What is your idea about the possibility of secularism in Iran?

[kollang]

We're allowed to do this. We even have special areas set aside called "speaker's corner" where people can get up and vent.

In Israel we can do the same.

You do not have a democracy.

first of all, i admit here is no democracy.but hopefully the regime is changing slowly itself.just compare these days with the first years after the revolution.

but anyway we have also big deserts and jungles called "speaker corner" where people can get up and vent...

 

[Homajon]

There will be no secular state in Iran. Over many years, people of Iran have made this clear.

Here are a couple of surveys of Iranian public opinion from the US-based University of Marylands "World Public Opinion"-Insitute:


Iranians: Do They Say They Want a Revolution? - World Public Opinion


Iranian Public Opinion on Governance, Nuclear Weapons and Relations with the United States - World Public Opinion


Iranians Favor Diplomatic Relations With US But Have Little Trust in Obama - World Public Opinion


Analysis of Multiple Polls Finds Little Evidence Iranian Public Sees Government as Illegitimate - World Public Opinion


http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb10/IranianPublic_Feb10_rpt.pdf



And also the US-based Stimson Center and the Germany-based Heinrich Böll Stiftung had a very informative discussion:



Understanding Iranian Public Opinion

In the midst of bombastic rhetoric exchanged among Iran, Israel, and Western states over the nuclear issue, Iranian public opinion is often lost in the discussion. Where do the Iranian people stand? Iranian public opinion is seldom heard on topics such as the nuclear program, international sanctions, and a potential military strike.

Please join Heinrich Böll Stiftung North America and Stimson for a discussion of Iranian public opinion. Drawing on polls from numerous sources, including recent surveys conducted inside Iran, as well as polls conducted by calling into Iran, the speakers will analyze Iranian attitudes on the country's nuclear program, nuclear weapons, international sanctions, and a potential military strike. The discussion will also focus on how sanctions and military threats have shaped Iranian opinion toward their own government and the West.

Understanding Iranian Public Opinion | Events | The Stimson Center | Pragmatic Steps for Global Security


Polls: Iranian Public Supports Nuclear Program - YouTube






So all this talk about secularism in Iran is totally useless. The majority of people in Iran have spoken, and they have spoken clearly: They do not want a secular state, they want a religious state, although many people indeed want reforms within the religious state.

 

[Esfand]

Foreign people talking about this & that about Iran but Iranian people don't give a single sh!!!t about them ...

Of course, but a non-negligible percentage of the people agree with the general notion of this thread, namely that the micromanagement and interfering of the IR in peoples ordinary lives is counterproductive. I see that you liked Homajun's comment, so I take it that you agree?


@Homajon Do you trust that the average Iranian, when asked about what he/she thinks about the government, will answer 100% honestly? I'm not saying that the result is necessarily wrong, but that I doubt the sincerity of the answers.

 

[Homajon]

@Homajon Do you trust that the average Iranian, when asked about what he/she thinks about the government, will answer 100% honestly? I'm not saying that the result is necessarily wrong, but that I doubt the sincerity of the answers.

I think you have not read the articles and not watched the video, otherwise you would not have asked this, because they also talk about wether these polls are trustworthy or not.

 

[atatwolf]

Iran as a whole: 0%

If South-Azerbaijan get's independence and joins north-Azerbaijan: 100%

Maybe if that happens, the remaining of Iran will be decentralized and also influenced by Turks and secularism.

Otherwise I don't see the chance big.

 

[Ahmad]

Well, i feel religion should be separated from politics and affairs of ur nation.

I am personally a very strong supporter of secularism, i consider it an important step in the right direction, but secularism on its own doesnt solve anything, effective management, wise decision, better vision from the people on top, tackling corruption and injustice etc, side by side with secularism will make a great model for success. Without the above mentioned points, any form of gov will miserably fail.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I am personally a very strong supporter of secularism, i consider it an important step in the right direction, but secularism on its own doesnt solve anything, effective management, wise decision, better vision from the people on top, tackling corruption and injustice etc, side by side with secularism will make a great model for success. Without the above mentioned points, any form of gov will miserably fail.

The problem is , Afghan people, i believe, still don have the maturity to accept secularism. Yesterday, women's safety bill was not passed in Afghan Parliament.
And secularism have to make a balance between religionism and tradition. Sadly secular Muslim countries like Tunisia, egypt and even Turkey are facing a rising Islamism problem. So in caseof afghanistan, it needs, carefull deliberation, such that it shouldnt make Taliban powerfull again.

 

[Homajon]

And I have forgotten: These polls were not taken at the same time, they are from a couple of years, and they were taken from different leading institutes of the US, and they all show nearly the same results.

So it's clear, that these polls indeed reflect Iranian public opinion!

 

[Sam1980]

Iran as a whole: 0%

If South-Azerbaijan get's independence and joins north-Azerbaijan: 100%

Maybe if that happens, the remaining of Iran will be decentralized and also influenced by Turks and secularism.

