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What our textbooks don't tell us: Why the Rajputs failed miserably in battle for centuries

Tipu is most hated in Kerala and Karnataka...if he was half the liberal you described he would have been a hero...why wasn't Akbar hated even if he didn't do much for hindus? There won't be smoke without fire..atrocities committed by tipu are being told to even this day by Hindus of Kerala.
 
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Well if they are just Gujjars, then they might be related to Pashtuns, who are thought to be descended from white huns.
The purer Gujjars of UP look more Pashtun than those urdu speaking Pathans:

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The Gujjars of Punjab appear to have lost their distinct look. It's impossible to distinguish Gujjars from Jatts in Punjab, and sometimes even mussalis(converted dalits). Shoaib Akhtar looks like one to me.

These photos are nomadic gujjars of Kashmir, they speak gojri. Nomadic gujjars don't look like indics in punjab like rajputs, jatts, awans, arains etc though akhtar is just dark skinned like Nisar and mussalis have some veddid. From crickters, akmals, kohli, muhammad amir etc have mussali look even if some of them are relatively fair compared to actor.

Indic settled gujjars in punjab

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Here this guy in right, seem to be veddid influenced.
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indic settled gujjars in KPK/hazara division

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While gojri speaking gujjars in Afghanistan look like this, basically like nomadic gujjars of Kashmir and not exatcly like indic gujjars on average. They actually look psudo pashtuns.

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What our textbooks don't tell us: Why the Rajputs failed miserably in battle for centuries
Girish Shahane · Today · 09:00 am
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They were defeated by Ghazni, Ghuri, Khilji, Babur, Akbar, the Marathas and the British.
The home minister, Rajnath Singh, wishes our school textbooks told us more about the Rajput king Rana Pratap, and less about the Mughal emperor Akbar. I, on the other hand, wish they explained why Rajputs fared so miserably on the battlefield.

A thousand years ago, Rajput kings ruled much of North India. Then they lost to Ghazni, lost to Ghuri, lost to Khilji, lost to Babur, lost to Akbar, lost to the Marathas, and keeled over before the British. The Marathas and Brits hardly count since the Rajputs were a spent force by the time Akbar was done with them. Having been confined to an arid part of the subcontinent by the early Sultans, they were reduced to vassals by the Mughals.

The three most famous Rajput heroes not only took a beating in crucial engagements, but also retreated from the field of battle. Prithviraj Chauhan was captured while bolting and executed after the second battle of Tarain in 1192 CE, while Rana Sanga got away after losing to Babur at Khanua in 1527, as did Rana Pratap after the battle of Haldighati in 1576. To compensate for, or explain away, these debacles, the bards of Rajputana replacedhistory with legend.

Specialists in failure

It is worth asking, surely, what made Rajputs such specialists in failure. Yet, the question hardly ever comes up. When it does, the usual explanation is that the Rajputs faced Muslim invaders whose fanaticism was their strength. Nothing could be further than the truth. Muslim rulers did use the language of faith to energise their troops, but commitment is only the first step to victory. The Rajputs themselves never lacked commitment, and their courage invariably drew the praise of their enemies. Even a historian as fundamentalist as Badayuni rhapsodised about Rajput valour. Babur wrote that his troops were unnerved, ahead of the Khanua engagement, by the reputed fierceness of Rana Sanga’s forces, their willingness to fight to the death.

Let’s cancel out courage and fanaticism as explanations, then, for each side displayed these in equal measure. What remains is discipline, technical and technological prowess, and tactical acumen. In each of these departments, the Rajputs were found wanting. Their opponents, usually Turkic, used a complex battle plan involving up to five different divisions. Fleet, mounted archers would harry opponents at the start, and often make a strategic retreat, inducing their enemy to charge into an ambush. Behind these stood the central division and two flanks. While the centre absorbed the brunt of the enemy’s thrust, the flanks would wheel around to surround and hem in opponents. Finally, there was a reserve that could be pressed into action wherever necessary. Communication channels between divisions were quick and answered to a clear hierarchy that was based largely on merit.

