What twin engine Jet Fighter Suits PAF Doctrine?

[Max Pain]

The Most realistic option I can think of is J-31,
we can tweak the J-31 with Turkish Sub Systems or better yet somehow get the Turks in J-31 Program if the Chinese agree.
This would benifit all sides.

 

[batmannow]

The Most realistic option I can think of is J-31,
we can tweak the J-31 with Turkish Sub Systems or better yet somehow get the Turks in J-31 Program if the Chinese agree.
This would benifit all sides.

Friend ,
Its too futuristic , the best we can go is J*20s or J*10s , while investing in J*31s .

 

[Max Pain]

Friend ,
Its too futuristic , the best we can go is J*20s or J*10s , while investing in J*31s .

nah,Its the most realistic one,
it saves funds,
JF 17 will fill the Gap and when the time's right we'll have a J 31 thats both dual engined and Stealth,
effectively covering our needs.

 

[batmannow]

nah,Its the most realistic one,
it saves funds,
JF 17 will fill the Gap and when the time's right we'll have a J 31 thats both dual engined and Stealth,
effectively covering our needs.

dear ,
how many of J*31 S are now in PLAF ?
If not why ?
& when ?
what happens if a war between us & india happens ?
would we be saving our funds & would be waiting for J*31s getting mature for the JFT'S combo ?

 

[Max Pain]

dear ,
how many of J*31 S are now in PLAF ?
If not why ?
& when ?
what happens if a war between us & india happens ?
would we be saving our funds & would be waiting for J*31s getting mature for the JFT'S combo ?

How many Jf 17's are in PLAAF? NONE
so lets not implement that logic,
A J 10 will be nothing short of a waste of Money,
Investing on Upgrading JF-17s and saving the rest for 5th Gen J 31 is the best bet.

As for war with India,
that wont happen. Chillax.

 

[batmannow]

How many Jf 17's are in PLAAF? NONE
so lets not implement that logic,
A J 10 will be nothing short of a waste of Money,
Investing on Upgrading JF-17s and saving the rest for 5th Gen J 31 is the best bet.

As for war with India,
that wont happen. Chillax.

they don't need JFT'S ,we nred it ,?
investing in JFT & J*31 S yes nice , sure !
but what we will , if we have a war with india a week after ?
nothing right ?

 

[Max Pain]

they don't need JFT'S ,we nred it ,?
investing in JFT & J*31 S yes nice , sure !
but what we will , if we have a war with india a week after ?
nothing right ?

even thinking about a war with india just next week is nothing short of sheer India Phobia.
I assure you they cant do shit.
Lets focus on the tasks that are already going smoothly,
everything has its time.
we dont have to rush it and be patient.
its riddiculous to think that India will attack a week after.
aint gonna and probably wont ever happen.

 

[SrNair]

What about this ??You can consider , a twin engine

Hi,

When facing an enemy the size of india----where the bottom 2/3rds won't even feel the pain of war---pakistan is in a losing preposition---it will actually be only 1/8th of india directly effected with a war with pakistan.

Now change the prepopsition of 60-80 % of india under strike range thru conventional means---we have a different ball game.

A deep strike force---will split up the indian air force---it will take away its concentration away from punjab and spread it put wider over a larger area----.

By releasing the pressure over western punjab---Paf will have more flexibility and ability to strike and dominate.

J31 needs a BVR truck to be the launch platform for the weapons----.

Nice idea @MastanKhan ji
Perhaps your military commanders already considered that possibility .I think Indian side also .
So you will have an Indian CBG and 30 + fighters will wait there during emergency cases .

Coming to use of twin engined Long range aircraft like SU35 or J-11 for naval ops.

Indian naval asset in range of 500km from karachi can be countered with JF-17 armed with CM-400. If its a frigate or destroyer as target in the area, JF-17 can be armed with 2 X PL-9, 1 X CM-400 and any other anti ship missile or drop fuel tanks. JF-17's can take-off with half fuel capacity in internal tank to compensate for large payload take-off. get refuelled in mid air, vector southwards 300-350 km towards the sea. fire the stand off CM-400 between 180-250 km range and head back. 2-4 JF-17 formation firing CM-400 should atleast damage the frigate if not sink it, hampering it to continue further ops.
JF-17 can be armed with 2 X SD-10 if Mig-29's are providing air cover to the IN frigate and comes to engage JF-17 but still JF-17 will fire at the frigate from a stand off distance.

If its an IN aircraft carrier group at any distance (500-5000km), better to use a ballistic missile to sink it or deter it from coming closer to Pakistan than to face 8-10 ready to fly Mig-29's plus more taking off within minutes to protect the aircraft carrier and lots of SAM armed Frigates/ Destroyers protecting it.

I am not sure if PAF F-16's are HARPOON integrated.
I dont think EXOCET can be fired from F-16.
But HARPOON equipped F-16 with CFT (increased range by 20-40%) will be a potent threat to IN ships. Add 300 gallons drop fuel tanks and range increases more. HARPOON has a range of 100+ km so its a stand off weapon also. F-16 can carry 2 X Harpoon.

