What is Loyalty to Pakistan?

[HAIDER]

but constitution tou lawyers aur judges tak ko yaad nahi aam insaan ko kesay pata constitution mei kai hie?

bhashan dana ma kia haa

 

[SLY]

Loyalty to Pakistan is sacrificing personal interests for the well-being of Pakistan.

What is Loyalty to Pakistan?​

Investment in DHA

Here are some of the most loyalist Pakistanis so you don't get the wrong idea but if you follow their example you can become a Prime Minister of the country someday

 

[imadul]

An unflinching resolve & commitment to safeguard & serve the interests of East India Company.

Polarization is deep and establishment is main culprit as it is them which have pitched political parties against each other, DIVIDE and RULE.
Can IK start a political dialog?
It is very difficult now as both PMLN and PPP fighting for survival and interests of Establishment, pmln and ppp have converged at least in the short term.

 

[imadul]

Q: What is Loyalty to Pakistan?​

A: Don't question or say anything against COAS, otherwise, the traitor will label you as a traitor.

That said, if Pakistan has to progress, then the power of COAS needs to be disintegrated.

I had couple of threads that CoAS authority needs to be rationalized.
Army needs reforms. On short term basis Chief should come from PAF or preferably PN. They don't command troops on ground and less likely to use that power for political designs. But all of that need much thinking. Without this we could never have stability.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Need to get broad leavel understanding What is Loyalty to Pakistan?

1. Criticizing Estaishment's Political Role and Manouvering?
2. Siding with Indian narrative about Kashmir?
3. Siding with Indian narrative regarding Pakistan Army?

Criticizing Establishment is not disloyalty with Pakistan but Siding with Indian narrative is.

Establishment ingressed into Pakistan's politics and structure of governance and became a very powerful player even overcoming Judiciary, Legislative, and Executive Branches. It just can't be denied.
Just go over General Ayub Martial Law, becoming president under Basic Democracy Ordinance, illegitimate winning against Mother of Nation, Then Yahya LFO, Zia Martial Law, Referendum, PCO, Musharraf Martial Law and PCO.

After Musharraf Establishment adopted hybrid rule and behind the scene politics which was viciously criticised by pmln, ppp, and others and now by PTI after RCO.

Here it seems administrators are mixing criticism of the Establishment with disloyalty with Pakistan. Shutting threads that criticise Establishment is not a favor to Establishment but a disservice to Pakistan. If criticism to Establishment is based upon logic, established facts and ground realities, it should be welcomed as it gives opportunity to learn and hopefully change the direction.
We need to put pressure on Establishment to do away with their role in politics as it has caused deep polarization, weakening of political system and the country, as the journey in circles just never ends.

Shutting threads criticizing Estaishment's Political Role and banning members will only develop a culture of sycophancy and burying head in sand.

After 72 years of independence we are one of the worst countries in the world and no amount of Shutting voices and bans can change that.
Let's raise our voices for betterment of Pakistan and agree to disagree.

It's simple...when u put ur self interest above the country...u r disloyal to ur country. It seems 99% of the ppl who get in some position of power... immediately start finding ways as to how they can fill their pockets quickly before this power is taken away...
...basically slicing open the goose that lays the golden egg. This damages the economy, institutions, justice system, and weakens the country. An indebted country where a large majority of ppl are struggling to survive...where the economy has taken a nose dive...can't even adequately spend on its defense needs. This especially hurts(the country) even more when those in power try to remain in power by abusing it...and the checks and balances go out the window when the different institutions(supposed to hold each other in check) band together to profit together...
...in that case the only thing remaining is a slow death of the country(an eventual break up) or a bloody revolution by the ppl...both of which again weaken the country and the enemy wins without having lifted a finger.

So it doesn't matter whether one criticizes the establishment on their own...or takes the Indian narrative(those are just words/opinions of an average person with no real consequence). The real damage is done by Pakistanis themselves(in positions of power)...
...who needs an enemy when we have countrymen like those chors and daakus who will sell the country in a heartbeat.

 

[pak-marine]

What is Loyalty to Pakistan?​

Definition varies and Depends upon which domicile one hold

 

[One_Nation]

What is Loyalty to Pakistan?​

Investment in DHA

And follow its laws.

 

[ziaulislam]

Need to get broad leavel understanding What is Loyalty to Pakistan?

1. Criticizing Estaishment's Political Role and Manouvering?
2. Siding with Indian narrative about Kashmir?
3. Siding with Indian narrative regarding Pakistan Army?

Criticizing Establishment is not disloyalty with Pakistan but Siding with Indian narrative is.

Establishment ingressed into Pakistan's politics and structure of governance and became a very powerful player even overcoming Judiciary, Legislative, and Executive Branches. It just can't be denied.
Just go over General Ayub Martial Law, becoming president under Basic Democracy Ordinance, illegitimate winning against Mother of Nation, Then Yahya LFO, Zia Martial Law, Referendum, PCO, Musharraf Martial Law and PCO.