Contrast this with the Rajput system, which was simple, predictable, and profoundly foolish, consisting of a headlong attack with no Plan B. In campaigns against forces that had come through the Khyber Pass, Rajputs usually had a massive numerical advantage. Prithviraj’s troops outnumbered Ghuri’s at the second battle of Tarain by perhaps three to one. At Khanua, Rana Sanga commanded at least four soldiers for every one available to Babur. Unlike Sanga’s forces, though, Babur’s were hardy veterans. After defeating Ibrahim Lodi at Panipat, the founder of the Mughal dynasty had the option of using the generals he inherited from the Delhi Sultan, but preferred to stick with soldiers he trusted. He knew numbers are meaningless except when acting on a coherent strategy under a unified command. Rajput troops rarely answered to one leader, because each member of the confederacy would have his own prestige and ego to uphold. Caste considerations made meritocracy impossible. The enemy general might be a freed Abyssinian slave, but Rajput leadership was decided by clan membership.

Absent meritocratic promotion, an established chain of command, a good communication system, and a contingency plan, Rajput forces were regularly taken apart by the opposition’s mobile cavalry. Occasionally, as with the composite bows and light armour of Ghuri’s horsemen, or the matchlocks employed by Babur, technological advances played a role in the outcome.

Ossified tactics

What’s astonishing is that centuries of being out-thought and out-manoeuvred had no impact on the Rajput approach to war. Rana Pratap used precisely the same full frontal attack at Haldighati in 1576 that had failed so often before. Haldighati was a minor clash by the standards of Tarain and Khanua. Pratap was at the head of perhaps 3,000 men and faced about 5,000 Mughal troops. The encounter was far from the Hindu Rajput versus Muslim confrontation it is often made out to be. Rana Pratap had on his side a force of Bhil archers, as well as the assistance of Hakim Shah of the Sur clan, which had ruled North India before Akbar’s rise to power. Man Singh, a Rajput who had accepted Akbar’s suzerainty and adopted the Turko-Mongol battle plan led the Mughal troops. Though Pratap’s continued rebellion following his defeat at Haldighati was admirable in many ways, he was never anything more than an annoyance to the Mughal army. That he is now placed, in the minds of many Indians, on par with Akbar or on a higher plane says much about the twisted communal politics of the subcontinent.

There’s one other factor that is thought to have contributed substantially to Rajput defeats: the opium habit. Taking opium was established practice among Rajputs in any case, but they considerably upped the quantity they consumed when going into battle. Several ended up in no fit state to process any instruction beyond, “kill or be killed”. Opium rendered some soldiers incapable of coordinating complex manoeuvres. There’s an apt warning for school kids: don’t do drugs, or you’ll squander an empire.
They also lost to Sher Shah Suri. Add that to the list.
 
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Hinduism doesnt believe in conversion as "one must be born hindu".
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Misunderstood again!
I did say there were indigenous tribes Rathors,chandelas and Bundelas.



I posting a link from academia.edu where only published and proven articles are published
White Huns in Gandhara: An Overview (Corrected) | Muhammad B Naveed - Academia.edu

You can choose to ignore this too if you want but I have proven my point beyond doubt. Thank you!

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@anonymus I wanted you to take a look at this

Really? I think ancient kashtriya from punjab theory make more sense, when it comes to rajputs of rajasthan, up/bihar etc. I doubt about Huna theory.

Edit: I just read your link, even they are not sure who are current day decendents of hunas. Durrani tribe of pashtuns are also believed to be their descendents but no one is 100% sure. All are theory at the moment without hard evidence.

The Rajputs were a class apart from those Central Asian barbarians.They had a code of honor which they followed till death.They used to take pride in their code of honor and would rather die than breaking them.They never hurt innocent people,they never killed children,elderly and never took the enemy's womenfolk as war trophies.They were practically the Knights of Dharmic India.What i particularly like about them is their concept of "Vijay or Veergati" while going to a war.Man they were the true gentlemen of their time:tup:.

But according to some rajputs are hunas who are central asians, :) lmao.
 
