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What Pisses Me Off About The European Migrant Crisis

None of us can deny what sparked this specific migrant crisis is the destabilisation of the ME that was, largely, created in the wake of the 2003 invasion of Iraq and 2001 invasion of Afghanistan. And many (actually most) of the "coalition" were from Europe. It certainly appears to be a case of chickens coming home to roost or "blowback" by another name.

I find it amusing how the US, who is by far the most culpable, has got away scott free in this context because there is no direct land route from the ME to North America.
Syria, officially the Syrian Arab Republic, is a country in Western Asia. De jure Syrian territory is bordering Lebanon and the Mediterranean Sea to the west, Turkey to the north, Iraq to the east, Jordan to the south, and Israel to the southwest. Since March 2011, Syria has been embroiled in an uprising against Assad and the Ba'athist government as part of the Arab Spring. The ongoing Syrian Civil War was inspired by the Arab Spring revolutions. It began in 2011 as a chain of peaceful protests, followed by a crackdown by the Syrian Army, a crackdown which contributed to the Syrian Civil War and Syria becoming among the least peaceful countries in the world.
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The Arab Spring was a revolutionary wave of demonstrations and protests (both non-violent and violent), riots, and civil wars in the Arab world that began on 17 December 2010 in Tunisia with the Tunisian Revolution, and spread throughout the countries of the Arab League and its surroundings. While the wave of initial revolutions and protests faded by mid-2012, some started to refer to the succeeding and still ongoing large-scale discourse conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa as the Arab Winter. The most radical discourse from Arab Spring into the still ongoing civil wars took place in Syria as early as the second half of 2011.
By the end of February 2012, rulers had been forced from power in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen; civil uprisings had erupted in Bahrain and Syria; major protests had broken out in Algeria, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, and Sudan; and minor protests had occurred in Mauritania, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti, Western Sahara, and Palestine. Weapons and Tuareg fighters returning from the Libyan Civil War stoked a simmering conflict in Mali which has been described as "fallout" from the Arab Spring in North Africa.
The protests shared some techniques of civil resistance in sustained campaigns involving strikes, demonstrations, marches, and rallies, as well as the effective use of social media to organize, communicate, and raise awareness in the face of state attempts at repression and Internet censorship, most notably used by the youth members of the Arab population.
Many Arab Spring demonstrations were met with violent responses from authorities, as well as from pro-government militias and counter-demonstrators. These attacks were answered with violence from protestors in some cases.[26][27][28] A major slogan of the demonstrators in the Arab world is Ash-sha`b yurid isqat an-nizam ("the people want to bring down the regime").
Some observers have drawn comparisons between the Arab Spring movements and the Revolutions of 1989 (also known as the "Autumn of Nations") that swept through Eastern Europe and the Second World, in terms of their scale and significance. Others, however, have pointed out that there are several key differences between the movements, such as the desired outcomes, the effectiveness of civil resistance, and the organizational role of Internet-based technologies in the Arab revolutions
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Yeah right, ALL DUE TO IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.
And nothing due to the people of said nations.

The first protests that occurred in Tunisia on 18 December 2010
With the success of the protests in Tunisia, a wave of unrest struck Algeria, Jordan, Egypt, and Yemen

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Who is friend or foe keeps changing in international geopolitics, of course. Nothing new or strange in that.

I agree but then you shouldn't get all self righteous quote 9/11 attacks for justification of all subsequent US actions however illegal and contrived. When you have been playing the dirty game of International Geo-Politics for so long, don't expect a win at all times.

The poster had correctly said US had gone scott-free for its crime of invading Iraq and meddling in ME post 9/11 without bearing the consequences of Refugee Crisis on it's shore. He was right in his indignation.
 
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What if the plan is to remake the entire region just like after WW1?
Come on sir, let's not rewrite history, the events of 2003 and what followed were not part of some altruistic master plan initiated by George W Bush.

(and I assume you are referring to the Marshall plan after WW2?)
 
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Come on sir, let's not rewrite history, the events of 2003 and what followed were not part of some altruistic master plan initiated by George W Bush.

(and I assume you are referring to the Marshall plan after WW2?)

No Sir, I am talking about the aftermath of the fall of the Ottoman Empire in WW1 which created the present day Middle East. Nothing altruistic in what I am saying, just a recognition of what might need to be done for the region in an expansive way once again.
 
