What is Pakistans Real Defense Budget

[maverick2009]

In the Indian Forum there seems confirmation that indian defense budget for 2009-2010 is $32 BILLION.

The split is approx $10 billion wages slaries pensions

£10 billion for current operational costs

£2 billion for research

£10billion capital outlay for existing/new WEAPONS orders.

IN OTHER WORDS its fairly transparent

Do we know What Pakistans spend is both terms of % to GDP and actually $$

Some have suggested 2.75% of GDP ($170 BILLION GDP) this wud mean $4.25 billion.

Others have said this figure excludes wages pensions and new weapons costs.

But then my question is how are these things funded and wat is the REALLY PAKISTAN DEFENSE BUDGET wen all is transparent.

" even i can see it cant be just $4.5 billion" or 2.75% OF GDP

 

[qsaark]

In the Indian Forum there seems confirmation that indian defense budget for 2009-2010 is $32 BILLION.

The split is approx $10 billion wages slaries pensions

£10 billion for current operational costs

£2 billion for research

£10billion capital outlay for existing/new WEAPONS orders.

IN OTHER WORDS its fairly transparent

Do we know What Pakistans spend is both terms of % to GDP and actually $$

Some have suggested 2.75% of GDP ($170 BILLION GDP) this wud mean $4.25 billion.

Others have said this figure excludes wages pensions and new weapons costs.

But then my question is how are these things funded and wat is the REALLY PAKISTAN DEFENSE BUDGET wen all is transparent.

" even i can see it cant be just $4.5 billion" or 2.75% OF GDP

A very valid question but I am afraid, we will never get an answer to it. There are all kinds of excuses for why the Defense budget is not disclosed fully. The real reason behind this is however, we have never supported a culture of accountability neither in civilian nor in military sector.

 

[maverick2009]

I am guessing here and for give me if i,m way off the mark bt i believe Pakistan military wages & pensions alone must be around $3-4 billion per year.

This added to the offical budget of $4.5 billion gives us $7.5 billion at least.

On Top we can assume seperate funding for new weapons like JF17 or Awacs or Naval ships.

Pakistan could in real terms be spending up to $10 billion per year or close
6% of its offical GDP

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I am guessing here and for give me if i,m way off the mark bt i believe Pakistan military wages & pensions alone must be around $3-4 billion per year.

This added to the offical budget of $4.5 billion gives us $7.5 billion at least.

On Top we can assume seperate funding for new weapons like JF17 or Awacs or Naval ships.

Pakistan could in real terms be spending up to $10 billion per year or close
6% of its offical GDP

Pensions are around 40 billion rupees, which are not included in the defense budget, just like Indian pensions are apparently not included.

You can't just makeup numbers out of thin air and say X billion added here, Y billion added there and voila! Pakistan's defence budget is 6% of GDP.

You could at least attempt to go through the Pakistani budget and see what the allocations for military pensions are, instead of inventing numbers.

Funding for weapons systems is typically on long term credit. As mentioned by the PAF Chief recently, the JF-17 production was delayed from taking off in 2007 because of lack of finances, and only recently with a 600 million+ credit line from CATIC was the production able to go forward.

Were billions being thrown around everywhere and hidden, the PAF would have started production back in 2007, woudl not have cut its order of Block 52 F-16's in half, the PN would have already signed the deal for the U-214's and the next generation frigates etc.

If you have an argument or point to make, do so backing it up with facts, not fairytales spun in your own head.

Bare facts.

#1 - Rs 7,007 crore returned unspent from the capital outlay for defence in 2008-09. Rs 16,285 crore was overspent in the revenue outlay in 2008-09. This revenue expense doesn’t include defence pensions.

#2 - Defence pensions overshot the outlay in 2008-09 by 4,670 crore. And they are not even considered as part of the defence budget.

#3 - Indian army’s revenue budget outlay for 2009-10 is Rs 58,648 crore, which is greater than the proposed capital outlay for all the three services for 2009-10 at Rs 54,824 crore.

#4 - Total proposed outlay for salaries and pensions for defence services in 2009-10 is Rs 65,601 crore. Rs 43,811 crore is slotted for pay and allowances while Rs 21,790 crore is earmarked for defence pensions, again outside of the defence budget.