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Yes. We have so many of such sad incidents associated with our history. Had the result of Panipat been in the line of 22 victories of hemu. We would have been an another state. I will only say that goddess of luck was not in our favor.
Hemu was army-chief of Adil Shah Suri, his soldiers were Afghans and his 22 battles were against other Suri chiefs who had declared themselves Kings, i.e he nominally fought for Afghans , but underneath he was a sincere to his Hindu cause. He was ambitious baniya but without backing of Rajputs, he was in no position to convince the Afghan soldiers of his king Adil Shah to fight for Hindu cause.

Adil Shah was a very degenerated man with vile habits, a drunken man who killed his own 12 year old nephew emperor, dragged him from his sister and slit his throat and sat himself on throne. Adil Shah's mother was Hindu slave woman and this is the same man who tried to forcefully marry a lady of Sumbhal Niazi Pashtuns which led to the massacre of entire tribe, embarrassing his uncle Sher Shah Suri. Son of Sher Shah Suri , Salim also condemned hims to death but pardoned him on plea of his sister. Hemu was 'littlefinger' of game of thrones, but like 'varys' he used to whisper in the ear of Adil Shah, poisoning his ears. Some even alleged that Hemu and Adil had homosexual relationship.

The other Suri lords rose in rebellion against this event of kin slaying, four of them declared themselves Kings. Adil shah had immersed himself in pleasures, while his Hemu fought against other claimants of throne. It is highly possible that Hemu alone might be responsible for start of civil war among Afghans through Adil Shah.

Abul Fazl says, "Outwardly he had neither rank (hasab) nor race (nasab), nor beauty of form (Surat), nor noble qualities (Sairat) .... He (God) sent one worse than themselves to chastise the wicked of the age. In short, that evil-looking one of puny form.............................. by means of astuteness (and).... masterpieces of feline trickery.... made himself known to Salim Khan by evil-speaking and business capacity.
 
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There 're indeed 2 types of Rajputs
1)The leaders and nobles from sveta huns( Hephthalites) assimilated into the Kshatriya clan of hindu varna system through conversion. Since hindus dont believe in conversion (a hindu is born hindu by birth) thus came about the AGNIKUL theory. @anonymus I hope I'm not wrong.
2) There were also some indigenous tribes like the Rathors,chandelas and Bundelas.
many Hindu kings or leaders who ever won a war called himself a decedent of a rajput clan, rajputs are famous for valour as an individual person not as a group, the RATHORES are none other than the southern RATTODU(telugu) which means muscle men who were the chieftains of the RASTRAKOOTAS(united kingdoms) reddys are the decendants of rattodus of south central india and rastrakootas ruled from narmadha to godhavari, like these, many kings and chieftains identified themselves with rajputs.
 
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Abdali was supported by the britishers, covertly, because Britishers were the ones who invited him through Waliullah Shah.

Marathas were successful because they were supported by britishers and Nizam of Hyderabad, to uproot tipu, and Aurangzeb.
You need to properly read history, East India company even formed alliance with Awadh, Jats of Bharatpur and Marathas in 1767 to deal with next possible invasion of Abdali but alliance crumbled as Marathas backed out when Abdali arrived in Punjab. Abdali issued threats to Marathas to not harass his allies of Rajputana and then he returned back. Dr.Gandha Singh's book has entire chapter on activities of East India company against Abdali (Abdali supported the rebel Mir Qasim). The allies of Abdali in India, the Rohilla chieftancies , were annihilated by East India company force to the point of genocide in 1774. The second Rohilla war against British by Rampur was in anticipation of Afghan invasion of India by Shah Zaman, British mobilized largest number of forces to deal with grandson of Abdali.

Also rulers needed some religious ''surprasti" but Abdali didnt need to be convinced through a letter from Shah Waliullah to arrive in India, he was launching attacks on India since 1747. Najib-ud-daula was mureed of Shah Waliullah. And it was actually Najib who was inviting Abdali for help. Najib was driven from Delhi court by Amad ul malik through Marathas.
 
