What is the maximum amount of JF-17s that can be built per year?

[SABRE]

From what I read only about 12-15 JF-17s can be produced a year but I could be wrong, but I think there should be at least 40-50 built a year and the number of aircraft that PAF has should at least match the IAF.
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At present average production is 25 units per year. But I think production for PAF has been either halted or minimized in favour Block III, which could mean this is a good time for PAC to produce jets for foreign customers like Myanmar & Nigeria.

 

[S.Y.A]

Just induct ~250 Block 3s. Retire all Blk2s and Blk1s.

 

[graphican]

There is only one restriction - $$$$$!!! If we had the money we could build a 1000 a year.

Realistically, we dont need to match India plane for plane. We just need to be able to hold them off. Priority now should be longer range multirole platforms, Block 3, Azm, and long range SAMs.

When do you believe PAF will upgrade its doctrine from defensive to offensive?

 

[BATMAN]

When do you believe PAF will upgrade its doctrine from defensive to offensive?

not until noble peace prize is awarded to Imran Khan and Indians know it.

 

[SABRE]

I do see the JF17 growing to 300 to 400. PAF fleet size has been restricted by the operating costs of legacy platforms. As those platforms are replaced, recurring maintenance costs can be put back into procurement of new aircraft.

Note, how many Mushrtaqs Pakistan has produced. Far more than the original plan. They will keep on making them to keep the production line open and the skills tro manufacture alive. It will take 10-15 years before Azm hits the road. That time period will be filled with JF17s.

At present PAF seems to be heading to operating two types of jets: F-16s and JF-17s with other legacy aircrafts being retired. Whether PAF would completely commit itself to Azam without acquiring any other frontline aircraft is yet to be seen. Whatever the case your assumption of 250-300 JF-17s actually sounds reasonable, assuming F-16 story has come to an end. If F-16 doors are reopened then maybe some older F-16s would be acquired from 3rd countries as we did with the Mirages. Bring their number to 150 if possible. F-16s were designed for retro-upgrade & long-life. They are able to serve beyond the year 2050. The Eurofighters also seem to come up now & then, but nothing substantial. With Block-III underdevelopment it's not clear if J-10C remains a good option.

When do you believe PAF will upgrade its doctrine from defensive to offensive?

In limited conflicts, PAF will remain defensive unless otherwise required. In a full-scale war, PAF would shift to offense based defence as they did in the previous wars.

 

[Philip the Arab]

The pic is JL-9H trainer, not JF-17/FC-1.

Blame google.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

There was a news from an insider on the Sister defence forum where he stated that the number of JF-17s would be increased to 300 and majority of these will be Block-3.

seems very logical.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

There was a news from an insider on the Sister defence forum where he stated that the number of JF-17s would be increased to 300 and majority of these will be Block-3.

I wonder how much of that is to replace old airframes through, especially the Block-Is. By 2030, the earliest Block-Is will be around 20 years of age, and I guess the PAF will ask itself whether a d-level overhaul is worth it, or to just supplant the old ones with new ones.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

Fifth gen aircraft are very, very hard to make. The J-20 and Su-57 have reported RCS that are similar to the Typhoon which is about 0.5-1m2 while the F-22 is 0.0002 or about the size of a metal marble on radars. If they do go for one they should go with some European power like BAE or Airbus that actually knows how to make stealth aircraft or wait for 6th gen fighters.

waiting is not an option now. Things will heat up as soon as Indians think that they have an edge.

 

[maximuswarrior]

There is only one restriction - $$$$$!!! If we had the money we could build a 1000 a year.

Realistically, we dont need to match India plane for plane. We just need to be able to hold them off. Priority now should be longer range multirole platforms, Block 3, Azm, and long range SAMs.

We have to strike a balance between cost and quantity and that can only be achieved by finding the sweet spot. I agree that we won’t be competing on a 1:1 basis with India. That doesn’t make sense from a cost perspective. However, Pakistan has found a very reliable strategy in credible minimum deterrence policy. This policy can also be applied for other assets where focus is set on achieving the best balance between quantity vs quality vs cost. JF-17 is actually a very good example of that. We can churn out the required numbers without compromising on the quality aspect and keeping the cost factor within reason. The fighter keeps evolving as requirements change.

Just induct ~250 Block 3s. Retire all Blk2s and Blk1s.

In the long run this should definitely be the goal in my opinion. I wouldn’t be surprised if PAF went for this option. This approach should address the qualitative portion.

 

[HAIDER]

Company ki mashhor ho gai ha .... now sale will increase . Bangladesh will be next customer .

 

[Imran Khan]

we are not in hurry why should we ? there is point we should built them slow . as oldest jf-17 is some 12 years old now and newest is built last month . so upon replacing them we will have long time to replace then batch by batch .sqn after sqn . if they are built all same 5 years then we have to replace them also same time .

 

[ARMalik]

I wonder how much of that is to replace old airframes through, especially the Block-Is. By 2030, the earliest Block-Is will be around 20 years of age, and I guess the PAF will ask itself whether a d-level overhaul is worth it, or to just supplant the old ones with new ones.

That is a very good point -- overhaul 20 year old airframes or just replace them with new ones. It would be a very interesting decision from PAF when the time comes.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

From what I read only about 12-15 JF-17s can be produced a year but I could be wrong, but I think there should be at least 40-50 built a year and the number of aircraft that PAF has should at least match the IAF.
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PAC can make 26 per year or two per month. China chengdu complex can make a bit more

 

[aziqbal]

17 units were built in peak years, production rates for Block I and II

Block I
07-101 to 07-105 thats 5 units
08-106 to 08-108 that's 3 units
09-109 to 09-112 that's 4 units
10-113 to 10-128 that's 16 units
11-129 to 11-136 that's 8 units
12-137 to 12-142 that's 6 units
13-143 to 13-150 that's 8 units

Block II
2014 there was a pause
15-201 to 15-216 that's 16 units
16-217 to 16-234 that's 17 units
17-234 to 17-250 that's 17 units to complete 50 x Block II
18-251 to 18-262 thats 12 units

Total 112