrust vectoring

I am not sure what kind of AESA radar is developed for SU35, it has a PESA radar.

 

[volatile]

I doubt very much about your hunch for the SU35s. The rest I am happy with
I would love to see the SU 35 IN PAF but it seems very unlikely. If push comes to shove then J10 series and then J31/alike option around 2023-25.

Some how as we analyzed J10 is a missed opportunity it should have been inducted in 2004 but as we reached to 2020 im doubtful about its relevancy ,with F16 and J10 offers more or less same it will be tricky to see how J10 end up .SU 35 can be a possibility why 500 Mil for 6 copies is not a bad deal .These days Chinese are happy to offer soft loan on any thing to us .

Pakistan doesn't have the money. Look at the defence budget currently and Pakistan is having to seriously think of opportunity cost. There will be no SU-35.

Yes Pakistan rote dhotey bhi sub kuch ley leta hai .You know how much we are buying this year alone .

8 Subs
50+ F17
Turkish deal
SAMs
helicopters
Surface ships
MBT

SO its a matter of will and openness towards newer systems

 

[New World]

the eft cost £85 million the su-30 series much less than that

£85 million for EFT is with support or without Support?

SD 100 million for Trench 3.. thanks.

USD 100mln for a jet is affordable in current economic situation if 18+18+18+18 is ordered..

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

£85 million for EFT is with support or without Support?


USD 100mln for a jet is affordable in current economic situation if 18+18+18+18 is ordered..

Yes indeed... You are talking about an order of USD 8 billion in 6 yrs time from the date it is signed...

PAF might look at some other possibilities for acquiring these aircraft IF chosen.

 

[Joe Shearer]

There are some interesting things about SU35 that PAF inventory has not experienced as yet.

1. Rear looking radar N012.
2. Buddy refuelling
3. K-100 AAM , 200km range.
4. Thrust vectoring

I am not sure what kind of AESA radar is developed for SU35, it has a PESA radar.

Zhuk.

It comes in both PESA and AESA versions. You can get it with J10s, if you order those.

 

[Blue Marlin]

£85 million for EFT is with support or without Support?


USD 100mln for a jet is affordable in current economic situation if 18+18+18+18 is ordered..

just for the bird, double that for a 10+ year support package

 

[Zarvan]

The airport is understandable, due to be close partners. In terms of infrastructure for the Russian jets, that's difference i.e. production line, overhaul facilities etc. That's why the SU-35 is out of the question. Pakistani pilots have flown flankers for years, as part and parcel of training exercises. That does not translate into a buy for advanced Russian jets.
If the PAF has the funds eventually, they should ask the Eurofighter consortium.



They aren't bro, if so where is the evidence?

You will see the evidence really soon. Talks are on.

 

[New World]

Yes indeed... You are talking about an order of USD 8 billion in 6 yrs time from the date it is signed...

PAF might look at some other possibilities for acquiring these aircraft IF chosen.

there is Big IF on aircraft.. if chosen it will help us in replacement of F-16 with TFX..