What Should Be Done With The Current Turkish Tank Force?

[Mike_Brando]

As you all know the Turkish Army operates many older tanks, the first Altay's are expected to be delivered in 2017 but it will still be a while untill a significant number of them are in service. In the mean time the Army has massive amounts of older Leopard 2's, M-60's and M-48's that need to either be upgraded, scraped, or put in storage.

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Left Turkish Leopard 2NG Upgrade(not in service), Right Leopard 2a4 used by the army

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170 Leopard 1's have been upgraded out of the 400 or so in the Inventory (Credit goes to Deno for picture)

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170 M-60's have been upgraded by Israel with some technology transfer to Turkey

(Credit for pictures goes to whoever uploaded them and sees the pictures here)

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Videos about Upgrades

Turkey uses MkII Sabra
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Sir why isn't the Leopard-2NG not in service???I mean it looks way modern than the Leo-2A4 one with a much better armor.

 

[xenon54 out]

Sir why isn't the Leopard-2NG not in service???I mean it looks way modern than the Leo-2A4 one with a much better armor.

Because we scrapped all plans for indigenous tank Altay.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Upgrade the leopard 2s.

Trash the ancient M-48s and older M-60s.

Keep the upgraded Leo 1st and Sabra upgrades as second or third tier tanks.. (Soldier on).

Altay your first tier-work horse!

That's what we have done.

AK-Is (over 440 in service).
T-84UDs (upgraded and placed as second tier). 325 x units.

AZs(400+ x units),Upgraded Type-90IIMs (400?)s Third tier.

Older tanks like Type-85 (although upgraded),T-59s etc are being phrased out.. And probably type-90IIMs as well as..



meanwhile by mid or end of 2015 .. AK-II will start rolling out and equip our front tier and also serve as our work horse...(and we have over 2500+ tanks).

Assad got better tanks in his arsenal....we are talking about relics here.

T-72s and T-55s-59s?

 

[-SINAN-]

Upgrade the leopard 2s.

Trash the ancient M-48s and older M-60s.

Keep the upgraded Leo 1st and Sabra upgrades as second or third tier tanks.. (Soldier on).

Altay your first tier-work horse!

That's what we have done.

AK-Is (over 440 in service).
T-84UDs (upgraded and placed as second tier). 325 x units.

AZs(400+ x units),Upgraded Type-90IIMs (400?)s Third tier.

Older tanks like Type-85 (although upgraded),T-59s etc are being phrased out.. And probably type-90IIMs as well as..



meanwhile by mid or end of 2015 .. AK-II will start rolling out and equip our front tier and also serve as our work horse...(and we have over 2500+ tanks).



T-72s and T-55s-59s?

T-90s

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

T-90s

Nope those are T-72s with old K-1 ERA bricks..

 

[Hakan]

I like how this guy thinks (@Nefer )

Lets be honest the future century will probably be dominated by semi autonomous vehicles so experimenting with drone tanks isn't a bad idea just for research sake.

 

[atatwolf]

I like how this guy thinks (@Nefer )

Lets be honest the future century will probably be dominated by semi autonomous vehicles so experimenting with drone tanks isn't a bad idea just for research sake.

To turn a normal tank into a drone you need to create an andriod which can make same gestures and movements as humans to gear the tank since the tanks we are talking about are created to be used by humans. I don't want to be pessimistic but it will be a very hard job to do the conversation. Such robots doesn't exist. I would be more cost effective and technically possible to start from the bottom up and create an integrated drone tank.

 

[Hakan]

To turn a normal tank into a drone you need to create an andriod which can make same gestures and movements to gear the tank. I don't want to be pessimistic but it will be a very hard job to do the conversation. I would be more cost effective and technically possible to start from the bottom up and create an integrated drone tank.

Its definitely something that needs to be experimented with eventually.

 

[Nefer]

To turn a normal tank into a drone you need to create an andriod which can make same gestures and movements as humans to gear the tank since the tanks we are talking about are created to be used by humans. I don't want to be pessimistic but it will be a very hard job to do the conversation. Such robots doesn't exist. I would be more cost effective and technically possible to start from the bottom up and create an integrated drone tank.

No android, just robot arms and few mechanic stuff, androids would be to expensive, unless you would use cheap dummy's and modify them with robot stuff, since they don't need to stand up you don't need expansive balancing equipment, just make sure they are attached to their seat. With current tech I think the figure to fix a prototype might cost between 15 - 20 k Dollars per tank, this should get cheaper along the way.

 

[Selous]

To turn a normal tank into a drone you need to create an andriod which can make same gestures and movements as humans to gear the tank since the tanks we are talking about are created to be used by humans. I don't want to be pessimistic but it will be a very hard job to do the conversation. Such robots doesn't exist. I would be more cost effective and technically possible to start from the bottom up and create an integrated drone tank.

Nope...just some hydraulics, solenoids, sensors and servos hooked up to a computer should do it.

 

[-SINAN-]

Yeap, lets turn tanks into drones and it will cost us much to keep them in the inventory..although turned it into a drone, you should still keep it running so you should still do it's maintenance.....

And I still fail to see it's purpose in the battlefield ???

 

[Nefer]

Yeap, lets turn tanks into drones and it will cost us much to keep them in the inventory..although turned it into a drone, you should still keep it running so you should still do it's maintenance.....

And I still fail to see it's purpose in the battlefield ???

You can take higher risks without having to worry about crew safety, Operate them in front of the MBT so they can draw the enemy fire on them giving MBT a moderately higher living time in the battefield. Send them into suicide missions where they can cause massive damage with imminent destruction, Draw out hidden enemies because they might get higher losses if the don't take our tank drone down. Urban combat !!!, even though a tank shouldn't be there. Support Infrantie and sacrifice itself for ensuring safe retreat of our troops.

 

[atatwolf]

Nope...just some hydraulics, solenoids, sensors and servos hooked up to a computer should do it.

No, it is not that easy, if it was that easy we would see that kind of systems in civilian cars.

 

[-SINAN-]

You can take higher risks without having to worry about crew safety, Operate them in front of the MBT so they can draw the enemy fire on them giving MBT a moderately higher living time in the battefield. Send them into suicide missions where they can cause massive damage with imminent destruction, Draw out hidden enemies because they might get higher losses if the don't take our tank drone down. Urban combat !!!, even though a tank shouldn't be there. Support Infrantie and sacrifice itself for ensuring safe retreat of our troops.

You don't need a tank for those things...
As i said before ATGMs will tear them apart before they can get any results...

The real problem is maintance, you can turn it into a drone but you still have to do it's maintenance.

 

[Nefer]

No, it is not that easy, if it was that easy we would see that kind of systems in civilian cars.

You don't need a tank for those things...
As i said before ATGMs will tear them apart before they can get any results...
The real problem is maintance, you can turn it into a drone but you still have to do it's maintenance.

That's great ain't it, that will make sure they waste their ammo on drones and 0 casualities. Helps spotting their location so you can take them out, What would you prefer a tulpar taken down or a drone