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There are signs for those who have knowledge and wisdom. Enough Said.

The same reason I explain in brief about terrorism issues in Pakistan. If freedom fighters will become terrorists and then you will assist someone to kill them then some responses are expected from them as well if they are inside your house only.
 
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The same reason I explain in brief about terrorism issues in Pakistan. If freedom fighters will become terrorist and if you assist someone to kill them then some responses are expected from them as well if they are inside your house only.
I cant explain you everything. Whatevery your theory is keep it with you. We are not bound to buy your arguments and vice versa. What has to happen, will happen one day. Wait and see.
 
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I cant explain you everything. Whatevery your theory is keep it with you. We are not bound to buy your arguments and vice versa. What has to happen, will happen one day. Wait and see.

Sure, good day... bt just to add - History can not be change by someone. It has written in bold letters..TC
 
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Sure, good day... bt just to add - History can not be change by someone. It has written in bold letters..TC
Exactly, but history also have different versions and who will decide which version of history is authentic? so Future events will tell which version of history was authentic. Good to go.
 
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Well Done! What US gave military aid, was not significant it is always in millions not billions.
First you claimed no aid at all. Now you say it is in millions and not billions.
Is doing “U turns” your national sport?
I asked you to provide any thing which said Pakistan got any F-16 free but first you post an article which didnt say anything about free F-16s,
US gave military and non military financial aid to Pakistan. Pakistan used that money to buy military equipment. You seem to be stuck with F-16. The moot point is that Pakistan was mighty happy and pleased with US till it got this money. As US realised Pakistan’s double speak, US gave a solid kick. US became a bad guy now.
You all are trying to see US-India relations in the same light. You presume that India too is a vassal of US the way Pakistan was.

Indo-US equation is completely different from Pak-US equation.
i am stopping to argue with you as you are alian to world of logics.
When countered with logic, illogical people start saying things like this.
Don’t get into a discussion or learn to accept facts which are contrary to your perception. If it hurts you then stay away.
 
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First you claimed no aid at all. Now you say it is in millions and not billions.
Is doing “U turns” your national sport?
US gave military and non military financial aid to Pakistan. Pakistan uses that money to buy military equipment. You seem to be stuck with F-16. The moot point is that Pakistan was mighty happy and pleased with US till it got this money. As US realised Pakistan’s double speak, US gave a solid kick. US became a bad guy now.
You all are trying to see US-India relations in the same light. You presume that India too is a vassal of US the way Pakistan was.

Indo-US equation is completely different from Pak-US equation.

When countered with logic, illogical people start saying things like this.
Don’t get into a discussion or learn to accept facts which are contrary to your perception. If it hurts you then stay away.

Exactly you are an illogical person because you dont know what is CSF is and how Pakistan buy weapons and other military equipment from that CSF. That is why i said arguing with you a lost cause.

You can call it or in articles military aid and whatever suits you. Thank you.

And what military aid what i was talking about you already put an article which highlighted little bit of that military equipment like radios, communication equipment, protection gears and etc. training also, after sale services and so on.

I am tiring of you people because you dont want to understand and i am not free at all to teach you all here.

You can put many articles as reference written by many authors and they will use this word frequently "Military Aid" but reality dosent change.

Even the 8 F-16s which we didnt get along with AH-1Z because of this issue, that we want US to deduct the amount of these equipment from CSF pending on them. But US wants us to pay from our own pocket which we dont want to due to past experience in 90s as US is an unreliable supplier. US also halted CSF which is long due on them. So we tried to use this technique so that we can recover CSF by buying weapons instead of using our own funds in a risky business.

In past 90s, when even PAF paid millions of dollars for new F-16s from our own pocket, they blocked the delivery of F-16s due to pressler amendments and didnt even return our money for years. So if you indians want to live in delusional world that its because of lack of money that Pakistan cant buy equipment from Pakistan then no one can convince you. But reality is otherwise, we know that US is not a reliable partner and supplier so we never wanted to waste our money. That is why we always prefer for paying for any US equipment from CSF which is already due on them. If that will works then we can recover our share with respect to weapons purchase.

If you still dont understand then dont put any other excuse and i am expecting that you will never understand out of your hatered towards Pakistan and to show down side of country.

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If you still dont understand then dont put any other excuse and i am expecting that you will never understand out of your hatered towards Pakistan and to show down side of country.
Since you seem to have studied the topic in-depth, I accept your explanation regarding CSF.

The discussion started when India was called a vassal state of US.

Please don’t compare Pakistan to India vis a vis US. Unlike Pakistan, India has ensured adequate diversification of its military equipment.
 
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Since you seem to have studied the topic in-depth, I accept your explanation regarding CSF.