Pragmatic Euphony Defenestrate the defence budget

In its interim budget for 2009-10 the Union Government has allocated Rs. 1,41,703 crores for the country’ Defence Services that include three Armed Forces (i.e., the Army, the Navy and the Air Force), and other Departments, primarily Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Defence Ordnance Factories. This is apart from Rs. 24,960 crores which have been earmarked to defray civil expenditures of Ministry of Defence (MoD) and its affiliated organisations, including, the Coast Guard, and for defence pension (Rs. 21,790 crores). In other words, the total resource available for the MoD and its various establishments is Rs. 1,66,663 crores. By convention, only budgetary provisions for the Defence Services constitute India’s defence budget.
::IDSA Strategic Comments:: India’s Defence Budget 2009-10: An Assessment by Laxman Kumar Behera ::

You are coming very close to a ban with your trolling - either back up your arguments with facts, or stop spreading disinformation.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

" even i can see it cant be just $4.5 billion" or 2.75% OF GDP

Please go through the Pakistani budget and post the relevant numbers.

 

[Cheetah786]

In the Indian Forum there seems confirmation that indian defense budget for 2009-2010 is $32 BILLION.

The split is approx $10 billion wages slaries pensions

£10 billion for current operational costs

£2 billion for research

£10billion capital outlay for existing/new WEAPONS orders.

IN OTHER WORDS its fairly transparent


Do we know What Pakistans spend is both terms of % to GDP and actually $$

Some have suggested 2.75% of GDP ($170 BILLION GDP) this wud mean $4.25 billion.

Others have said this figure excludes wages pensions and new weapons costs.

But then my question is how are these things funded and wat is the REALLY PAKISTAN DEFENSE BUDGET wen all is transparent.

" even i can see it cant be just $4.5 billion" or 2.75% OF GDP

you say india spends $32 billion but you figures add up to 46billion and some change.

 

[Gabriel]

you say india spends $32 billion but you figures add up to 46billion and some change.

I'm sure he meant dollars not british pounds.

 

[MZUBAIR]

World Total defence budget....1,470,000,000,000 (2008)
United States.........................713,100,000,000 (2009)
People's Republic of China.......70,308,600,000 (2009)
France....................................67,640,900,000 (2008-2009)
India ......................................32,700,000,000 (2009-2010)
Israel..................................... 13,300,000,000 (2009)
Pakistan................................. 7,800,000,000 (2008)

 

[MZUBAIR]

Govt set to raise defence budget by 16 percent 2009-2010


* Armed forces will be stretched to acquire new assets with falling rupee value, high inflation

By Sajid Chaudhry

ISLAMABAD: The federal government is all set to raise the allocation for defence services by around 16.27 percent in the forthcoming budget for 2009-10, official sources told Daily Times on Saturday.

The government had allocated Rs 295 billion for defence in the 2008-09 budget, followed by a supplementary grant of Rs 10 billion during the year.

According to the sources, the Ministry of Finance had been requested to allocate Rs 351 billion for defence in the forthcoming budget. However, keeping in view the overall economic situation of the country, the ministry approved Rs 343 billion for defence for the year, the officials said.

The sources said that between Rs 1.7 billion and 2 billion would be added in the overall defence allocations for meeting the expenses of the civil administration in the Defence Ministry.

The armed forces would be required to manage the expenditures of their engagements in Swat as well as other areas within the proposed allocation of Rs 343 billion, despite the fact that Pakistani rupee has lost its value by over 30 percent due to depreciation against the US dollar in the April-July period and inflation that is currently estimated at 22.35 percent, the official sources said.

Stretched: It would be difficult for the armed forces to acquire new weapons in the upcoming year, as imports would become costlier due to the devaluation of the rupee.

The country has already entered into a $7.6 billion International Monetary Fund standby arrangement and the Finance Ministry has been trying to keep each of its expense heads within manageable limits while preparing the upcoming budget, the sources added.

 

[MZUBAIR]

Pakistan................................. 7,800,000,000 (2008)

16.7 % might take it to 9,200,000,000 (2009 - 2010)

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Pakistan defence budget shld reach uptp $ 14 to 15 Billion.........to accomodate Pakistan defence sitituation and for regional stability