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Wrong

Nadir Shah invaded India in 1738

The Marathas had rendered Mughals ineffective AFTER 1707
ie after the 27 year war Mughals had been decimated

Nadir Shah invaded because Delhi was still a rich city but without proper
military and government

Do tell more about the 27 year war
 
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Really? I think ancient kashtriya from punjab theory make more sense, when it comes to rajputs of rajasthan, up/bihar etc. I doubt about Huna theory.

Edit: I just read your link, even they are not sure who are current day decendents of hunas. Durrani tribe of pashtuns are also believed to be their descendents but no one is 100% sure. All are theory at the moment without hard evidence.
But according to some rajputs are hunas who are central asians, :) lmao.
You still dont understand do you???
Read my post again
There 're indeed 2 types of Rajputs
1)The leaders and nobles from sveta huns( Hephthalites) assimilated into the Kshatriya clan of hindu varna system through conversion. Since hindus dont believe in conversion (a hindu is born hindu by birth) thus came about the AGNIKUL theory. @@anonymus I hope I'm not wrong.
2) There were also some indigenous tribes like the Rathors,chandelas and Bundelas.

I hope you understand the meaning of indigenous. :rolleyes:
 
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These photos are nomadic gujjars of Kashmir, they speak gojri. Nomadic gujjars don't look like indics in punjab like rajputs, jatts, awans, arains etc though akhtar is just dark skinned like Nisar and mussalis have some veddid. From crickters, akmals, kohli, muhammad amir etc have mussali look even if some of them are relatively fair compared to actor.

Indic settled gujjars in punjab

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Here this guy in right, seem to be veddid influenced.
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indic settled gujjars in KPK/hazara division

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While gojri speaking gujjars in Afghanistan look like this, basically like nomadic gujjars of Kashmir and not exatcly like indic gujjars on average. They actually look psudo pashtuns.

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They aren't Kashmiri Gujjars. They are Vaan gujjars from the hills of UP. Kashmiri Gujjars do not wear dhotis like them. And Gujjars are indic by default as they speak an Indo-Aryan language(Gojri). Even the ones from Mansehra and Swat speak Gojri.
 
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You need to properly read history, East India company even formed alliance with Awadh, Jats of Bharatpur and Marathas in 1767 to deal with next possible invasion of Abdali but alliance crumbled as Marathas backed out when Abdali arrived in Punjab. Abdali issued threats to Marathas to not harass his allies of Rajputana and then he returned back. Dr.Gandha Singh's book has entire chapter on activities of East India company against Abdali (Abdali supported the rebel Mir Qasim). The allies of Abdali in India, the Rohilla chieftancies , were annihilated by East India company force to the point of genocide in 1774. The second Rohilla war against British by Rampur was in anticipation of Afghan invasion of India by Shah Zaman, British mobilized largest number of forces to deal with grandson of Abdali.

Also rulers needed some religious ''surprasti" but Abdali didnt need to be convinced through a letter from Shah Waliullah to arrive in India, he was launching attacks on India since 1747. Najib-ud-daula was mureed of Shah Waliullah. And it was actually Najib who was inviting Abdali for help. Najib was driven from Delhi court by Amad ul malik through Marathas.

East India company had alliance with every one as per the requirement. When they wanted Hindu empires to be weakened they supported Mughals and Afghan Muslim empires. Later they supported Rajputs and Marathas against Mughals.
 
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They aren't Kashmiri Gujjars. They are Vaan gujjars from the hills of UP. Kashmiri Gujjars do not wear dhotis like them. And Gujjars are indic by default as they speak an Indo-Aryan language(Gojri). Even the ones from Mansehra and Swat speak Gojri.

These are van gujjars who are still nomadic group who moved from Kashmir. And I agree they are indic in that sense.
 
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You still dont understand do you???
Read my post again
There 're indeed 2 types of Rajputs
1)The leaders and nobles from sveta huns( Hephthalites) assimilated into the Kshatriya clan of hindu varna system through conversion. Since hindus dont believe in conversion (a hindu is born hindu by birth) thus came about the AGNIKUL theory. @@anonymus I hope I'm not wrong.
2) There were also some indigenous tribes like the Rathors,chandelas and Bundelas.