PN P-3C can also use HARPOON. P-3C has a large range and loiter time. In any anti-ship mission, F-16's can escort it for strike.
I think PN Atlantique (only 2 in use) can also carry HARPOON and it also has good range and loiter time.

Basically, PAF and PN already has aircraft and weapons to counter IN ships. Now a 5th gen aircraft is required for both, preferable a STOVL version of J-31 for PN.

And you forgot main team in there
The IAF

On topic @Irfan Baloch
I would suggest EFT .

If you are able to convince the KSA .You will get at least two squadrons .
KSA will use her might for diplomacy .

Su 35 is a choice indeed .But you can assume the outcome .Because we are using most modern MKI for decades .

So EFT .
Only cost would be your relation with Iran

 

[lafete]

You need to be able to defend Gwadar and the entire coast of Pakistan.
In case things heat up between Iran and Gulf, Pakistan must be able to protect fuel coming through the Gulf.
You need to be able to fly Jets from Pakistan, carry out missions in the Gulf and return to Pakistan.

Dual engine jets are a must with the changing geopolitical situation.

 

[MastanKhan]

Nice idea @MastanKhan
So you will have an Indian CBG and 30 + fighters will wait there during emergency cases .

Hi,

Just because an A/C carrier has 30 aircraft---does not mean that all will be in the air---.

Possibility is that at the most----there will be between 4-6 aircraft in the air at one time.

But just because you have 30 aircraft---the opponent is not going to fold down.

 

[batmannow]

even thinking about a war with india just next week is nothing short of sheer India Phobia.
I assure you they cant do shit.
Lets focus on the tasks that are already going smoothly,
everything has its time.
we dont have to rush it and be patient.
its riddiculous to think that India will attack a week after.
aint gonna and probably wont ever happen.

u can live in your sweet dreams , but just a few week before , it was Pathankot , & it can easily went out of control ?
you don't have any gurnteeS , nothing will happen in next coming future ?
I also can wish thst , but then again it just a wish , we don't have any control on our enemy's thought process ?
btw teaching pakistan a lesson was the bold , line of campaign of BJP & Mr moodi ?
they are looking for that , & preparing about it , but we are living in your kind of sweet dreams won't work for us ?
come out of your sweet dreams , cause we have wars with india 4 times in the past , with possiblity of having the 5th .

 

[Max Pain]

u can live in your sweet dreams , but just a few week before , it was Pathankot , & it can easily went out of control ?
you don't have any gurnteeS , nothing will happen in next coming future ?
I also can wish thst , but then again it just a wish , we don't have any control on our enemy's thought process ?
btw teaching pakistan a lesson was the bold , line of campaign of BJP & Mr moodi ?
they are looking for that , & preparing about it , but we are living in your kind of sweet dreams won't work for us ?
come out of your sweet dreams , cause we have wars with india 4 times in the past , with possiblity of having the 5th .

no it wont and thats a sweet dream im sure of.
This sweet deam is whats actually gonna happen.
They cant attack, they wont.
however feel free to believe in what you said and stay scared of Indians and keep on waiting for that attack that you eagerly are waiting for.

 

[SrNair]

Hi,

Just because an A/C carrier has 30 aircraft---does not mean that all will be in the air---.

Possibility is that at the most----there will be between 4-6 aircraft in the air at one time.

But just because you have 30 aircraft---the opponent is not going to fold down.

INS Vikramaditya and her powerful followers will always stationed in western fleet .
What is the duty of a Navy or in that case an armed forces ?
Defending their nation at any cost with whatever weapons in their inventory .
So you can guarantee 30 fighters from INS Viki within minutes on a short notice or warning .
Then you will also have the IAF in there as support .
INS Vikramaditya and her CBG for Western fleet and INS Vikrant for Eastern fleet .
Honestly we dont have any serious enemy in our eastern sector .So perhaps you can expect Eastern fleet CBG.
And if these kind of situation arises after one decade .
Eastern fleet wont interfere but you will have a mighty CBG spearheaded by INS Vishal in there .

Peninsular India is a turf of Indian Navy .You cant pass without Navy permission. .

 

[barbarosa]

If twine engine aircraft is must for PAF then i will suggest SU 35 the air craft of today.

 

[MastanKhan]

u can live in your sweet dreams , but just a few week before , it was Pathankot , & it can easily went out of control ?
you don't have any gurnteeS , nothing will happen in next coming future ?
I also can wish thst , but then again it just a wish , we don't have any control on our enemy's thought process ?
btw teaching pakistan a lesson was the bold , line of campaign of BJP & Mr moodi ?
they are looking for that , & preparing about it , but we are living in your kind of sweet dreams won't work for us ?
come out of your sweet dreams , cause we have wars with india 4 times in the past , with possiblity of having the 5th .

Hi,

Why argue with young men.