What the Indian space programme can teach the US

[FaujHistorian]

In terms of technological progress and achievement the Americans have nothing to learn.
In terms of wasteful spending and sheer achievement from a budget, then they have plenty to learn.

Not sure wasteful spending comment is right.

NASA has about $20 billion budget. Care to explain where the wasteful spending is going on?

particularly which mission?

 

[karan21]

People who believe that USA is light years ahead of us in Space are wrong....
USA is not light years ahead, it was but not anymore.

India is capable to undertake any mission that the USA has done and is planning to do in the future. It all comes down to funding and government mission. The biggest US achieverment in space is sending man on moon, India can do it too in less then 20 years. India has access to all major technologies in space from cryogenic engines, to navigation, to remote sensing, materials, telescoping and research.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

People who believe that USA is light years ahead of us in Space are wrong....
USA is not light years ahead, it was but not anymore.

India is capable to undertake any mission that the USA has done and is planning to do in the future. It all comes down to funding and government mission. The biggest US achieverment in space is sending man on moon, India can do it too in less then 20 years. India has access to all major technologies in space from cryogenic engines, to navigation, to remote sensing, materials, telescoping and research.

It is light years a head.

For the love of god, a US private company has better launch vehicles than India.

 

[karan21]

It is light years a head.

For the love of god, a US private company has better launch vehicles than India.

I am not talking about the development and space achievement aspect. I am talking about the engineering aspect. No US is not light years ahead. We Indian's have this inferiority complex. Get over with it. Indian ISRO is capable of undertaking any mission that the US's NASA or Space x is doing. Give them the mandate and funding and they can do it.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Not sure wasteful spending comment is right.

NASA has about $20 billion budget. Care to explain where the wasteful spending is going on?

particularly which mission?

sending so many probe to find water in moon, but its space craft that find water in moon.
sends probes to mars , it will now indian probe to find soothing beneficial

I am not talking about the development and space achievement aspect. I am talking about the engineering aspect. No US is not light years ahead. We Indian's have this inferiority complex. Get over with it. Indian ISRO is capable of undertaking any mission that the US's NASA or Space x is doing. Give them the mandate and funding and they can do it.

Indian moon probe find water , which US can't didn't from many years despite sending probe many time.

 

[FaujHistorian]

sending so many probe to find water in moon, but its space craft that find water in moon.
sends probes to mars , it will now indian probe to find soothing beneficial

name the mission yaar.

your response doesn't make sense. May be we should all invite you for a cup of tea and then hopefully your thoughts will be a bit more coherent.

 

[kbd-raaf]

I am not talking about the development and space achievement aspect. I am talking about the engineering aspect. No US is not light years ahead. We Indian's have this inferiority complex. Get over with it. Indian ISRO is capable of undertaking any mission that the US's NASA or Space x is doing. Give them the mandate and funding and they can do it.

Shhh, you have no idea what you're talking about. There are many private companies in the US who are capable of far more than the ISRO will be, not just SpaceX. The US is so far ahead of the rest of the world in this field that it's not even worth contemplation.

Given the money and human resources, even Somalia can achieve what the US has. If my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle.

 

[nair]

After reading the article.... The summary is, NASA can learn from ISRO how to cut costs or conduct a mission at low cost...... The real question is, Do NASA need to cut the costs??? They have a huge budget to play, unlike ISRO.... Some how i dont agree with OP

If you ask me the real learning of NASA could be, "How tech denial makes an organisation Self sufficient" and we should be grateful to US for giving us that opportunity.

 

[Soumitra]

Disclaimer: No Indo-Pak $hit shoveling please. This is pure tech to tech comparison between NASA and ISSRO. My salute to Bharati efforts in space.



Comparing NASA space program to Indian approach is like comparing thoroughbred to a girly pony.

Does that mean one should dis Indian space tech. Heck no!

OP of this thread is based on very limited knowledge about space programs.

It doesn't account for inventing tech for the first time (instead of copy paste), and paying American wages rather than Indian ruppee to the workers.


So one should learn the tech. Yes.

But comparing dollar figure is plain $tupid. And so is the comparison between missions.

Why.

these missions compliment each other.

NASA has huge expenses and latest robotic tech on mars.

While rest of the world just watches.

Let's be real.

No Trolling but it is nobody's claim that India matches the technology of US. The author says that in the first line itself

What can the US space programme learn from the Indian one? Not much, if the standard is outer-space achievement. India’s modest record mostly includes feats the US accomplished decades ago.