I hope you understand the meaning of indigenous. :rolleyes:

Ok now I understand, so few ruler class was hunas? So Indian rajputs are not exatcly hunas decendents and 99% are locals. Make more sense now. Thanks for explaining.
 
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Maharaja Sir Pratap Singh of Orchha
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Rajput Origins
The term Rajputra first emerged as a title used by some of the rulers referring to their royal ancestors. The term was first used at the time of Harshavardhana and later by the Sena king Vijayasena, a Chahamana Chauhan officer named Jojal and by certain descendants of the Shahi clan of Kashmir. The term was used in inscriptions for the crown princes of the Kalachuri dynasty and by dynasties in Orissa, Bengal and Assam.

Any speculations as to the origins of the Rajputs has to be presaged with the caveat that in general, no single origin-theory can be held to be authoritative. The traditional occupations of the Rajput are war and agriculture. Many scholars have pointed out that these areas lend themselves uniquely to the ingress of groups that were not formerly affiliated with those professions. The gradual accommodation of the new entrants into the social and family circle of the traditional community is the essential quid pro quo of the sanskritization that the aspirant community essays. This phenomenon of gradual inclusion has indubitably obtained in the case of the Rajputs.
The Agni-kunda Legend
The Agni-kunda legend is the best-known traditional account that deals with the origin of the rajput Rajputs. This account begins with the puranic legend wherein the traditional kshatriya Kshatriyas of the land were exterminated by Parashurama, an avatara of Vishnu. Later, sage Vasishta performed a great Yagya or fire-sacrifice, to seek from the gods a provision for the defense of righteousness on earth. In answer to his prayer, one or more youths arose from the very flames of the sacrificial fire, according to different versions of the legend.

Sometime during 16-17th century, the legend came to be applied to the Pratiharas , Chauhans , Solankis , and Paramaras , Rahevars clans. The Gurjara-Pratiharas established the first royal Rajput kingdom in Marwar in southwestern Rajasthan in the 6th century 6th century, the Chauhans at Ajmer in central Rajasthan, the Solankis in Gujarat , and the Paramaras at Mount Abu. Evolution of the legendA large number of inscriptions and texts have come to light since the mid-19th century 19th century that allow us to trace the evolution of this legend in detail.

The Agnikunda story is first found in the Nava-sahasanka-charita by Padmagupta, a fictional romance where the hero is identifiable as Sindhuraja, the patron of the author Padmagupta. This work mentions that the progenitor of the Paramaras was created from fire by sage Vashishtha. During the period of decline of the Paramaras of Dhar, the story finds mention in several royal inscriptions. Later, the story is expanded to include two or three other Rajput clans. Eventually, some scholars proposed that all of the Rajputs were created from the Agnikunda.

Early Paramara Chronology
949 AD: First known Paramara copperplate Harsola copperplate. Mentions Paramara Siyaka as a feudatory of Rashtrakuta Akalavarsha. It mentions the Paramaras as being of the same clan ' as the Rashtrakutas.
975, 986 AD: Vakpati Munja assumes Rashtrakuta name Amoghavarsha and titles Srivallabha and Prathvivallabha, indicating that he regarded himself as being a succesor of the Rashtrakutas of Manyakheta.

Thus, there is no mention of the Agnikunda legend in the early records; the Paramaras appear as a branch of Rashtrakutas, as proposed by D.C. Ganguli.

