What our textbooks don't tell us: Why the Rajputs failed miserably in battle for centuries

[nik141991]

Rajputs were people of unparallel bravery but they followed the values of Mahabharat. Prithviraj set Mohammad gori free as he apologized. They had high ego and low unity. However we should give them credit for fighting very bravely. They loose but they inflicted a terror and fear in enemy's heart. Had they not fought so bravely, we would have suffered a lot more than we did. We must say thanks to Rajputs.

That's a fake story prithvi didn't freed ghori as he never captured him, after receiving defeat at the first battle he fleed in a horse with the help of his slave who later founded slave dynasty in india

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The Marathas routed the enemy across India.

That was LATER when they could have lakhs of soldiers

But during the most crucial periods ie during Shivaji and later in the 27 year war
it was the Guerrilla tactics that brought success

And it was the correct and right tactic given the TERRAIN

In plains of North you have to fight in the open

 

[doppelganger]

That was LATER when they could have lakhs of soldiers

But during the most crucial periods ie during Shivaji and later in the 27 year war
it was the Guerrilla tactics that brought success

And it was the correct and right tactic given the TERRAIN

In plains of North you have to fight in the open

A soldier uses the terrain to his advantage.

We were defeated not by terrain but by technology.

 

[Ajai Ghale]

They were brave no doubt but they never stayed united fought among themselves on Clan basis,Marathas and Sikhs remained a coherent force during their Glory thus they succeed defeating the Mughals,Nizam,Tipu,Pakhtoons,Rajputs and sometime even the British.

 

[nik141991]

@anonymus your presence is needed here ,people are making so much wrong assumptions

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The simple truth is UNITED we stand ; divided we fall

That is what we can learn from our history

 

[doppelganger]

@Stephen Cohen

Why do you think the Viets took on the Americans so successfully. Or the Chinese?

Why do you think the Afghans are undefeatable on their soil even by great powers?

Any soldier will tell you that these "which army strongest" Internet websites and ranking are BS.

It all depends on the theater and the objective.

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

fighting with each other was the cause and it is not just limited to Rajputs but also Lodhis and Mughals.

Lodhi was killed by babur, fall of delhi sultanat
Babur was attacked by Rana Sanga and Daulat Khan, Mehmud Lodhi
Tipu was killed by British , marathas and Nizam of Hyderabad.

Mughals took help from Britishers to attack on Sikhs

later Sikhs took Help from Britishers to attack Garhwalis and Gurkhas

Marathas took help from Nizam of hayderabad to conquer Aurangzeb and their general was a Muslim.

Going few thousand years back

Chanakya before dying told Asoka to kill his all cousins , why? Because they were half greek. Hence India would have fallen in the hands of greek influence, so Asoka killed his 100 cousins.



This is power play. Nothing else.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Stephen Cohen

Why do you think the Viets took on the Americans so successfully. Or the Chinese?

Why do you think the Afghans are undefeatable on their soil even by great powers?

Any soldier will tell you that these "which army strongest" Internet websites and ranking are BS.

It all depends on the theater and the objective.

Well in the modern scenario you need Boots on the ground ; the more the better

The AK 47 and the RPG are the great levellers of the modern battlefield

 

[nik141991]

They were brave no doubt but they never stayed united fought among themselves on Clan basis,Marathas and Sikhs remained a coherent force during their Glory thus they succeed defeating the Mughals,Nizam,Tipu,Pakhtoons,Rajputs and sometime even the British.

Maratha strength was their light cavalry, but if you ask me it might have been impossible for Maratha to defeat mughal completely if nadir shah have not invaded India

 

[Stephen Cohen]

but if you ask me it might have been impossible for Martha to defeat mughal completely if nadir shah have not invaded India

Wrong

Nadir Shah invaded India in 1738

The Marathas had rendered Mughals ineffective AFTER 1707
ie after the 27 year war Mughals had been decimated

Nadir Shah invaded because Delhi was still a rich city but without proper
military and government

 

[Zhukov]

Rajputs were people of unparallel bravery but they followed the values of Mahabharat. Prithviraj set Mohammad gori free as he apologized. They had high ego and low unity. However we should give them credit for fighting very bravely. They loose but they inflicted a terror and fear in enemy's heart. Had they not fought so bravely, we would have suffered a lot more than we did. We must say thanks to Rajputs.

Chalo G.You suffered?
Mughal India Under emperor Akbar was the most rich and Multi culturally diverse Country of the world.
Baharhaal whatever makes you happy

 

[doppelganger]

Well in the modern scenario you need Boots on the ground ; the more the better

The AK 47 and the RPG are the great levellers of the modern battlefield

An enemy which blends into the local populace can never be defeated.

They can be occupied, on the run, hidden, but they will always be there. Waiting for you to turn your back. Or leave.

 

[Mike_Brando]

@doppelganger

Marathas succeeded Also because of the TERRAIN ; ie mountainous terrain
ie in addition to other factors such as UNITY and giving top priority to survival
living to fight another day

The terrain allowed Guerrilla warfare

The PLAINS of Northern India did not allow such tactics

You know,the exact reason why we suffered losses and utter humiliation in the hands of the Central Asian barbarians was casteism in the Indian society and the lack of unity among the Dharmic rulers to a certain extent.Cateism was the primary cause which led to our downfall.It made the Khatriyas or Rajputs responsible for the defense of this country and prohibited other castes to pick up arms even during the time of foreign invasions.Rajputs were brave but they were always inferiors in numbers and hence lost most of the battles.Number was itself a huge factor in those days.If common people were allowed to join the armies during that period then the outcome would have been totally different.
The Marathas were successful only because they chose to ignore the rules laid by casteim and instead allowed everyone to join the army irrespective of their castes.Hence,despite having a small population at that period they were able to field large armies against the Islamic invaders.The only time when they suffered a major defeat it was luck that played a major role in favor of Ahmed Shah Abdali at the 3rd battle of Panipat,otherwise they would have definitely shown Mr.Abdali his real place in this world.
Marathas were the pioneers of guerilla warfare in India,they showed the rest of us that numbers didn't matter if we played by our strength and choose to engage our enemies on our terms

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

You know,the exact reason why we suffered losses and utter humiliation in the hands of the Central Asian barbarians was casteism in the Indian society and the lack of unity among the Dharmic rulers to a certain extent.Cateism was the primary cause which led to our downfall.It made the Khatriyas or Rajputs responsible for the defense of this country and prohibited other castes to pick up arms even during the time of foreign invasions.Rajputs were brave but they were always inferiors in numbers and hence lost most of the battles.Number was itself a huge factor in those days.If common people were allowed to join the armies during that period then the outcome would have been totally different.
The Marathas were successful only because they chose to ignore the rules laid by casteim and instead allowed everyone to join the army irrespective of their castes.Hence,despite having a small population at that period they were able to field large armies against the Islamic invaders.The only time when they suffered a major defeat it was luck that played a major role in favor of Ahmed Shah Abdali at the 3rd battle of Panipat,otherwise they would have definitely shown Mr.Abdali his real place in this world.
Marathas were the pioneers of guerilla warfare in India,they showed the rest of us that numbers didn't matter if we played by our strength and choose to engage our enemies on our terms

Abdali was supported by the britishers, covertly, because Britishers were the ones who invited him through Waliullah Shah.

Marathas were successful because they were supported by britishers and Nizam of Hyderabad, to uproot tipu, and Aurangzeb.