what is the best jet fighter in the world

[UK_CRAZY_PATHAN]

F22 will piss all over all other jets

 

[Akasa]

Look what your scientist say about your own plane. read the article and compare with Su 35 Capabilities. It is not even 1/4th.

Chinese Media Takes Aim at J-15 Fighter | Defense News | defensenews.com

When did news reporters become scientists? The argument is actually directed against the ship, not the aircraft, whose upgrades are very similar to that of the SU-35. If you are so keen at taking opinion as fact, perhaps it might interest you to know that the designers of the J16 has compared it to the Russian plane.

 

[gambit]

What suggests that the F-15 is any more flexible to upgrades than is the MiG-29, which has spurred many upgrades with new and advanced subsystems?

Really...Pleeeeease...

Constant Peg

For more than a decade, until just before the November 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall, a secret Air Force aggressor unit flew Soviet MiGs in more than 15,000 sorties against US Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps pilots.

U.S. Buys Moldovan Aircraft to Prevent Acquisition by Iran

THE UNITED STATES purchased 21 MiG 29 fighter aircraft from Moldova during October,...

In late October, U.S. crews partially dismantled the fighters and transported them aboard C 17 cargo jets to Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, where the fighters will be reassembled, analyzed and used for training purposes. The MiG 29Cs are the first ever obtained by the United States and U.S. officials expect these models will provide additional insights into the capabilities of the MiG 29 class, which remains an important element in the active air forces of many former Eastern bloc nations and their client states.

What do you think ?

The US have ALWAYS have access, at one time or another during the entire Cold War, to Soviet/Russian fighters.

List of Cold War pilot defections - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the MIG-29, we found out the fighter could not be 'hot turned' as fast as either the F-15 or F-16 can. Or even 'hot pit', for that matter...

http://www.afcent.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123292821

..."hot pitting," means the fighters can land, refuel, load weapons and quickly take off again should they have to provide the air superiority that Eagle drivers do best.

Forget load weapons. Just simple refuel while engines running. We knew from even before the Soviet Union collapse that the MIG-29 cannot be refueled in less than 30 min under combat stress conditions, while either the F-15 or F-16 can be done in less than 15 min. The MIG's external drop tanks must be refueled separately while the American fighters does it automatically thru the wings' internal feeds and I have explained on this forum how the system worked before.

A lot of people thinks that if the MIGs were designed to be maintained by inadequately technically trained conscripts under field conditions, something like the myth that vacuum tubes were used because they would be protection against EMP, those aircrafts must be easy to modified. It is actually the opposite. Ease of field servicing does not equate to ease of modifications. Ease of field servicing means components can be quickly accessed, whether that component is a flight control computer or a fueling port. The MIG-29 is less accessible than the even my first jet, the F-111, let alone my second jet, the smaller F-16. Line-Replaceable-Units (LRU) are supported by electrical and cooling connections, for example. If those connections are easily accessible, hence easily modified, ill trained 'technicians' can damage them under routine maintenance. If YOU know that your products will be supported by the unwilling and sometimes vodka fueled before they report for duty, why would you want in-depth sub-systems to be easily accessible ?

That's because you have entirely misinterpreted my "criticism"; my argument was not directed at the technical merits of the F-15 or its capabilities vis-a-vis the MiG-29 but rather the notion that combat records can be the sole yardstick by which a plane's fighting ability is gauged. One cannot measure one dependent factor regarding an aircraft or any other object while other factors are altered.

Of course we can. No one said the 'only', but the understanding here is that combat records are the best over other factors.

Can we compare apples to oranges ? Absolutely we can. Both provide vitamin C and fiber. It is only their superficial differences that people focused on. But deep down, both provide the same essential nutrition, perhaps in different degrees. Do you see where am leading to ?

While it is true that it is the pilot who is the true killer, he cannot kill without the right tool, and not only must the tool be proper, it should also be versatile to some degrees. The more narrowly designed the tool, the more limiting its arena. For the F-104, it is a high speed tool, therefore its arena, or its specialty, is of high speed interception. The inevitable outcome is that the more versatile and capable the fighter, the more capable the pilot will be at killing. That does not mean anyone can become an ace in an F-16, but the corollary is that even Top Gun's best graduate will die if he is put in a Korean War vintage fighter.

Like it or not, the F-15's 100-0 combat record is not confined to BVR nor is it from the assumption by every F-15 pilot that the opponent pilot is of inferior technical and training quality than himself. No pilot is that foolish and lives. Every F-15 pilot of each of those 100 kills approached the fight with the assumption that he is going fight someone as equal as himself, he is going to take any advantage he can, and fortunately enough, the F-15 was just the right tool for each of those 100 victories.

