What is Indian culture in the modern world?

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Good gried, how ignorant are you? There are Rajputs who converted to Islam you know, it's nothing to do with this "superiority" nonsense, it's just a fact. I'll get you one right now:

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

I guess you're not a Rajput anymore since you're Muslim as per this clueless Bharti

Nice tag brother. These fakes can’t hold a candle to the real Rajput clans of Punjab who were fully Islamicized during Mughal rule, completed during Aurangzeb’s reign.

In fact, half of central Punjab is Rajput, especially around Lahore and it’s sister cities/villages.

These short dark fat chubby or malnourished people claim to be Rajput makes me laugh.

Rajputs are known by three main clans and we identify each other by our tribal ancestry.

I guess you're not a Rajput anymore since you're Muslim as per this clueless Bharti

Interesting to know that Rajputs, even before Islam, had their own faith which revolved around the worship of fire, sun, and moon. We were not Hindus, but we followed an ancestral Irani (Aryan) faith. Similar to Greeks and Babylonians, bulls and horses were idolized as symbols of strength and power.

We always heavily ate meat and had no qualms about infighting among other Rajput clans (even until death and extermination.) Religion did not figure much into our way of thinking, except to promote warfare and military prowess in the plains of Punjab.

Later on, many converted to Islam or they first changed to Sikhism and then on to Islam. Islamicization of the Rajput clans was bloody and slow, but once it was completed, Rajputs became the elite of the Mughal empire, intermarrying with Mughal sons/daughters.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Nice tag brother. These fakes can’t hold a candle to the real Rajput clans of Punjab who were fully Islamicized during Mughal rule, completed during Aurangzeb’s reign.

In fact, half of central Punjab is Rajput, especially around Lahore and it’s sister cities/villages.

These short dark fat chubby or malnourished people claim to be Rajput makes me laugh.

Rajputs are known by three main clans and we identify each other by our tribal ancestry.

Ikr. These guys have no clue that the majority of ex-Hindu tribes in Pakistan are descended from the ruling dynasties of India. It makes me chuckle. They don't even know that the ruling class of India in pre-Islamic times were primarily descended from eastern Iranic migrants, whose phenotype is best preserved among their descendants living in Pakistan.

For example, here are some Pakistani Rajputs:

Interesting to know that Rajputs, even before Islam, had their own faith which revolved around the worship of fire, sun, and moon. We were not Hindus, but we followed an ancestral Irani (Aryan) faith. Similar to Greeks and Babylonians, bulls and horses were idolized as symbols of strength and power.

Hinduism itself is a very broad ideology, calling oneself Hindu doesn't really tell you too much about their personal beliefs. The Hinduism of militarised groups like the Rajputs was essentially a warrior religion.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Hinduism itself is a very broad ideology, calling oneself Hindu doesn't really tell you too much about their personal beliefs. The Hinduism of militarised groups like the Rajputs was essentially a warrior religion.

It was closer to Babylonian and ancient Iranian religion than it was to Hindu Ganges-based faith.

There was also the heavy influence of Greeks and the Eurasian steppes which Hinduism lacks.

Indus-based religion was very different to Hinduism. This is why Pakistan readily accepted Buddhism, Sikhism, and eventually Islam, while Ganges-based civilizations resisted heavily (besides Bengal.)

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

It was closer to Babylonian and ancient Iranian religion than it was to Hindu Ganges-based faith.

Depends, some Rajput clans went knee-deep into Hinduism whereas others followed some more distinct types that you're referring to. But none of them were THAT unique.

Indus-based religion was very different to Hinduism.

Yes, but it was still loosely similar.

This is why Pakistan readily accepted Buddhism, Sikhism, and eventually Islam, while Ganges-based civilizations resisted heavily (besides Bengal.)

The Indus became Islamised more than Bharat because:

1. It's right on the doorstep of all the Muslim conquerors
2. It's a much smaller region
3. Numerous Muslims migrated to the Indus, whereas Bharat never received quite the same inflow of migrants

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The point is there are no Muslim Rajputs.

My existence is proof otherwise, you little dark Hindu fundie.

there are no Muslim Brahmins

Allama Iqbal was a Muslim Brahmin from Kashmir.

Not really, does a Muslim Chauhan only marry another Chauhan? A Chauhan or any Hindu who converts to Islam is a Mleccha he will be stripped off his ranks (i.e Clans). There are a underlying meaning to these clans without which the claiming of such is seen pathetic at best.

Hindu BS does not apply to Muslims.

A Muslim Rajput who married a Muslim Rajput is still a Muslim Rajput.

