What is the Best fighter jet for Pakistan Navy Aviation?

[Myth_buster_1]

Given a choice... I would rather have my air force with a dedicated naval MRCA squadron the Rafale of course which gives us a technical advantage over IN.... Rafale M packs superior naval warfare systems comparative to Mig-29K Super Hornet or the Naval MKI.
With the induction of another Chinese platform wont give us the punch that we need. And in conjunction with FC-20 "western version" and AEW will be a very potent force!

 

[All-Green]

Given a choice... I would rather have my air force with a dedicated naval MRCA squadron the Rafale of course which gives us a technical advantage over IN.... Rafale M packs superior naval warfare systems comparative to Mig-29K Super Hornet or the Naval MKI.
With the induction of another Chinese platform wont give us the punch that we need. And in conjunction with FC-20 "western version" and AEW will be a very potent force!

Rafael is 100 million a piece!
That is too much.
The numbers we can purchase at this price limits any prospect of tot...
with j-11b we may have such a chance and the chinese are quite flexible to cater the need of paf.

I see the richest nation on earth and their massive spending in research and development and their brain power...
When i look at the phenomenal pace at which they have advanced in aircraft design and production i cannot help but think that they can make remarkable improvements to the su-27 airframe which is a very potent platform.
Their claims regarding j-11b may not be far off the mark.

Best thing would be if china also helps us purchase rafaels for study purposes...just kidding
...or maybe not...

 

[wangrong]

 

[SBD-3]

we can wait for J-10 C as well it will be much better as we will need minimal infrastructure rather than new one for J-11B or JH-7A and increasing the numbers we will also be able to induct J-10 with ToT as well

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Rafael is 100 million a piece!
That is too much.

Thats a good deal considering the fact that at this cost it comes with TOT and not to forget the closet to 5th generation technology it carries. J-11B is merely a minor upgrades over soviet su-27 systems.

 

[batmannow]

Thats a good deal considering the fact that at this cost it comes with TOT and not to forget the closet to 5th generation technology it carries. J-11B is merely a minor upgrades over soviet su-27 systems.

Dear friend!

off-topic,but it , seems tht, you have been or ALREADY gettin, "RAFAELEIONIZED" ,its out of question!
just think, REAL!

 

[SBD-3]

Thats a good deal considering the fact that at this cost it comes with TOT and not to forget the closet to 5th generation technology it carries.

would you think buying one or two sqd will get us ToT? hah frenchies are not that idiots they have spent a lot and we will have to share the RD cost as well if we will get them with ToT. BTW when rafaels were offered they were not with ToT, I would rather prefer J-10C (or Super-10) and Grippen NG if we decide to go west

J-11B is merely a minor upgrades over soviet su-27 systems.

New build Shenyang J-11B Flanker B fighter. The missile under the wing is a Chinese clone of the Rafael Python 3 heatseeking missile. The J-11B aircraft are typically painted in different camouflage to the J-11A, with a medium blue grey upper surface, light grey lower surface, black radome, while the half ellipse grey area on the nose is overpainted with uniform camouflage (Chinese internet images).

Background

The controversial J-11B is an unauthorised derivative of the Sukhoi J-11A/Su-27SK, built by Shenyang in China. The aircraft has been the subject of an ongoing dispute between Beijing and Moscow which has caused the suspension of production of the second batch on indigenously manufactured legally licenced J-11A/Su-27SK.

The J-11B is not an exact clone of the Su-27SK, despite the commonly held view this is so. The airframe and engines can be considered to be 'cloned' but the systems are mostly unique to this variant.

Known differences include:

1. A Chinese IRST set located in the centreline position as with the OLS-27 in early Su-27S.
2. A planar array multimode radar which resembles the Phazotron Zhuk-27 series. It includes an IFF interrogator array.
3. An Onboard Oxygen Generator System (OBOGS). Only the most recent Russian variants have an OBOGS.
4. A unique glass cockpit design, with an asymmetric layout quite different from the Su-30MKK/MK2 and Su-27SMK.
5. An optical MAWS system claimed to operate in the UV band.
6. Dielectric panels on the stabilators not seen on any Russian variant.

The differences between the J-11B, Su-27SK and Su-27SMK are sufficiently great that this must be considered a unique offshoot of the Flanker family of fighters, not a subtype of the baseline Su-27SK/J-11A.
Shenyang J-11B Sino-Flanker

 

[jupiter2007]

Demo-Crazy is not working for Pakistan and it may not working until Pakistan educating the masses so they can make the right person run as the PM & President of Pakistan. Corrupted leaders like BB, Nawaz, Zardari, Bilawar (in training to become corrupted leader in Future), stole and will continue to steal billions of dollars of Money from Pakistan which can be used for thousand of project to promote the economy.
More Projects means more Jobs and more jobs mean more money and better economy, more cash in hand to spend.!