Otherwise I don't see the chance big.

Would you like it if we come to the Turkish section and **** with you? Your country is more unstable than Iran yet you are talking about Balkanization of Iran? Dude... FFS in 40 years conflict with PKK you failed to contain them, great losses were inflicted upon you, and here you come trolling every day!

Do you know how long it took for Iran to surpass these terrorists in beginning of the revolution? 2 days! And you couldn't do that in 40 years and had to give in to their demands! So before coming here trolling, know your history, and know ours and most importantly know that Azeris are not Turks.

"Skeletons from the most recent graves also contained DNA sequences similar to those in people from present-day Turkey. This supports other studies indicating that Turkic tribes originated at least in part in Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period."

Ancient DNA Tells Tales from the Grave

 

[Ahmad]

The problem is , Afghan people, i believe, still don have the maturity to accept secularism. Yesterday, women's safety bill was not passed in Afghan Parliament.
And secularism have to make a balance between religionism and tradition. Sadly secular Muslim countries like Tunisia, egypt and even Turkey are facing a rising Islamism problem. So in caseof afghanistan, it needs, carefull deliberation, such that it shouldnt make Taliban powerfull again.

Prospects of a secular gov in Afghanistan for the near future, many decades or maybe centuries is a hopeless dream, the last 4 decades and its developments have brought some bad changes in the country and its people. As per Iran, I think it is a different matter, the masses might be ready to have secular gov.

 

[Esfand]

Iran as a whole: 0%

If South-Azerbaijan get's independence and joins north-Azerbaijan: 100%

Maybe if that happens, the remaining of Iran will be decentralized and also influenced by Turks and secularism.

Otherwise I don't see the chance big.

if you have nothing to contribute with other than usual bs, gtfo

 

[stuka-j87]

Iran as a whole: 0%

If South-Azerbaijan get's independence and joins north-Azerbaijan: 100%

Maybe if that happens, the remaining of Iran will be decentralized and also influenced by Turks and secularism.

Otherwise I don't see the chance big.

Azerbaijan as a whole: 0%

If North-TALESH get's independence and joins Iran: 100%

Maybe if that happens, the remaining of Azerbaijan will be decentralized and also influenced by Persian .

Otherwise I don't see the chance big.


Atajackal this is a friendly advise : Go and F...k yourself somewhere else ......

 

[TurAr]

Would you like it if we come to the Turkish section and **** with you? Your country is more unstable than Iran yet you are talking about Balkanization of Iran? Dude... FFS in 40 years conflict with PKK you failed to contain them, great losses were inflicted upon you, and here you come trolling every day!

Do you know how long it took for Iran to surpass these terrorists in beginning of the revolution? 2 days! And you couldn't do that in 40 years and had to give in to their demands! So before coming here trolling, know your history, and know ours and most importantly know that Azeris are not Turks.

"Skeletons from the most recent graves also contained DNA sequences similar to those in people from present-day Turkey. This supports other studies indicating that Turkic tribes originated at least in part in Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period."

Ancient DNA Tells Tales from the Grave

Congratulations for stepping up to the plate and getting offended by atatwolf the retard. Next time, instead of attacking Turks like a mad dog over what he wrote, simply ignore him.

Normally i wouldn't have answered these BS but WTF are you talking about? Had to give in to their demands? Please enlighten us about the compromises that, according to you, Turkey has given to PKK...

This 30 -not 40- years of conflict is about to come to an end, then PKK will be your problem and i assure you, you haven't seen anything yet. As i explained before, killing 150 PKK militant - we've killed 30.000 of them - is not enough to surpass them as you call it. I'm not even going to talk about the dozens of killed Iranian soldiers including a general, and the videos showing the dead bodies of Iranian soldiers at the hands of terrorists, during that process.

You are already fvcked up, if Turkey sort its problem with PKK, oh boy, imagine what is going to happen Iran... Then we'll see how long that propaganda bubble is going to stand.

 

[BronzePlaque]

Would you like it if we come to the Turkish section and **** with you? Your country is more unstable than Iran yet you are talking about Balkanization of Iran? Dude... FFS in 40 years conflict with PKK you failed to contain them, great losses were inflicted upon you, and here you come trolling every day!

Do you know how long it took for Iran to surpass these terrorists in beginning of the revolution? 2 days! And you couldn't do that in 40 years and had to give in to their demands! So before coming here trolling, know your history, and know ours and most importantly know that Azeris are not Turks.

"Skeletons from the most recent graves also contained DNA sequences similar to those in people from present-day Turkey. This supports other studies indicating that Turkic tribes originated at least in part in Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period."

Ancient DNA Tells Tales from the Grave

Offended by @atatwolf`s post?? If thats the case, you are as retard as him bro...Sorry no offence

 

[MertKaan]

So before coming here trolling, know your history, and know ours and most importantly know that Azeris are not Turks.

in your dreams