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Participants in Operation Enduring Freedom

The 2013 invasion of Iraq consisted of 21 days of major combat operations, in which a combined force of troops from the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland
Members of the Coalition included
Australia: 2,000 invasion,
[Poland]: 200 invasion—2,500 peak,
Spain: 1,300 invasion
United Kingdom: 46,000 invasion,
United States: 150,000 to 250,000 invasion.
Other members of the coalition were
Afghanistan,
Albania,
Angola,
Azerbaijan,
Bulgaria,
Colombia,
Costa Rica,
the Czech Republic,
Denmark,
Dominican Republic,
El Salvador,
Eritrea,
Estonia,
Ethiopia,
Georgia,
Honduras,
Hungary,
Iceland,
Italy,
Japan,
Kuwait,
Latvia,
Lithuania,
Macedonia,
Marshall Islands,
Micronesia,
Mongolia,
the Netherlands,
Nicaragua,
Palau,
Panama,
the Philippines,
Portugal,
Romania,
Rwanda,
Singapore,
Slovakia,
Solomon Islands,
South Korea,
Tonga,
Turkey,
Uganda,
Ukraine, and
Uzbekistan.
At least 15 other countries participated covertly.
 
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I agree but then you shouldn't get all self righteous quote 9/11 attacks for justification of all subsequent US actions however illegal and contrived. When you have been playing the dirty game of International Geo-Politics for so long, don't expect a win at all times.

The poster had correctly said US had gone scott-free for its crime of invading Iraq and meddling in ME post 9/11 without bearing the consequences of Refugee Crisis on it's shore. He was right in his indignation.

You win some, you lose some. The great game goes on.
 
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Yeah right, ALL DUE TO IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.
And nothing due to the people of said nations.

The first protests that occurred in Tunisia on 18 December 2010
With the success of the protests in Tunisia, a wave of unrest struck Algeria, Jordan, Egypt, and Yemen
Of course all these above nations are culpable in their own way but the catalyst was 2003 (Afghanistan not so much but it played a part), it created a destabilised region that others exploited and made worse. Prior to 2003, the region was hardly safe or prosperous but it was in a state of fine balance with opposing counterweights, the vacuum created post-2003 compounded and compounded and what we see today is the result.
 
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The first protests that occurred in Tunisia on 18 December 2010
With the success of the protests in Tunisia, a wave of unrest struck Algeria, Jordan, Egypt, and Yemen

Protests happen every where. Police kills people every where. Even in United States.

But in Libya NATO started giving Air cover and flew air support missions to empower alqadia.

In Syria, NATO started to support "moderate" rebels aka ISIS who are mostly British and French citizens.

In Afghanistan, NATO supported Mujahedin to fight USSR.

In Somalia NATO supported warlords to bring down the communist government of Somalia. After the fall of the Somali communist government, Somalia was left to be run by war lords.

etc etc etc.

Your criticism would have been valid, if NATO was not going around empowering Wahabi extremists and providing Air Support to alqaida and Isis in addition to protecting the tyrants in Saudi Arabia who breed Wahabi extremism for global export.
 
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Oh, we already did once, along with Pakistan. Millions of Afghans. Now it is the turn of Europe.

You mess up other countries. You will own the mess. Europe has been destroying states. It was Europe that destroyed Libya. Iran is just fighting the Europe supported Isis. The same Isis whose ranks are filled with French and British citizens.
How iran treats afghan refugees

 
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How iran treats afghan refugees


Ethical responsibility of millions of Afghan refugees who took refuge in Iran for 35 years belonged to US not Iran. It was US that ruined Afghanistan.

Iran did whatever it could despite being under sanctions and despite being in war against US and French supported Saddam.
 
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The UNHCR says 97% of the refugees are hosted by countries in the surrounding region - primarily Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, Iraq and Egypt - that are carrying an “overwhelming burden.”

HOW MANY TO YOUR OWN COUNTRIES?

September 2013

Russia and China deserve particular condemnation, not just for their substantial military, economic and political support for the brutal Syrian regime, but also for their pitiful contributions to the UNHCR: just $10m and $1m, respectively.
That is no typo - two of the countries most directly involved in the conflict, with a combined population of 1.5 billion, have given just $11m in relief for the massive suffering they are contributing to, while constantly saying they have the Syrian people’s best interests at heart.

“none” of the G20 countries - representing 19 major national economies plus the EU - “have done all they could to help save Syrian lives, and it’s high time they did,” added Peggy Hicks, HRW’s global advocacy director. “There are no innocent bystanders to the Syrian conflict.”
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...The-world-has-abandoned-Syria-s-refugees.html
 
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