Chronology:
Gradual Evolution of the Myth

  • 1005 AD: Padmagupta writes the fictional Navasahasanka-charita during the rule of the Parmar king Sindhuraj of Dhara. This is the first mention of the legend wherein the first Paramara is created from an Agnikinda by Vashista.
  • 1000-1055 AD: Bhoja Bhoja no mention of Agnikunda in his copperplates or inscriptions.
  • 1042 AD: Vasantgarh inscription mentiones Paramara origin from Agnikunda.
  • 1070-1093 AD: Udayaditya, Udayapur prashasti mentions Paramara origin from Agnikunda.
  • uncertain date: The Prathviraj Raso is composed, the oldest copies of which do not mention the Agnikunda legend. It is attributed to poet Chand who lived during the rule of Prithviraj Chauhan Prithviraj III , however the language of available manuscripts appears to be much more recent.Ain-i-Akbari by Abul Fazl mentions creation of a Dhanji from an Agnikunda, somewhere in the Deccan Deccan Plateau, to fight Buddhism Buddhism. That fire-born warrior goes to Malava and establishes his rule. When Puraraj, fifth in line from him, dies childless, a Paramara is selected to succeed him.
  • 16th-17th century: Agnikunda legend inserted into the Prithviraj Raso, where three clans, Pratihar, Chalukya and Panwar, are mentions as having been created from the Agnikunda. The legend is not present in the Udaipur manuscript of 1585 CE.
  • Uncertain date: Agnikunda legend in Bhavishya Purana. It mentions four clans: Paramara, Chauhan, Chalukya and Parihara, as having been created from fire to annihilate the Buddhists during the time of Ashoka.
  • 1832 AD: James Tod presents his theory that the Agnikunda legend symbolizes the elevation of Sakas Indo-Scythians, etc. to the status of being Kshattriyas; by implication, all the Rajaputs are descendants of central Asian invaders.
  • 1954 AD: Tod's view is repeated by A. L. Basham in his "The wonder that was India". By now, the view becomes accepted.
Rastrakuta origin
Parmar
There are three schools of thought about the origin of the Paramara clan. The most widely accepted school of thought is that the Paramaras – along with the Chauhans, the Pratiharas (Parihars) and the Solankis (Chalukyas) – were one of the four Agni kula ("fire-born") clans of the Rajputs. In a second school of thought, the Parmar clan is said to have been a tribe of central India that rose to political prominence as the feudatory of the Rashtrakutas. In a third school of thought, the Parmar clan is said to have originally been an inseparable part of the Rashtrakutas, which later branched out from the Rashtrakutas (Rathore)and declared themselves to be a distinct Rajput clan.

Rathore (earlier known as Rastrakutas)
At Hathundi, in what was formerly the princely state of Jodhpur , 10th century inscriptions have been found mentioning kings Harivarma, Vidagdha, Mammata, Dhavala and Balaprasada, all of the Rashtrakuta dynasty. This is not in fact surprising, since the Rashtrakutas held sway over Marwar in that era. However, as we have seen above, the Rathores first emerge in Rajasthan shortly after that same era; therefore, Rathores are offshoots of Rashtrakutas.


Chalukya Origin
Solanki
The Solanki (from Chalukya, an ancient Indian dynasty) are a Hindu clan who ruled parts of western and central India between the 10th and 13th centuries AD. The Solanki are a branch of the Chalukya dynasty of whose oldest known area of residence was in present-day Karnataka. The Solanki clan-name is found within the Rajput and Gurjar communities. The Chalukya gave raise to following clans Shakha- Baghel, Chalke, Ingale, Pisal, Rannavre, Dubal, Mahale and of Solanki: Salunke, Pandhare, Patankar, Patole, Shevale, Babar, Padwal, Magar, Randheer, Ranpise, Sonvane, Gunjal, Lahane, Vyavhare, Navale, Londhe

Kalachuri Origin
Kalachuris ruled North Maharastra during 6th century AD , Pulikesin defeated them and made them feudataries of Chalukyan Empire. After the death of Harshavardhan vinayaditya defeated the successor to Harsha and annexed his kingdom , kalachuries were given charge of vindyas and north of Vindyas. They had martial relationships with other kannada dyansties like Rastrakuta, Chalukya, Solankis , Sena, Malla and pala dynasties. Ruling from the centre of India they are one of the major contributors to Rajput Clan.

Conclusion
The Rajputs did not originate as a tribe or a single community. They emerge from history as a collection of clans ruling different regions. The term Rajput as it is used today refers to the set of intermarrying royal clans mostly with karnata roots. Two lists of 36 clans are found in Kumarpala Charita and the Prithviraj Raso, apparently compiled in the Gujarat/Rajasthan region with its own historical claim to aristocratic Gurjara or Gujjar titles. But as History shows the Rajput are of Kannada origin to start with with Rastrakuta, Chalukya background, when they ruled Rajasthan, Gujarat and North India.
 
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