The discussion started when India was called a vassal state of US.

Please don’t compare Pakistan to India vis a vis US. Unlike Pakistan, India has ensured adequate diversification of its military equipment.
And you are mixing the 60s era with today's Pakistan. We are not dependent on US at all now. It was in 60s when 80% equipment was US in pakistan armed inventory. But after sacnctions during the 1965 war, Pakistan decide not to rely on US. That is why after 1965 Pakistan diversify its military equipment and focus on indigenousization. Now only 75 American F-16s, and some Navy Equipment belongs to US origin, Rest is non US equipment. We are free from US blackmailing now. Yes we got benefits on an adequate level when ever conditions suits us, Otherwise we are not relying on US.
And let me clear one and most important point which most indians focus on. It is not the money which stops Pakistan to buy weapons from western suppliers, rather there are so many other important factors which played an important role that Pakistan rarely turned to West for any military aquisitaion.
 
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Please look at the history from 1979-2001, you hosted Taliban terrorists (for you freedom fighters) against the soviet during the Afghan war. Once USA used you against the Soviet and left you in 1992 with the Taliban terrorist.

after 9/11, The same US threaten you to send stone age then freedom fighters became Terrorists for you and you had supported to US against the Taliban, Now if you host snakes (Talibani Terrorists) in your house and few snakes ( Family of Taliban) caused terrorists to attack then you need to look at your policies and were have done the mistakes. But, it is easy for Pakistan to blame everything on India compared to accept their bulders.

This is a short history of blunders done by Pakistan and caused of terrorist attack in Pakistan. I am using the word "terrorists" unlike you - freedom fighters..it shows that we don't have any sympathy for terrorists who are doing the terrorist attacks in Pakistan.
U think by stating some history and side stepping what I asked...makes ur argument stronger?
U never answered where TTP is getting funding to continue it's operations against Pakistan for decades? Are all the militants that make up TTP retired millionaires? Bcuz any other normal person will need a job to support himself and his family...
If u r gonna stick with this retarded argument of a militant outfit being able to operate without funding(which only occurs in fantasies of Indian trolls)...then that logic applies both ways...
...using that reasoning...all terrorist attacks in India weren't funded by Pakistan...and those terrorists are all retired millionaires who can fund themselves.

If indeed a militant organization needs funding(as in how the real world operates)...then TTP, BLA and other such anti Pak organizations are funded by India bcuz no other country in the region is an enemy of Pakistan...nor would they gain anything from it.
No proof, after spent more than Rs 20 crore on lawyers to prove that Jadhav was an Indian spy. Still nothing proof at Internation court. And, India spent only 1 rupee...
U pulled these 20 crore and 1 rupee figures straight from ur behind. There were pictures released of his fake identification. How many Indians do u know that travel to Pakistan from Iran...ZERO.
Why is it that Pakistan has only detained and jailed Jadhav? Plenty of other Indians travel to Pakistan...and they are not detained with espionage charges. Just a couple years ago one of my Pakistani friends(who went to college here in US) got married in Pakistan...and one of his Indian friends from his college days(in US) attended his wedding in Pakistan. Why was he not detained with espionage charges?

U can continue to believe that an ex Indian navy personnel...entering Pakistan through Iran...with false identity is "innocent"...but u will only be fooling urself.
Really?? please read the UN reports about minorities' status in Pakistan.

Yeah, the same reason minorities population not growth in Pakistan? Oohh wait, might growth but converted
Another stupid attempt at deflection...instead of answering why extremist parties like VHP, RSS, etc. exist in India...u mention the typical Indian WhatsApp university BS of minorities in Pakistan.

Here read ur own shitty indian news...even according to them...this dumb claim is not true.
www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/pakistan-bangladesh-non-muslim-population-citizenship-amendment-bill-bjp-1627678-2019-12-12
There are better sources available than that shitty source that do an even deeper analysis...but they are Pakistani sources...which u will just deny so I didn't even bother. There are even dedicated threads on debunking this retarded Indian claim on PDF...but I bet in a hurry to save ur dumb argument...u didn't bother to check and educate urself.

So about this Hindu/Muslim hate thing that u r blaming us for...let's get back to what u tried deflecting...why are there extremist political parties in India built on Hindu/Muslim hate?

My advice...stop consuming what ur shit media throws at u...and stop reading BS WhatsApp forwards. U are out of touch with reality and u sound no different than those blind retards in that video posted in the OP.
 