After Musharraf Establishment adopted hybrid rule and behind the scene politics which was viciously criticised by pmln, ppp, and others and now by PTI after RCO.

Here it seems administrators are mixing criticism of the Establishment with disloyalty with Pakistan. Shutting threads that criticise Establishment is not a favor to Establishment but a disservice to Pakistan. If criticism to Establishment is based upon logic, established facts and ground realities, it should be welcomed as it gives opportunity to learn and hopefully change the direction.
We need to put pressure on Establishment to do away with their role in politics as it has caused deep polarization, weakening of political system and the country, as the journey in circles just never ends.

Shutting threads criticizing Estaishment's Political Role and banning members will only develop a culture of sycophancy and burying head in sand.

After 72 years of independence we are one of the worst countries in the world and no amount of Shutting voices and bans can change that.
Let's raise our voices for betterment of Pakistan and agree to disagree.

Doing corruption is loyality with pakistan
Do as much and where ever you can

Just get out of this mess. Genuine advice

Already out..was wondering should i jumpback in..i guess not..not in any professional manner atleast

 

[imadul]

It's simple...when u put ur self interest above the country...u r disloyal to ur country. It seems 99% of the ppl who get in some position of power... immediately start finding ways as to how they can fill their pockets quickly before this power is taken away...
...basically slicing open the goose that lays the golden egg. This damages the economy, institutions, justice system, and weakens the country. An indebted country where a large majority of ppl are struggling to survive...where the economy has taken a nose dive...can't even adequately spend on its defense needs. This especially hurts(the country) even more when those in power try to remain in power by abusing it...and the checks and balances go out the window when the different institutions(supposed to hold each other in check) band together to profit together...
...in that case the only thing remaining is a slow death of the country(an eventual break up) or a bloody revolution by the ppl...both of which again weaken the country and the enemy wins without having lifted a finger.

So it doesn't matter whether one criticizes the establishment on their own...or takes the Indian narrative(those are just words/opinions of an average person with no real consequence). The real damage is done by Pakistanis themselves(in positions of power)...
...who needs an enemy when we have countrymen like those chors and daakus who will sell the country in a heartbeat.

All true.
Question is how to resolve and progress.!
Perpetual problem? Establishment pitched political parties against each other. One forum member rightly pointed out electable are used to throw governments. 20 Electables installed in PTI which were used as IED to down PTI government.
Every governments is thrown away in 3 years.
Power of Establishment has to be broken.
They let nawaz and zarfari to do corruption, then down them on corruption. Their way of controlling the country.

 

[imadul]

Ok, so does the law allow person on bail to become PM? When law is applied only to the weak, a reset is required.

Feudal driven democracy and government system and top of that controlled. democracy, Judiciary, legislation all is controlled.
This is given rise to provincial, regional, ethnic, religious rivalries.
One man came and he is also outside in typical 3 years.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Very hard times are approaching. Loyalty to one's country and state are the keys to the survival. The Pak folks are taking an early exam....

 

[AlKardai]

Loyalty to Pakistan is symbolised in making a housing empire in the UK

 

[El Sidd]

Why ordinary follow law when powerful ignore it nonchalantly?

Ok, so does the law allow person on bail to become PM? When law is applied only to the weak, a reset is required.

but constitution tou lawyers aur judges tak ko yaad nahi aam insaan ko kesay pata constitution mei kai hie?

Rhetorical comments.

You guys should empower the weak by letting them do the lawmaking. It is hallmark of success of any nation where the weakest link gets to do the lawmaking.

Jab badmash tabqay ko vote doge thinking they can fight for you to phir esa hi hona ha. Jidhar nazar dalo to yehi nazar ata ha ke sabse badmash ko vote dia jata ha so he can fight the system phir kehte ho accountability nahi ha.

 

[Ssan]

Loyalty to Pakistan is above to loyalty to a state or govt. It is loyalty to an idea of an Islamic republic with high morals. Loyalty to Pakistan will mean disloyalty to the state in as so much as state is wrong. Disloyalty to govt when govt is corrupt.

This is not to say that we start a civil war and bloodshed. But I don’t need to think that following chain of command blindly is such a great thing. A man can choose the harder way out and not do as he is commanded when what he is commanded is blatantly wrong.

And if so, happily accept going and sitting in jail as necessary.

 

[AZ1]

Rhetorical comments.

You guys should empower the weak by letting them do the lawmaking. It is hallmark of success of any nation where the weakest link gets to do the lawmaking.

Jab badmash tabqay ko vote doge thinking they can fight for you to phir esa hi hona ha. Jidhar nazar dalo to yehi nazar ata ha ke sabse badmash ko vote dia jata ha so he can fight the system phir kehte ho accountability nahi ha.

wish pti could be badmash party phir sahi mokabla hoga so far pti is not badmash party and following rules and regulation and constitution etc. Otherwise they could easily make false cases in punjab