 

[eastwatch]

Demo-Crazy is not working for Pakistan and it may not working until Pakistan educating the masses so they can make the right person run as the PM & President of Pakistan. Corrupted leaders like BB, Nawaz, Zardari, Bilawar (in training to become corrupted leader in Future), stole and will continue to steal billions of dollars of Money from Pakistan which can be used for thousand of project to promote the economy.
More Projects means more Jobs and more jobs mean more money and better economy, more cash in hand to spend.!

India has got rid of its Maharajas and Bangladesh has got rid of its Zaminders when it was east Pakistan. But, Pakistan has yet to do away with its Vaderres and Tribal Chiefs. To build a democratic society, Pakistan has to build its institutions first. A nation-wide movement is needed to get rid of this medieval system.

These knights and lords are running the affairs of Pakistan since 1947. They are elected as the Parliament Member, their sons join the officer ranks of the military and their daughters marry the high ranking govt and military officials. So, together they are ruling Pakistan. Unless you get rid of them, they will keep on un-making a democracy faster than you build.

Sorry, this thread is supposed to be of the best fighter planes.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Dear friend!

off-topic,but it , seems tht, you have been or ALREADY gettin, "RAFAELEIONIZED" ,its out of question!
just think, REAL!

Before me you have already turned into a Su-27ized!

 

[Myth_buster_1]

would you think buying one or two sqd will get us ToT? hah frenchies are not that idiots they have spent a lot and we will have to share the RD cost as well if we will get them with ToT. BTW when rafaels were offered they were not with ToT, I would rather prefer J-10C (or Super-10) and Grippen NG if we decide to go west

Rafale with or without TOT is still a much much technically better option then Chinese MRCA export variant just like ERIEYE without TOT is better then ZDK-03. France is in desperate need for Rafale customers, Lybia has decided to buy 12 Rafales, Brazil will buy 36 with TOT and option for more. Sweden has already given us clear red signal for any offensive weapons for pakistan let alone a new upgrade. J-10C super-10 is not meant for export and china is keen to use it domestically with secrecy so the possibility for PAF getting J-10C before 2025 is very very slim. Right now only J-10B is a export variant opened for any Chinese friendly customers like Venezuela, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc.

 

[batmannow]

Before me you have already turned into a Su-27ized!

THANKS dear!
because, i think it is gettable!
REAFELE , i guss , no chance, in next 8 years?

 

[PakShaheen79]

It is Rafale just like French Marines are using.. It has range and punch to take one A2A and A2S targets in single mission. No need to have a escort fighters along with it. If PN can have couple of squadrons I am certain that Threat of Mig-29K will be eliminated Plus it will provide opportunity to PN surface fleet to stay at safe distance from IN's surface fleet while taking on latter with advanced heavy Anti ship missiles and torpedoes.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

THANKS dear!
because, i think it is gettable!
REAFELE , i guss , no chance, in next 8 years?

In fact realistically speaking, J-11B is not get able at all.
why?
because
Russia's objection due to copyright issues.
And LMAO China did not even offer it for export and by the time they do offer it to us it will be simply too late IMO 2020.

 

[zulfiqar74]

Aircraft carrier is too huge for the purpose to defend its coastal water against pirates and smugglers. U want to buy a 2 billion worth of ship plus million dollars in accessories an maintenance just to stop a small 40 ft phut phut boat trying to smuggle think about it. You are better of investing on few Armadale class, Astral Partol boats APB 48 and/or APB47,Illiria class, 110-foot Island-class Patrol Boats a recon plane, surveillance equipment and couple of helicopters like seakings, Lynx for the Navy and coast guard. to fix the problem.

Aircraft carrier is a small moving city man. Aircraft carriers, amphebious ships are offensive combat units. Pakistan armforces doctroine is "Reposte" which is a limited "offensive-defence".

PN should aquire some jets, currently best option would be to induct mirage 5 as they get replaced JF17 in the PAF. They can later be replaced by J10. IF the Navy can afford and if we can get twin engine fighters then J11,or JH7 would be good due to its long range recon capabilities would like to say F18 or F14 but no more US weapons too much dramas.

Another option would also be mirage 4000, french has cancelled that program but it could be revived with joint venture but only with full technology transfer with the french. change of design and latest avonics we could have a new 4/5 generation fighter for the PN and PAF.
Someone mentioned bombers its again offensive. You rather invest on strategically placed underground hidden missiles then bombers.

PN should have a proper Naval aviation wing and should maintain between 60 to 80 aircrafts depending on their requirements. Ofcourse all aspect of training to all the airman and airwoman provided by PAF but they pass out as PN Aviators. Just like the SSGN gets innitial training in charat.
Would not mind seeing few C130 gunships in the inventory for naval and marine air support.Navy would need its own base airbase either base faisal could be transfered to the Navy or masroor could be extended.

PN should increase the numbers of the marines troops from 2000 to at least 20000 in next 4 years, providing them with better training and equipments. This would ease the load of the army in Khi. they should be trained on SSGN combat methods. PN marines desperately needs to change the uniform because of the stupid blue stripe on the camo, it gives a very soft touch. I think who ever approved it thought the sea is blue lets add a touch of blue to the uniform as well. The marines uniforms should have been something like the computerized design print of few dull sandy shades and light gray mix.