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U think by stating some history and side stepping what I asked...makes ur argument stronger?
U never answered where TTP is getting funding to continue it's operations against Pakistan for decades? Are all the militants that make up TTP retired millionaires? Bcuz any other normal person will need a job to support himself and his family...
If u r gonna stick with this retarded argument of a militant outfit being able to operate without funding(which only occurs in fantasies of Indian trolls)...then that logic applies both ways...
...using that reasoning...all terrorist attacks in India weren't funded by Pakistan...and those terrorists are all retired millionaires who can fund themselves.

If indeed a militant organization needs funding(as in how the real world operates)...then TTP, BLA and other such anti Pak organizations are funded by India bcuz no other country in the region is an enemy of Pakistan...nor would they gain anything from it.

U pulled these 20 crore and 1 rupee figures straight from ur behind. There were pictures released of his fake identification. How many Indians do u know that travel to Pakistan from Iran...ZERO.
Why is it that Pakistan has only detained and jailed Jadhav? Plenty of other Indians travel to Pakistan...and they are not detained with espionage charges. Just a couple years ago one of my Pakistani friends(who went to college here in US) got married in Pakistan...and one of his Indian friends from his college days(in US) attended his wedding in Pakistan. Why was he not detained with espionage charges?

U can continue to believe that an ex Indian navy personnel...entering Pakistan through Iran...with false identity is "innocent"...but u will only be fooling urself.

Another stupid attempt at deflection...instead of answering why extremist parties like VHP, RSS, etc. exist in India...u mention the typical Indian WhatsApp university BS of minorities in Pakistan.

Here read ur own shitty indian news...even according to them...this dumb claim is not true.
www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/pakistan-bangladesh-non-muslim-population-citizenship-amendment-bill-bjp-1627678-2019-12-12

So about this Hindu/Muslim hate thing that u r blaming us for...let's get back to what u tried deflecting...why are there extremist political parties in India built on Hindu/Muslim hate?
There are better sources available than that shitty source that do an even deeper analysis...but they are Pakistani sources...which u will just deny so I didn't even bother.

My advice...stop consuming what ur shit media throws at u...and stop reading BS WhatsApp forwards. U are out of touch with reality and u sound no different than those blind retards in that video posted in the OP.

Boss, just read about TTP - UN site.

Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP), also known as the Pakistan Taliban, is an alliance of formerly disparate militant groups that came together in 2007 following Pakistan military operations against Al-Qaida-related (QDe.004) militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. Formed under the leadership of Baitullah Mehsud, who has since died, TTP is rooted along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. Some estimates suggest that TTP has between 30,000 and 35,000 members.

Again, its roots in your history from 1979 -2001 by hosting terrorist Al-Qaida and Taliban. But, it is easy to blame on India for everything compared to accepting the mistakes.

:woot: - I like your below bold lines :partay:
all terrorist attacks in India weren't funded by Pakistan...and those terrorists are all retired millionaires who can fund themselves
 
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Boss, just read about TTP - UN site.

Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP), also known as the Pakistan Taliban, is an alliance of formerly disparate militant groups that came together in 2007 following Pakistan military operations against Al-Qaida-related (QDe.004) militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. Formed under the leadership of Baitullah Mehsud, who has since died, TTP is rooted along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. Some estimates suggest that TTP has between 30,000 and 35,000 members.

Again, its roots in your history from 1979 -1991 by hosting terrorist Al-Qaida and Taliban. But, it is easy to blame on India for everything compared to accepting the mistakes.
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Again u r not understanding...as per ur own post...who is funding these 30,000 to 35,000 member TTP since 2001? It is 2021 now...that is two decades. Are u suggesting that Pakistan is funding TTP to attack Pakistan...and then also spending money to deploy it's military to fight TTP? Do u know how retarded that sounds?

Obviously Pakistan WILL not fund a militant organization...that is fighting Pakistan itself. So who has funded TTP for two decades? It doesn't matter who they are...they can be Afghans, Pakistanis, Irani, or even martians...the point is someone is funding them. No other country would gain anything by funding an anti Pak militant organization...other than India.
 
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Again u r not understanding...as per ur own post...who is funding these 30,000 to 35,000 member TTP since 2001? It is 2021 now...that is two decades. Are u suggesting that Pakistan is funding TTP to attack Pakistan...and then also spending money to deploy it's military to fight TTP? Do u know how retarded that sounds?

Obviously Pakistan WILL not fund a militant organization...that is fighting Pakistan itself. So who has funded TTP for two decades? It doesn't matter who they are...they can be Afghans, Pakistanis, Irani, or even martians...the point is someone is funding them. No other country would gain anything by funding an anti Pak militant organization...other than India.

You could not be a good investigator! Sorry to say that-

As said by UN Website, Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP), also known as the Pakistan Taliban, is an alliance of formerly disparate militant groups that came together in 2007 following Pakistan military operations against Al-Qaida-related (QDe.004).