Rajput is a clan/tribe, not a religion.

A Muslim Rajput, like my uncle, who marries a Pukhtoon is still a Muslim Rajput and his kids go by patrilineal descent which would make them Rajput also.

We never had your contrived restrictions in Punjab and neighboring regions.

Depends, some Rajput clans went knee-deep into Hinduism whereas others followed some more distinct types that you're referring to. But none of them were THAT unique.



Yes, but it was still loosely similar.

We can disagree on this point, brother.

Rajput faith was more pagan Eurasian than Subcontinental.

I don’t believe Hinduism existed as a religion before Muslims arrived on the subcontinent and before Kabir and others, who unified Hindu ideology to resist Islamicization.

Let’s not get off topic.

 

[Chhatrapati]

My existence is proof otherwise, you little dark Hindu fundie.

Proof of what? You having identity issues?

Allama Iqbal was a Muslim Brahmin from Kashmir.

He was a Muslim. Like I said, Muslim caste system at play here. Brahmin/Brahman is one who attained Brahmanjan. A muslim claiming he is a Muslim "Hindu caste" is simply a joker with identity issues. And Iqbal never claimed he is a Muslim Brahmin.

Hindu BS does not apply to Muslims.

A Muslim Rajput who married a Muslim Rajput is still a Muslim Rajput.

Rajput is a clan/tribe, not a religion.

A Muslim Rajput, like my uncle, who marries a Pukhtoon is still a Muslim Rajput and his kids go by patrilineal descent which would make them Rajput also.

We never had your contrived restrictions in Punjab and neighboring regions.

A Rajput who converted to Islam is simply a Muslim. Rajputs used to come under the Jisya during the Mughal rule, and the only way they get to stay out of this draconian taxation was to convert to Islam. Many of them converted and lost their Rajput status, that's why early Rajputs never kept the name of their clan, but later they, probably having identity issues, adopted clan names. Like Bhuttos, who's paternal line didn't have Bhutto name with them but around 19th century they started adopting Rajput clan names.

Rajput is a Kshatriya caste otoh they are inferior to most kshatriya clans, have their own customs. I don't know how a Muslim can be Rajput if he is not a Kshatriya.

Interesting to know that Rajputs, even before Islam, had their own faith which revolved around the worship of fire, sun, and moon.

Happens when you pretend to know your ancestoral practices, Suryavanshis, Chandravanshis and Agnivanshi. Their gods were vedic gods. Not Buddhist or Jains.
These wannabe Rajputs.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

You're just upset that I showed the inherent logical inconsistency of your argument.



Your job to find out, not mine to explain.



Oh please, we only waged wars of expansion across the region because throughout history, you've refused to be amicable with us. Muslims first came to India as peaceful traders, and what happened? Pirates starting kidnapping Muslims from ships, and Raja Dahir refused to do anything so the Khilafah chewed him and spat him out. The Ghaznavids establish themselves and what does Raja Jayapala do? He attacks their capital in Ghazni and then the Ghaznavids finish his crippled empire. Muhammad Ghauri tried to form a treaty with Raja Chauhan and what did he do? Reject it, and as a result he was decapitated after the final battle at Tarain.

And do you know what happened afterwards? Sindh became a beacon of Islam, with people like Abu Raja As Sindhi emerging from it and benefitting the Ummah greatly. Jayapala's descendants accepted Islam, and were incorporated into the Ghaznavid ruling elite. And the Chauhans, well, you've seen how many of them we have in Pakistan. Even after humiliating you, we've usually been courteous.

You're in no position to complain.



62 is a much smaller number than those who died in all the incidents I listed.



You should take your own advice.

Muslims made the mistake of not destroying all temples when they had the chance. You don't see hindus doing fassad in Afghanistan or Pakistan.
Lessons to be learned.

we only waged wars of expansion across the region because throughout history,

Actually the motive was to spread the light of Islam. The rulers who accepted Islam were not hurt. Like in Malaysia. Those who did not accept faced His wrath. Like in India.

It was closer to Babylonian and ancient Iranian religion than it was to Hindu Ganges-based faith.

There was also the heavy influence of Greeks and the Eurasian steppes which Hinduism lacks.

Indus-based religion was very different to Hinduism. This is why Pakistan readily accepted Buddhism, Sikhism, and eventually Islam, while Ganges-based civilizations resisted heavily (besides Bengal.)

Nonsense. Pakistan never accepted Sikhism.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Muslims made the mistake of not destroying all temples when they had the chance. You don't see hindus doing fassad in Afghanistan or Pakistan.
Lessons to be learned.