He also clarifies when he says that low cost Indian program is something which NASA cannot and should not have

But the biggest advantage may have been a tolerance for risk that simply wouldn’t fly in the US space programme—which launched its own $671 million Mars probe days after the Indian one.
The Indians, rather than going the traditional route of building multiple models (including a spare) took a direct, go-for-broke route and built the final probe outright, skipping the other expensive, time-consuming (but risk-averting) steps. So far, that seems like a good gamble. But even if the probe fails, the Indians can claim that at least some of their technical goals were accomplished at a relatively cheap price.
Could NASA take similar risks? It would take a big cultural shift in an institution that does things such as building a multi-billion dollar rocket system that has no planned mission except, perhaps, as a jobs programme. Likewise, speeding up development and reducing costs like the Indians may be acceptable for robotic probes, but it’s simply not going to be acceptable for human space missions where lives are at stake.

The comparison that he is making on the clarity of goals and objectives of the Indian Space program which is much better than the NASA program.

Many misunderstand space technology to be for the elite. That it has nothing to do with the common man. I however believe such technology is fundamentally connected with the common man. As a change agent, it can empower and connect, to transform his life.

It drives our modern communication, connecting even the remotest family to the mainstream. It empowers the child in the farthest village with quality education, through long distance learning. It ensures quality healthcare to the most distant person, through tele-medicine. It enables the youth in a small town, with various new job opportunities.

Vikram Sarabhai, the physicist regarded as the patriarch of the space programme, is quoted dismissing the notion that India should compete with rich, developed countries to explore the moon and planets. Rather, the purpose of India’s space programme is “the application of advanced technologies to the real problems of man and society.”

 

[surya kiran]

I think, ISRO and the Dept of Space needs to concentrate on creating a dedicated satellite family, which is optimised for tele-medicine and disaster management and available for use to the Indian sub-continent. I am completely in support of the satellite which should be launched for SAARC and this topic should be the main reason for launch.

The family of satellites should enable, doctors to talk with each other through this dedicated link to remote parts of the sub-continent and ensure proper medication and consultancy is available. This should have on ground centre which is manned by doctors.

Disaster management satellites should also help in co-ordination with Bangladesh, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Malaysia during monsoons.

Let's hope we spend more effort on this and in this decade we are able to achieve co-ordination between SAARC countries, at-least in space for the benefit of all our people.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

name the mission yaar.

your response doesn't make sense. May be we should all invite you for a cup of tea and then hopefully your thoughts will be a bit more coherent.

how many time NASA attempted to find water /ice on Moon ? did they find?

who find the water on moon? its indian moon probe that find the water on moon , got it? or not?

 

[FaujHistorian]

how many time NASA attempted to find water /ice on Moon ? did they find?

who find the water on moon? its indian moon probe that find the water on moon , got it? or not?

Compare all moon missions and review your post.

Water was found from the samples of moon rocks brought back by Apollo missions.

since then many missions are using different techniques to find ice and water on the moon and other planets.

Chandrayaan-1 was a great mission. Even for this mission, data analysis was performed by NASA scientists.

So your statements as quoted above are incorrect.

 

[Koovie]

India is capable to undertake any mission that the USA has done and is planning to do in the future.

Seriously?!

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Compare all moon missions and review your post.

Water was found from the samples of moon rocks brought back by Apollo missions.

since then many missions are using different techniques to find ice and water on the moon and other planets.

Chandrayaan-1 was a great mission. Even for this mission, data analysis was performed by NASA scientists.

So your statements as quoted above are incorrect.

Sorry , no one concluded the proof of water in moon with evidence till Indian mission. Sorry, to say that Indian insutrument (MIP) data was analysis by India itself and NASA to confirm its findings from its instrument MMM which was later confirm 2 months later.

On 24 September 2009 Science magazine reported that the Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3) on Chandrayaan-1 had detected water on the Moon. But, on 25 September 2009, ISRO announced that the MIP, another instrument on board Chandrayaan-1 had discovered water on the moon just before impact and had discovered it 3 months before NASA's M3.[94] The announcement of this discovery was not made until NASA confirmed it.

1. MIP detected water on Moon way back in June: ISRO Chairman - The Hindu
2. Chandrayaan first discovered water on moon, but… | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

 

[FaujHistorian]

Sorry , no one concluded the proof of water in moon with evidence till Indian mission. Sorry, to say that Indian insutrument (MIP) data was analysis by India itself and NASA to confirm its findings from its instrument MMM which was later confirm 2 months later.

On 24 September 2009 Science magazine reported that the Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3) on Chandrayaan-1 had detected water on the Moon. But, on 25 September 2009, ISRO announced that the MIP, another instrument on board Chandrayaan-1 had discovered water on the moon just before impact and had discovered it 3 months before NASA's M3.[94] The announcement of this discovery was not made until NASA confirmed it.

1. MIP detected water on Moon way back in June: ISRO Chairman - The Hindu
2. Chandrayaan first discovered water on moon, but… | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Did you ever check if the discovery was of H2O? or something else?