The same Terrorists were living in Pakistan from 1979, funded and arm supplied by the US with help from Pakistan. Once you took the U-turn when USA threaten you to send stone age then only these terrorists went against your army.

More about cause of the terrorists attack in Pakistan;

Blowback in Pakistan

As the Afghan Taliban’s insurgency took shape, a parallel Pakistani Taliban insurgency arose on the other side of the 1,500-mile-long border, stretching from the Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP, since renamed Khyber Pakhtunkhwa) through the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). Pakistani Taliban militants have focused on waging a violent campaign against the Pakistani state and all those they consider rivals. With ties to al-Qaeda and the sectarian terrorist group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, the TTP is implicated in the surge in violence against Pakistani Shias, whose beliefs it considers heretical.


Under U.S. pressure to rid the FATA of al-Qaeda, the Pakistani military conducted operations in the territory for the first time in July 2002. These incursions turned many militants against the state. So too have Pakistani security forces’ actions against residents suspected of aiding Pakistan’s Taliban. Their operations have entailed mass displacement, and international human rights groups and journalists have implicated Pakistani security forces in torture, extrajudicial killings, arbitrary detention, and forced disappearances. These abuses, for which the FATA’s frontier legal status offers little means of redress, has left tribal-area residents stuck between two forces seemingly indifferent to their rights.
Two particular incidents galvanized Pakistani Taliban factions to join forces against the state. In 2006, a CIA drone strike on a tribal-area madrassa reportedly killed eighty-three students. A year later, Pakistani special forces seized the Red Mosque in Islamabad, killing dozens of student vigilantes and militants who had occupied it. By late 2007, some thirty militant groups declared the formation of Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. Though nominally loyal to Mullah Omar, they have ignored his reported entreaties to de-escalate their fight with Pakistan.
For many years, Pakistan sought to contain the rebellion by negotiating truces with some militant groups while fighting others. The United States, among others, criticized these deals, saying they allowed Taliban factions to consolidate control. They also elevated the militants' status as interlocutors while undermining the political agents and tribal intermediaries who had long been central to the FATA’s governance, according to some regional analysts. Taliban assassination campaigns targeting tribal elders have further undermined governance there.



Metastasis in Pakistan
The Pakistani Taliban remain less constrained by a desire to build political legitimacy, but also more fractious than its Afghan counterpart, regional experts say. In Pakistan the Taliban has waged a lethal campaign against girls’ education and polio vaccination, accusing public-health teams of conspiring with the West to sterilize Muslims.
Pakistani ground offensives and the U.S. drone campaign, which took out successive TTP leaders Beithullah and Hakimullah Mehsud, have put the Pakistani Taliban under pressure. Under Hakimullah's successor, Mullah Fazlullah—former chief of the Swat Taliban—leadership squabbles have splintered the tribally diverse umbrella group.
In the summer of 2014, the Pakistani military launched a long-anticipated offensive on North Waziristan, long a hotbed for the Haqqani network and other militant groups. The United States escalated drone strikes in support of the Pakistani operations. Already under pressure, various factions left the TTP umbrella. Meanwhile, some foreign fighters have left the region to fight in Syria.


Everything between US, Afghanistan, Taliban, and Pakistan with their blunders. But till easy target is India to blame.
 
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Keep your high horse somewhere else. Accept what you did in Bangladesh.

We hate anyone who doesn’t let us live in peace. Pakistan has never allowed peace to prevail in this region. Form day one of its existence it has been engaged in acts of aggression against its neighbours. But you wouldn’t know. Since you have been fed a diet of propaganda by your establishment.

India wants peace. It wants to be left alone from the likes of your nation. If at all you would allow that to happen.
Now then little Indian.
Your infatuation with Pakistan and bringing Bangladesh into this thread is so transparent. WE separated from what’s today known as India.
WE didn’t want to be part of the hate and rampant rape issues in India - accept it. It’s obviously butthurting you but the truth is the truth. You are now living on a site that’s PAKISTANI - that in itself must hurt you. Let it sink in - PM me with your home address and il gladly send some burnol cream for your buttocks.
Your last part made me laugh. Your nation wants peace? Is that the reason why you have literally border disputes and hostility with almost ALL your neighbours?
Now stop posting vomit before you get this ID banned too. Who was you btw in your previous life? Indians do have a tendency of having several IDs.
 
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Indo-US equation is completely different from Pak-US equation.
Is it? When USA told India "stop buying Iranian oil" India followed the instruction like a good poodle. I had predicated this. In this very forum Indian members would say no such thing would happen.
 
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