Actually the motive was to spread the light of Islam. The rulers who accepted Islam were not hurt. Like in Malaysia. Those who did not accept faced His wrath. Like in India.


Nonsense. Pakistan never accepted Sikhism.

Just curious, which Muslim caste are you? Are you a Muslim Vyshya? No offence but some of this guys claiming caste system, more stringent than average Hindus, makes me wonder if this practice exist in this side too.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Just curious, which Muslim caste are you? Are you a Muslim Vyshya? No offence but some of this guys claiming caste system, more stringent than average Hindus, makes me wonder if this practice exist in this side too.

Unlike Pakistani Muslim Rajputs (lol) we don't have any caste.
We are just Muslims.

But it exists in Muslims of Kashmir. They don't marry us.

 

[Chhatrapati]

But it exists in Muslims of Kashmir.

Yep, I know. That's why there are Muslim Wanis, Pandits etc...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Just curious, which Muslim caste are you?

Muslims don’t have a caste, we have tribal and family identities.

You just contradicted yourself.

@PakSarzameen5823 This guy is another Hindutva pseudo-historian.

Maybe he believes internet was invented thousands of years ago and early Hindus went to outer space. Lol.

Unlike Pakistani Muslim Rajputs (lol) we don't have any caste.
We are just Muslims.

Rajput is a tribal identity. We have a lineage in our sharajat e nisab.

As a Pakistani, I don’t need the rubber stamp of any Indian, whether Hindutva pig or One of their lackeys.

But it exists in Muslims of Kashmir. They don't marry us.

Yes, those evil kashmiris... lol. Spoken like a true lackey.

Nonsense. Pakistan never accepted Sikhism.

Some families in Punjab converted from Non-Muslim pagan to Sikh. Eventually went to Islam this way during Aurangzeb.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Muslims don’t have a caste

Says the guy who just said he's a Muslim Rajput and Allama Iqbal is a Muslim Brahmin.

This guy is another Hindutva pseudo-historian.

I know my history very well. You're the one who claimed Rajputs are simply a tribe and there are Muslim Rajputs.But history suggest there are none, maybe you can try to contradict what I said in the previous posts, rather than calling me names. Or you can simply chicken out which is the best thing to do at the moment.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Muslims don’t have a caste, we have tribal and family identities.

You just contradicted yourself.

@PakSarzameen5823 This guy is another Hindutva pseudo-historian.

Maybe he believes internet was invented thousands of years ago and early Hindus went to outer space. Lol.



Rajput is a tribal identity. We have a lineage in our sharajat e nisab.

As a Pakistani, I don’t need the rubber stamp of any Indian, whether Hindutva pig or One of their lackeys.



Yes, those evil kashmiris... lol. Spoken like a true lackey.



Some families in Punjab converted from Non-Muslim pagan to Sikh. Eventually went to Islam this way during Aurangzeb.

Yes. Hindus became Sikhs. I don't think Muslims did. That was my point.

Also Kashmiri Muslims not marrying us is a fact.barring exceptions.

Eventually went to Islam this way during Aurangzeb

Unfortunately the Sikhs were not fully defeated.

 

[Placemat]

Yes. Hindus became Sikhs. I don't think Muslims did. That was my point.

Also Kashmiri Muslims not marrying us is a fact.barring exceptions.

Most pasmanda Muslims are also converted recently from Hinduism. Casteism thru other means is a part of islam too like in Christianity. You would not be able to marry arab girls as they consider tho be superior. Of they would welcome other girls to be one of their wives.

Yes. Hindus became Sikhs. I don't think Muslims did. That was my point.

Also Kashmiri Muslims not marrying us is a fact.barring exceptions.


Unfortunately the Sikhs were not fully defeated.

Muslims were under sikh rule on the end before the British took over.

Muslims don’t have a caste, we have tribal and family identities.

You just contradicted yourself.

@PakSarzameen5823 This guy is another Hindutva pseudo-historian.

Maybe he believes internet was invented thousands of years ago and early Hindus went to outer space. Lol.



Rajput is a tribal identity. We have a lineage in our sharajat e nisab.

As a Pakistani, I don’t need the rubber stamp of any Indian, whether Hindutva pig or One of their lackeys.



Yes, those evil kashmiris... lol. Spoken like a true lackey.



Some families in Punjab converted from Non-Muslim pagan to Sikh. Eventually went to Islam this way during Aurangzeb.

Muslims only claim not to have a caste but they do in other ways.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Actually the motive was to spread the light of Islam.

That was part of it, as was the loot.