 

[vsdave2302]

When did news reporters become scientists? The argument is actually directed against the ship, not the aircraft, whose upgrades are very similar to that of the SU-35. If you are so keen at taking opinion as fact, perhaps it might interest you to know that the designers of the J16 has compared it to the Russian plane.

You are unable to read and understand the content of article. Useless to argue with you.

 

[antonius123]

Look what your scientist say about your own plane. read the article and compare with Su 35 Capabilities. It is not even 1/4th.

Chinese Media Takes Aim at J-15 Fighter | Defense News | defensenews.com

LOL. You make claim just like fanboy.

J-16 is not J-15.

J-16 will be equipped with Next Gen AESA, and WS-10G with thrust than S-117.

So far I know SU-35 Irbis is not AESA.

 

[danger007]

LOL. You make claim just like fanboy.

J-16 is not J-15.

J-16 will be equipped with Next Gen AESA, and WS-10G with thrust than S-117.

So far I know SU-35 Irbis is not AESA.

actually you are way ahead of fanboy... the way chinese claims about superiority if pretty laughable. ..

 

[antonius123]

You are unable to read and understand the content of article. Useless to argue with you.

LOL. Then explain the content that you use as the base of your claim!

What we need is evidence, not article. Your article wont back your claim if you dont understand its point.

actually you are way ahead of fanboy... the way chinese claims about superiority if pretty laughable. ..

LOL. I give you clear reason in what way J-16 should be better than SU35. While you dont give any, just empty claim.

SU35 Irbis is not AESA.
Sukhoi Su-35 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How come you claim it will be much better than Next Gen AESA?

Russia radar technology nowadays is not as good as china's. China has much more experience in AESA than Russia. Thats the fact!

 

[dray]

This thread is still on!! Time to deliver the final verdict.

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Thread closed.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Thread closed.

Congrats for becoming self imposed moderator.

 

[Koovie]

I would say the since F-15 has never been shot down in air to air combat it is probably the best jet fighter in the world.

On the other hand the F15s mostly had to encounter crap air forces (bad pilots, bad command, bad infrastructure etc etc) flying non upgraded Soviet fighters

This thread is still on!! Time to deliver the final verdict.

Thread closed.

Just LOL

F 22 and PAKFA. FAGFA will outclass both.

Grippen NG and LCA MK2 will be good fightres of their own class.

LCA MK II does not exist, so does the J 16, putting planes into this list which have not flown is simply stupid.

 

[gambit]

On the other hand the F15s mostly had to encounter crap air forces (bad pilots, bad command, bad infrastructure etc etc) flying non upgraded Soviet fighters

This is soooooooooooooooooooo wrong...

If a standard American F-15 pilot go up against an F-16 Aggressor pilot, would you still call the Aggressor a 'bad pilot'? Remember, there are only two rules: no live weapons and altitude limit.

As I pointed out to our Chinese member, no pilot, no matter what he is flying, is going to go up against his opponent with the attitude that victory is a given. Air combat is essentially mano-a-mano and the time to be surprised by an adept knife fighter is when you get a missile up your tailpipes.

 

[antonius123]

LCA MK II does not exist, so does the J 16, putting planes into this list which have not flown is simply stupid.

Hello

J-16 is in production now.

 

[Koovie]

Hello

J-16 is in production now.

Sorry my fault, I thought it was still a prototype, but nevertheless, its way too soon to include this plane in such a list

 

[Penguin]

That point being...?

Never mind, I mistook your comment for one of the other posters

U.S. Buys Moldovan Aircraft to Prevent Acquisition by Iran

What do you think ?

The US have ALWAYS have access, at one time or another during the entire Cold War, to Soviet/Russian fighters.

The Moldovan buy is october 1997. But the Mig-29 became had already become part of the NATO line up before that, as part of the (West) German Luftwaffe.

"The East German JG3 took delivery of its first MiG-29 in 1988, and by 4 October 1990 had 24 on strength, equipping two squadrons. A follow-on batch were on order, but were never delivered. With the re-unification JG3 became Evaluation Wing 29 on 1 April 1991. On 25 July 1991 the decision was taken to keep the aircraft and integrate them into the NATO air defence structure. JG73 was activated in June 1993, and the MiG-29s assumed a National (Day Only) QRA(l) commitment over the former East Germany. The MiG-29s moved to Laage in December 1993 and on 1 February 1994 the unit gained a NATO QRA(l) commitment. The two aircraft on QRA were assigned to NATO, while the rest were assigned to national tasking. All will be NATO assigned when the F-4s move to Laage to complete the wing."

Luftwaffe MiG-29 experience - positives and negatives

 

[antonius123]

Sorry my fault, I thought it was still a prototype, but nevertheless, its way too soon to include this plane in such a list

So is F-35