irrelevant and out of scope of the discussion although I would have asked him how he would locate the Indian ships in first space? via google map or a Naval asset and then convey back to someone in say pakpatan or rajanpur to deploy the missile which will take from 40 minutes to maybe hours to prep and then fire .
its not that simple. what those missiles will be armed with? if you are suggesting non-conventional payload then thats just another discussion which is out of scope and a troll invite.
I am aware of ground based ballistic missiles only and suggesting their use without any way to identify a moving target in the deep sea? I dont know , but lets stay within scope of discussion.
and your last comment about PN subs shows lack of basic knowledge of Naval warfare and roles of different Naval vessels. our subs are not dedicated sub hunters , its the job of surface ships like frigates that too are multi role. subs are either missile platform and are part of strategic weapon system like American boomers or essentially meant for ships. Pakistani subs are multi-role and they might be able to take out another sub but their primary function is against ships which cant be divorced.
I suggest we go back to the air again
There are numerous ways to locate ships, its not finding a needle in the haystack. Naval intelligence of every country has this duty to start with. whenever countries go to war, their spies are tasked with locating about enemy formations be it land, air or sea to save themselves from surprise. In any case, Pakistan has numerous times used help from Chinese satellites in the absence of a substantial platform for detecting enemy movement.
I am not sure if Pakistani missile assets are located at Pakpattan or Rajanpur, i have a very different information about that. Shows your lack of knowledge on locations of PA missile elements.
Talking about 40 minutes or an hour for prep to fire a missile again shows your lack of knowledge of how PA formulates its operational status and target acquisition for such missile attacks. Let me give you a hint, 90% targets are marked before a war. The status is ready when escalation draws near.
To know about conventional or non conventional warheads, read about DF-21 to get more knowledge.I think your observation on this thread skipped my post.
and about my last comment. I never called myself an expert. PN subs can be engaged anywhere in the sea, be it any mission. My point was of their absence and use of Air assets, i was never defining PN subs mission scope. I could also have talked about PN surface ships engaging in combat too or maybe they are docked at the pier in the entire, so what, we are talking of strike by Air . However, if you would like to make this a naval thread and start a discussion, go ahead.
we can surely go back in the air again, a long range multirole aircraft can be intercepted by IN a/c carrier if its vectoring on sea to strike any indian target south of Gujarat in India. Taking out IN a/c carrier by SU35 J11 JH-7 is out of question.and in any naval ops, sooner or later PAF will come across this IN carrier.
You can continue this thread as long as you want, but fact remains that PAF needs a 5th gen fighter to counter anything that IAF can fly in the air and no 4.5 gen fighter can offer stealth to make a long range attack. Let IAF go for Rafale, if PAF picks up a 5th gen, Rafale loses its edge over PAF straightaway.
unfortunately, weapons like the df-21 and df-26 asbms are not stand alone weapons, to use them one would require a vast sensor net, the kind of which very few countries can build or afford, for china to sell such a system effectively means allowing the buyer to use the full chinese sensor network, from land based sensors to uavs to satellites, which effectively means china is involved in whatever conflict the weapon is used automatically.
Mate, we will have to take this discussion somewhere else for the sake of OP sanity. OP is getting paranoid when i give other options like missiles.